I'm not JUST a bullion collector. I have respectable Sac and President MS collections. Not only that but out of boredom I am coming to a collection in your neighborhood.
sorry to one up ya but i look at literally millions.........seriously i do
and a few million notes too.......so there...na na na na na...naaaaaaaa
i couldnt resist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you see im in the self serve carwash business and have about a 100 vaults....each holds 4,000 quarters ...man are those things heavy...that fact is i dont count them i weight em....everyday im at one location or another loading the changers and removing the bills...aka notes.... into shoe boxesy...........ou do not want to play me in liars poker....lol
i also have the largest salt water coin collection in the world.
..you see those katrina victims went back after the flood and got their water logged coins...and spend them at my carwashes........im keeping them for some unklnown reason
sorry again i couldnt funnin ya resist
monsterman
my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
sorry to one up ya but i look at literally millions.........seriously i do
and a few million notes too.......so there...na na na na na...naaaaaaaa
i couldnt resist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you see im in the self serve carwash business and have about a 100 vaults....each holds 4,000 quarters ...man are those things heavy...that fact is i dont count them i weight em....everyday im at one location or another loading the changers and removing the bills...aka notes.... into shoe boxesy...........ou do not want to play me in liars poker....lol
i also have the largest salt water coin collection in the world.
..you see those katrina victims went back after the flood and got their water logged coins...and spend them at my carwashes........im keeping them for some unklnown reason
sorry again i couldnt funnin ya resist
monsterman >>
I like your humor so bring it on. I actually have a real job so there is this grading/coin conflict that I have to overcome. 30-40K of coins is all I'm willing to take on. If you want to do more then my heart goes out to you. I did around 8K of coins last weekend and frankly, it sucked. 3 coins, f'ing 3 coins and PCGS will grade them 67, maybe. Crap from the Mint.
<< <i>I'm not JUST a bullion collector. I have respectable Sac and President MS collections. >>
OH PLEASE, smoeone find the character what gives out the post of the day/week/month/year
WHERE ARE YOU??????????
of course, always great when the mm has some fresh meat to gnaw on.... >>
WTF? Maybe after another beer or two I might be able to understand your post or better yet, ksteelheader can painfully explain it to me in the AM. Unless he is sleeping it off which in that case I'll catch you in the afternoon.
Just a suggestion.... might want to edit the original message to add the image. Once there are several replies I doubt most will want to search through the pages to page 6 to find an image. I started at page 1 and searched every page till I found it.
A wee bit annoying
I'll see your bunny with a pancake on his head and raise you a Siamese cat with a miniature pumpkin on his head.
You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
What it sounds like to me was that this was the best time to play grade games as the TPGs were just getting started and there was a lot of slop in the grade market. Sounds like most industries, and that's my point. Grading is tougher these days because some upstart like me is gonna call BS on your BS so cut the BS. I have access to more info on coins and grading at my fingertips then any 10 top experts have accumilated their entire distinquished careers, so chances are that if the 17S Buff sells for more that $12K then some crusty old fart with more money than brains has elected to throw their money away. It's a free country but don't look on me to bit past $12K.
The grading games were more minimal back then. And if anything, the ability to score was finding tightly graded coins that should have been upgraded the first time through. The services had a tight standard and stuck to it. The range was tight back then and rarely did a 64.8 make it to a 65 holder, it took a 64.9 or a 65.0 to do it. There was not "slop" like there is today. They often graded too many coins too tough if you want to call that "negative slop." Finding 64+ or 64++ coins to go to MS65 was probably the most lucrative game since 66 and higher grades were not often given out on type coins or 20th century sets. If you think the internet and your fingertips will measure up to even one dealer who grades with 60% accuracy you are sorely mistaken. You have to attend shows and auctions and submit coins, over and over. I don't know of any top graders (collector or dealer in the top 1-5% of all graders) who hasn't had to play the resubmit game. It's just part of the schooling. You learn far more on the technical aspects of grading via your own submissions than you ever will just comparing coins. One will get you in the ballpark and probably get you fair value when buying. The other knowledge will allow you to do what Monsterman, MS68, and others do in order to grade down to 1/10th of a MS grading point with consistency.
Unless you played the grading game seriously back in the late 1980's, I'm not sure how you can comment on what actually happend. And looking at the old holder relics still entombed today is hardly a way to judge how grading was back then.
