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Crossover a NGC MS64*
mrcommem
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I really don't know what to do in this case. I have a Lafayette dollar (shown below) that I would like to use in my registry set. It is graded by NGC as MS64 *. It is only one of two Lafayettes with star designation. The pictures don't even do the coin justice as the colors are bright and vivid with nice satin lustre throughout. Does PCGS allow crossover at a higher grade or would I have to allow them to crossover at MS64? I wouldn't mind losing the star designation if the coin would cross to MS65, but I don't want it to cross at MS64. I look at it and have seen a lot of Lafayettes that are MS65 and I wonder how it ever happened. This coin does have a few dings but no hairlines or scratches. Do you think it will cross at 65?
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Edit to add: From PCGS website: "Crossover: Use the "Crossover" service for coins previously graded by another grading service. Submit the coins in the holder to PCGS. We will grade the coins and put them in a PCGS holder only if the PCGS grade meets or exceeds the other grading company's grade (unless specifically instructed differently by you). You cannot specify a higher minimum grade. If the PCGS grade is lower than the other grading company's grade, we will return the coin to you in the original holder.MS/PR 70 coins must have a minimum grade of 69 or lower. "
Mike
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Please send it to me and I will give it a home for "ugly" coins.
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P.S.S. I'd keep it right where it is in the * holder.
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would love to see more accurate pics of your coin to see what all that muckity muck really is
Case in point: 1901-P Half NGC 65 *
Now resides in a PCGS 64 Holder:
I'd leave your LaFayette Dollar in the NGC Star Holder - JMHO.
Nice commem BTW.
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But CAC stickers make perfect sense, right?
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In this case I think the obsession is with registry sets...not that there's anything wrong with that....Mike
The previous photo is a Heritage photo. No really true color and likeness. Here is a better picture of the coin. Any comments?
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Yes...looks to have toned Beautifully over the last 8 years...Congrats!
I agree with the original consensus that the coin is best left as an N64 star and would be unlikely to cross as a 65
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I would still recommend leaving it...Cheers, RickO
My best results for 'crossing' is to crack out, it is always a risk but there is a psychological bias I am sure when either TPG grades a coin in the others holder so they can't help but grade tougher. My last 3 crosses, one was a 1% for the grade coin, went the same grade, two were B coins, one went the same grade one downgraded. On a good day, I could have see two the same grade and one upgrade, and possibly if I had submitted raw, that may have happened as that is my experience crackin' out.
Edited to add: all were CAC before crossing in their holders.
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As I have said before, if you really want a crack at getting the same grade or higher in a crossover, you need to crack the coin out and submit it raw. As for the piece at the top of thread, Washington's cheeks as few to many marks to make it "a lock" for an MS-64. I think that MS-63 is more likely.
Here is my piece which is graded MS-62.
NGC bias runs deep here. No surprise in that....lol.
I think the coin is very solid for a 64 grade. Could even get a 64+ grade at either TPG if resubmitted raw today. And I would not rule out a 65 grade in the future (years?). There's no doubt worse coins reside in current MS65 holders. Forget the cross route. Like Bill Jones said, you have to crack it out if you want a chance at a PCGS 64 or 65. I'd leave it as an NGC MS64*. I assume this is CAC'd too right? Would not be surprised if the "right" submitter couldn't get this into a PCGS 65 holder someday. Your job would be to seek out that person and be prepared to give them a sizable commish for getting 'er done.
Do I think it would cross at MS65? Absolutely not....even if the coin were in an NGC MS65 holder. Crosses are hard enough on simple coins.
I'm with RoadRunner, coin looks like a 64+ anytime, but I still wouldn't crack it.
What's the pop in NGC * ?
The last bust half I crossed was an AU55 in an old NGC holder. It crossed to 58.
But that's a very rare occurrence. I agree that cracking gets better results, generally. Just be certain there's no chance for a BB.
Lance.
Just create a NGC set and you can use both NGC and PCGS coins. Problem solved.