Home› U.S. Coin Forum
Options

What should I tell the lady about her '16 D ?

TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
in U.S. Coin Forum
To get this graded or just leave it in the DANSCO ?


image
image



I went to a customer's house to measure her roof and while inside talking... coins came up. image imagine that.
She brought out a bunch of Dansco books full of coins. I asked her if I could take a photo and get the opinions of some coin experts.

``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5

Comments

  • ultradmpldollarsultradmpldollars Posts: 899 ✭
    It wouldn't hurt to send it to ANACS.
  • mashmash Posts: 207 ✭✭✭
    over to pcgs quicklyy
    Buying uncut sheets and 1914 stars! message me
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 9,066 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That looks highly suspicious (counterfeit), I'm afraid.
    Moonlight Mint
  • intocoinsintocoins Posts: 602 ✭
    Tell her you hope she didn't spend to much money on it. The 16-D is one of the most highly counterfeited coins. To me the mintmark D looks all wrong, Location and how the serif on the bottom is turned down.
  • Batman23Batman23 Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>That looks highly suspicious (counterfeit), I'm afraid. >>


    image
    The extra metal under the N and E of ONE and the M of DIME look odd. I do not know if it is the photo or what is going on with the top of the TES of STATES?

    You would not catch me taking that out of her sight. Let her submit it for authentication.
  • 500Bay500Bay Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You would not catch me taking that out of her sight. Let her submit it for authentication. >>



    Smart advice!
    Finem Respice
  • greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    Not even close to genuine. Mint mark not even close to being right IMO. Unfortunate.

    Greg Hansen, Melbourne, FL Click here for any current EBAY auctions Multiple "Circle of Trust" transactions over 14 years on forum

  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭
    do you suspect an added mint mark, or a counterfeit coin?
    LCoopie = Les
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,405 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I concur,looks fake.

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • PatchesPatches Posts: 1,700 ✭✭✭
    I vote it is counterfeit. It looks like an added "D" mintmark and dipped in silver...sloppy I might add. There is a lot of metal chunks left near the rim and it look like just to the 10 o'clock of the mintmark too. Here is a comparison with the placement of a genuine 1916-D mintmark:

    image
  • bronze6827bronze6827 Posts: 525 ✭✭✭
    Unless it's the photo, I'd say it's a cast fake.
  • dac076dac076 Posts: 817 ✭
    Fake, and a bad one, IMO.
  • greghansengreghansen Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭
    Good comparison photos by Patches. Thanks for that. For me, when I saw the upper left part of the mint mark encroaching on parts of the lowest leaf, I knew it was in the wrong spot and couldn't be genuine. After seeing the genuine images again from Patches, that is still my opinion.

    Edited to add. The orientation of the D is also wrong. On the genuine coin there is a slight lean to the right. On the subject coin the D is straight up or maybe just fractionally left leaning.

    Greg Hansen, Melbourne, FL Click here for any current EBAY auctions Multiple "Circle of Trust" transactions over 14 years on forum

  • GemineyeGemineye Posts: 5,374 ✭
    Counterfeit....?!?!?.....image......I just thought it was a crappy photo.....image
    ......Larry........image
  • ShamikaShamika Posts: 18,785 ✭✭✭✭
    The fields strongly suggest counterfeit.


    Buyer and seller of vintage coin boards!
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Did you take those pics with your Cell Phone image
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,709 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Fake, and a bad one, IMO. >>



    image

    TD
    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am just curious if you knew this woman before going to her house?
    Need a Barber Half with ANACS photo certificate. If you have one for sale please PM me. Current Ebay auctions
  • ILikeMercsILikeMercs Posts: 1,392 ✭
    here's a PCGS 16-D. If that's not a fake it's badly cleaned.

    image
    imageDo not taunt Happy Fun Ball image
  • LouisCampLouisCamp Posts: 468 ✭✭✭
    Last 16-D I had someone come in with was in a 2x2 holder. I removed the coin and it was a 1916 & another coin glued together. They had an attitude like I switched the coin to that. Luckily I didn't leave the room where they were.