I look at 30-40,000 coins per year
I think the BS-o-meter just pegged out on that statement. We're talking about classics, not the art of looking through a thousand coin bag of say 1982 lincoln cents or hundreds of SAE's looking for an MS70. That's a tiny niche of the game but not the grading we're talking about. What we're talking about are classics across the board - all types - all grades, all metals. A huge market with more facets than most can deal with. One cannot compete in this market by grading bags of anything. It's quality over quantity.
I've been doing classic coins for over 30 years and get burnt out just looking at 600-800 auction lots and assigning grades over a 6 to 8 hour period. And that's considering I skip 90% of them after a 2-3 second look (ie not for me). When you're spending serious money, you can't afford a 5-10 second look like the TPG's do. I doubt if I've looked at 40,000 coins closely in my entire life. But when I look at a coin of interest I could spend an hour or more. I don't count scanning a bourse flour case as "grading." We can easily reject a whole case of a hundred coins in 10-30 seconds just by the "look" of them from 2-3 feet away. I'm sure dealers like Legend looks at double row boxes until they are blue in the face. They do look at hundreds of thousands of coins per year. Considering there might only be a few thousand seated coins in the world of interest to me, looking at tens of thousands is of no factor. How many gem bust halves can I look at a year? 20? Gem seated halves? 50-100? It's quality and accuracy to the nth degree over sheer quantity. Grading 30,000 coins probably has not made you one iota better to judge a MS67 or MS68 1917-s nickel. Seriously taking some time to grade/judge a handful of MS65-67's of this date (and similarly graded misc dates) would make one more qualified.
To find one gem bust half worthy of buying today, I'd have to look at dozens of NGC/PCGS MS65's...that's my definition of slop. In 1989, most every PCGS MS65 I looked at was fine with me. NGC still slabbed darkish coins back then if they were clean and that was a problem. But the standard was tight. I did find one worthy at the 2008 FUN show auction but it was a wonderful MS66 old holdered NGC coin. I see that a friend of the forum who bought it turned it to PCGS MS66.....nice job J. That was a neat coin and the only bust half I bid on in the past year.
After reviewing the pics, I think that this particular NGC coin could possibly, based on the alignment of the planets, cross. Yes, I admit I WAS WRONG. I blame my handlers but I take full responsibility for the very rare and amazing error on my part. This is like a 1/0 pop error so I have decided to punish myself and buy a toned nickel. Here it is. What is the grade?
>>>>>And looking at the old holder relics still entombed today is hardly a way to judge how grading was back then
boy you got that right.......unless of course you get that rare ocassion to get a fresh deal that was put up in 1987 by a very good eye.........sorta gives a a coin woody :-) when the heart starts poundin an you say to yourself geez this guy had a good eye!!
catilin
sure is a nice coin from what i see.....anyone wanna bet it will be in a pcgs 67 holder???...........what difference that makes still has me befuddled as it is the best there is....so what is the difference.....but i am still " fighting the tape "........( stock talk )
i personally like my monsters with a white backround so i crossed my pcgs coins into ngc holders ........but i buy pcgs coins all the time...in fact about 50/50 ncg pcgs..........
AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME I WILL NEVER EVER UNDERSTAND ANY COLLECTOR WHO ONLY BUYS 1 SERVICE`S COINS......
its like looking for miss america .........and i get to look both sides of the mississippi and they only get to look on the east side..........thus its impossible to maximize your collection to what it could be.......so whats the point unless you enjoy doing things half a$$ed
monsterman
my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME I WILL NEVER EVER UNDERSTAND ANY COLLECTOR WHO ONLY BUYS 1 SERVICE`S COINS......
I do. Most collectors don't have access to the fresh NGC material - just the picked over dregs that won't cross. So unless they are adept at grading and picking out the 10-20% that eventually will cross given enough time, they're just better off only buying PCGS coins.
Yes, there are good coins and bad coins in both company's holders - but if you don't have access to the good ones, then you gotta do something...
>>>I do. Most collectors don't have access to the fresh NGC material - just the picked over dregs that won't cross.
you know your right....i just never pay attention to them.....meaning as inm walking down the bourse the monsters sing to me...i never see the dregs.....while some highlight coins to look at in their auction cats..........i never do...i thumb through them all pretty quick until a looker stops me....thus i never look at the duds
i guess thats why i never get to buy a t sheet levels...:-)
monsterman
my goal is to find the monsters and i go where they are but i sometimes miss some.... so if you have any and want to sell IM THE BUYER FOR THEM!!!
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
<< <i>AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME I WILL NEVER EVER UNDERSTAND ANY COLLECTOR WHO ONLY BUYS 1 SERVICE`S COINS......
its like looking for miss america .........and i get to look both sides of the mississippi and they only get to look on the east side..........thus its impossible to maximize your collection to what it could be.......so whats the point unless you enjoy doing things half a$$ed
monsterman >>
I didn't even leave the city to find my Miss America. In fact, she turned out to live only 2 miles away. Didn't I mention I have 2 ICG slabs somewhere? See, there's some balance in my collection.
>>>>>And looking at the old holder relics still entombed today is hardly a way to judge how grading was back then
boy you got that right.......unless of course you get that rare ocassion to get a fresh deal that was put up in 1987 by a very good eye.........sorta gives a a coin woody :-) when the heart starts poundin an you say to yourself geez this guy had a good eye!!
catilin
sure is a nice coin from what i see.....anyone wanna bet it will be in a pcgs 67 holder???...........what difference that makes still has me befuddled as it is the best there is....so what is the difference.....but i am still " fighting the tape "........( stock talk )
i personally like my monsters with a white backround so i crossed my pcgs coins into ngc holders ........but i buy pcgs coins all the time...in fact about 50/50 ncg pcgs..........
AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME I WILL NEVER EVER UNDERSTAND ANY COLLECTOR WHO ONLY BUYS 1 SERVICE`S COINS......
its like looking for miss america .........and i get to look both sides of the mississippi and they only get to look on the east side..........thus its impossible to maximize your collection to what it could be.......so whats the point unless you enjoy doing things half a$$ed
monsterman >>
GREAT statement monsterman,a monster from any service is still a monster.BTW,Hope all is well with you.Lloyd
Great coins are not cheap,and cheap coins are not great!
Caitlin,Gorgeous coin.Hope you get 200K.For the folks who only think PCGS coins bring huge money,check out some of the money being bid in the Bowers rarity auction on NGC Buffalo nickels.
Great coins are not cheap,and cheap coins are not great!
About what Griv? That i also buy the coin and not the holder?Thats all i am saying.Enjoy your modern 70s,i dont collect them,but i also dont dump on them.To each their own.
Great coins are not cheap,and cheap coins are not great!
<< <i>About what Griv? That i also buy the coin and not the holder?Thats all i am saying.Enjoy your modern 70s,i dont collect them,but i also dont dump on them.To each their own. >>
<< <i>About what Griv? That i also buy the coin and not the holder?Thats all i am saying.Enjoy your modern 70s,i dont collect them,but i also dont dump on them.To each their own. >>
<< <i>About what Griv? That i also buy the coin and not the holder?Thats all i am saying.Enjoy your modern 70s,i dont collect them,but i also dont dump on them.To each their own. >>
So, I made a polite response and yours was to poke fun based on the position of the sun? How sad. This is almost worse than Hussain Osama winning the White House. Okay, maybe not!
Heritage Images seem to be getting better -- looks like an incredible coin. No grade opion from me -- I get PCGS 64s on Buffs that look like a 66 to me with a 5x grading loupe!!
<< <i>This one is for you crazyhound dog--- Now this is a NICE BUFF! >>
I agree it's the nicest one I've ever seen or even heard of! Very nice pick-up! I'll trade you a couple of rupees for it .....Now, lets see your 1926-d your so proud of!!!
The bitterness of "Poor Quality" is remembered long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.
Actually - my old 26d was sold prior to the sale of my PCGS registry set -THE CAPE COD COLLECTION- In the sale conducted by ANR RARITIES (NOW STACKS). My 26d was bought by Q DAVID BOWERS.. and he wrote an article about the coin in Coinworld, describing it as the finest he had ever seen for this particular date.
so since this thread was revived, i had to read it. man, that was funny. "i'll offer you 10k for it now, but once it doesn't sell, i'll give you 8k" baha. then i look up the heritage archives and see what it sold for. good thing you stuck to your guns or griv would had made a heckuvaprofit what an interesting argumentative thread to bring back. interesting!
Comments
Like this for example.