    Lou
    lchobbyco
    ANA Life-Member
  • mommam17mommam17 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭
    Good luck giving the lady bad news. Sometimes you get people sreaming at you over something you don`t have anything to do with!! Hopefully she`ll be OK with it. My dealer friend said he hated to lose customers this way. They would take it out on him.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Inside the rim on the reverse, there appears to be some small blobs of extra metal. Hard to tell from the pics. May be a cast counterfeit rather than an added mintmark.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Cast counterfeit... too bad.... would hate to be the one delivering the news... good luck.. Cheers, RickO
  • millenniummillennium Posts: 3,305
    It screams fake........too bad.
    My Coin Find Videos
  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Better hope she wasn't trying to sell this to pay for the roof! image
    To Err Is Human.... To Collect Err's Is Just Too Much Darn Tootin Fun!
  • mike92694mike92694 Posts: 1,068
    It is difficult to conclude anything just by looking at the photos. This is almost like searching
    for your medical condition on the internet.

    For a nominal fee, one can get a professional opinion by a major grading service.
  • YaHaYaHa Posts: 4,220 ✭
    Will a vending machine take it? Try it first and then wait for the coke man to give it back if it works. If it works send it in to SEGS. 16/d what happen that year to be worth so much.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,814 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>what happen that year to be worth so much. >>



    Low mintage = key date in a popular series

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • coolestcoolest Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭
    Tell her she has a very ugly "D".
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image
    image

    The lady has a difficult time believing the coin is a fake since she got it from her brother, who's wife received it as part of the estate of her father... That man was a life long jeweler and coin dealer.

    I just told her that I printed the photos for comparison and that when she gets back in town, I'd be happy to show her these photos. image
    The middle photo is her coin. I just told her that sometimes even the experts get fooled but ... the coin should still be seen by the experts for "authentication".
    Thanks for sharing opinions, thoughts and photos.

    ``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5

  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,775 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Tell here its not genuine, and offer to submit to confirm, although I wouldnt waste the time!
  • cinman14cinman14 Posts: 2,489 ✭


    << <i>Better hope she wasn't trying to sell this to pay for the roof! image >>



    imageimage
  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,279 ✭✭✭✭✭
    from the photo's that is a cast counterfeit ... and of that I am 99.9% certain.

    dimples on the fasces, indents on the branches, more dimples, well, all over ...

    probably the counterfeiter used a 16p obverse and some other reverse, or a fake to start with


    “We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”

    Todd - BHNC #242
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,571 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Better hope she wasn't trying to sell this to pay for the roof! image >>



    imageimage >>


    She's not going to like the fact that her roof will cost half of what that $92,000.00 Mercedes in her driveway cost, and I suspect the coin photos may cause her to change contractors, now. You know how people hate the messenger once they get the message. image

    ``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5

  • cinman14cinman14 Posts: 2,489 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>Better hope she wasn't trying to sell this to pay for the roof! image >>



    imageimage >>


    She's not going to like the fact that her roof will cost half of what that $92,000.00 Mercedes in her driveway cost, and I suspect the coin photos may cause her to change contractors, now. You know how people hate the messenger once they get the message. image >>



    That better be the LasTime she needs her roof replaced....image

    Tell her AFTER the roof is complete her Merc was made in china. Unlike her roof.....image
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    image
    image

    Thanks for the plug, James... but in truth, her Danscos were full. There is more money in recycling... believe it !

    ``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5

  • JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Not even close to genuine. Mint mark not even close to being right IMO. Unfortunate. >>



    Listen to Greg.
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
  • NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 10,998 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>image
    image

    Thanks for the plug, James... but in truth, her Danscos were full. There is more money in recycling... believe it ! >>


    I would be suspicious of those Lincoln keys also.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,571 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Brothers, I am suspicious, that's why I snapped a few photos after I measured her roof. I wish I could shoot 'em like Goodman.

    ``https://ebay.us/m/KxolR5

  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,775 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I cant see the 09-s vdb, but the 22 plain is not the 22 no d die #2 (the money coin)
  • tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭




    .........even the "m" in dime looks wrong.image
    "government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Format
SpoilerCodeQuote
Heading 2Heading 1
Emoji
:):D:(;):/:o:s:p:'(:|B):#:*<3o:)>:)
Url
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file
Home • U.S. Coin ForumComment As ...