>>>>>>I look at 30-40 thousand coins a year
sorry to one up ya but i look at literally millions.........seriously i do
and a few million notes too.......so there...na na na na na...naaaaaaaa
i couldnt resist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you see im in the self serve carwash business and have about a 100 vaults....each holds 4,000 quarters ...man are those things heavy...that fact is i dont count them i weight em....everyday im at one location or another loading the changers and removing the bills...aka notes.... into shoe boxesy...........ou do not want to play me in liars poker....lol
i also have the largest salt water coin collection in the world.
..you see those katrina victims went back after the flood and got their water logged coins...and spend them at my carwashes........im keeping them for some unklnown reason
sorry again i couldnt funnin ya resist
monsterman
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
<< <i>I'm not JUST a bullion collector. I have respectable Sac and President MS collections. >>
OH PLEASE, smoeone find the character what gives out the post of the day/week/month/year
WHERE ARE YOU??????????
of course, always great when the mm has some fresh meat to gnaw on....
<< <i>griv
>>>>>>I look at 30-40 thousand coins a year
sorry to one up ya but i look at literally millions.........seriously i do
and a few million notes too.......so there...na na na na na...naaaaaaaa
i couldnt resist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you see im in the self serve carwash business and have about a 100 vaults....each holds 4,000 quarters ...man are those things heavy...that fact is i dont count them i weight em....everyday im at one location or another loading the changers and removing the bills...aka notes.... into shoe boxesy...........ou do not want to play me in liars poker....lol
i also have the largest salt water coin collection in the world.
..you see those katrina victims went back after the flood and got their water logged coins...and spend them at my carwashes........im keeping them for some unklnown reason
sorry again i couldnt funnin ya resist
monsterman >>
I like your humor so bring it on. I actually have a real job so there is this grading/coin conflict that I have to overcome. 30-40K of coins is all I'm willing to take on. If you want to do more then my heart goes out to you. I did around 8K of coins last weekend and frankly, it sucked. 3 coins, f'ing 3 coins and PCGS will grade them 67, maybe. Crap from the Mint.
<< <i>
<< <i>I'm not JUST a bullion collector. I have respectable Sac and President MS collections. >>
OH PLEASE, smoeone find the character what gives out the post of the day/week/month/year
WHERE ARE YOU??????????
of course, always great when the mm has some fresh meat to gnaw on.... >>
WTF? Maybe after another beer or two I might be able to understand your post or better yet, ksteelheader can painfully explain it to me in the AM. Unless he is sleeping it off which in that case I'll catch you in the afternoon.
A wee bit annoying
You wouldn't believe how long it took to get him to sit still for this.
The grading games were more minimal back then. And if anything, the ability to score was finding tightly graded coins that should have been upgraded the first time through. The services had a tight standard and stuck to it. The range was tight back then and rarely did a 64.8 make it to a 65 holder, it took a 64.9 or a 65.0 to do it. There was not "slop" like there is today. They often graded too many coins too tough if you want to call that "negative slop." Finding 64+ or 64++ coins to go to MS65 was probably the most lucrative game since 66 and higher grades were not often given out on type coins or 20th century sets. If you think the internet and your fingertips will measure up to even one dealer who grades with 60% accuracy you are sorely mistaken. You have to attend shows and auctions and submit coins, over and over. I don't know of any top graders (collector or dealer in the top 1-5% of all graders) who hasn't had to play the resubmit game. It's just part of the schooling. You learn far more on the technical aspects of grading via your own submissions than you ever will just comparing coins. One will get you in the ballpark and probably get you fair value when buying. The other knowledge will allow you to do what Monsterman, MS68, and others do in order to grade down to 1/10th of a MS grading point with consistency.
Unless you played the grading game seriously back in the late 1980's, I'm not sure how you can comment on what actually happend. And looking at the old holder relics still entombed today is hardly a way to judge how grading was back then.
I look at 30-40,000 coins per year
I think the BS-o-meter just pegged out on that statement. We're talking about classics, not the art of looking through a thousand coin bag of say 1982 lincoln cents or hundreds of SAE's looking for an MS70. That's a tiny niche of the game but not the grading we're talking about. What we're talking about are classics across the board - all types - all grades, all metals. A huge market with more facets than most can deal with. One cannot compete in this market by grading bags of anything. It's quality over quantity.
I've been doing classic coins for over 30 years and get burnt out just looking at 600-800 auction lots and assigning grades over a 6 to 8 hour period. And that's considering I skip 90% of them after a 2-3 second look (ie not for me). When you're spending serious money, you can't afford a 5-10 second look like the TPG's do. I doubt if I've looked at 40,000 coins closely in my entire life. But when I look at a coin of interest I could spend an hour or more. I don't count scanning a bourse flour case as "grading." We can easily reject a whole case of a hundred coins in 10-30 seconds just by the "look" of them from 2-3 feet away. I'm sure dealers like Legend looks at double row boxes until they are blue in the face. They do look at hundreds of thousands of coins per year. Considering there might only be a few thousand seated coins in the world of interest to me, looking at tens of thousands is of no factor. How many gem bust halves can I look at a year? 20? Gem seated halves? 50-100?
It's quality and accuracy to the nth degree over sheer quantity.
Grading 30,000 coins probably has not made you one iota better to judge a MS67 or MS68 1917-s nickel. Seriously taking some time to grade/judge a handful of MS65-67's of this date (and similarly graded misc dates) would make one more qualified.
To find one gem bust half worthy of buying today, I'd have to look at dozens of NGC/PCGS MS65's...that's my definition of slop. In 1989, most every PCGS MS65 I looked at was fine with me. NGC still slabbed darkish coins back then if they were clean and that was a problem. But the standard was tight. I did find one worthy at the 2008 FUN show auction but it was a wonderful MS66 old holdered NGC coin. I see that a friend of the forum who bought it turned it to PCGS MS66.....nice job J. That was a neat coin and the only bust half I bid on in the past year.
roadrunner
Very nice!
Garrow
<< <i>Figure a PCGS 65.5 >>
yeah right. if you can find PCGS 65.5 that look like that, i'd buy them by the handful and upgrade them by either service.
>>>>>And looking at the old holder relics still entombed today is hardly a way to judge how grading was back then
boy you got that right.......unless of course you get that rare ocassion to get a fresh deal that was put up in 1987 by a very good eye.........sorta gives a a coin woody :-) when the heart starts poundin an you say to yourself geez this guy had a good eye!!
catilin
sure is a nice coin from what i see.....anyone wanna bet it will be in a pcgs 67 holder???...........what difference that makes still has me befuddled as it is the best there is....so what is the difference.....but i am still " fighting the tape "........( stock talk )
i personally like my monsters with a white backround so i crossed my pcgs coins into ngc holders ........but i buy pcgs coins all the time...in fact about 50/50 ncg pcgs..........
AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME I WILL NEVER EVER UNDERSTAND ANY COLLECTOR WHO ONLY BUYS 1 SERVICE`S COINS......
its like looking for miss america .........and i get to look both sides of the mississippi and they only get to look on the east side..........thus its impossible to maximize your collection to what it could be.......so whats the point unless you enjoy doing things half a$$ed
monsterman
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
I do. Most collectors don't have access to the fresh NGC material - just the picked over dregs that won't cross. So unless they are adept at grading and picking out the 10-20% that eventually will cross given enough time, they're just better off only buying PCGS coins.
Yes, there are good coins and bad coins in both company's holders - but if you don't have access to the good ones, then you gotta do something...
>>>I do. Most collectors don't have access to the fresh NGC material - just the picked over dregs that won't cross.
you know your right....i just never pay attention to them.....meaning as inm walking down the bourse the monsters sing to me...i never see the dregs.....while some highlight coins to look at in their auction cats..........i never do...i thumb through them all pretty quick until a looker stops me....thus i never look at the duds
i guess thats why i never get to buy a t sheet levels...:-)
monsterman
out of rockets ...out of bullets...switching to harsh language
<< <i>AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME I WILL NEVER EVER UNDERSTAND ANY COLLECTOR WHO ONLY BUYS 1 SERVICE`S COINS......
its like looking for miss america .........and i get to look both sides of the mississippi and they only get to look on the east side..........thus its impossible to maximize your collection to what it could be.......so whats the point unless you enjoy doing things half a$$ed
monsterman >>
I didn't even leave the city to find my Miss America. In fact, she turned out to live only 2 miles away. Didn't I mention I have 2 ICG slabs somewhere? See, there's some balance in my collection.
<< <i>roadrunner
>>>>>And looking at the old holder relics still entombed today is hardly a way to judge how grading was back then
boy you got that right.......unless of course you get that rare ocassion to get a fresh deal that was put up in 1987 by a very good eye.........sorta gives a a coin woody :-) when the heart starts poundin an you say to yourself geez this guy had a good eye!!
catilin
sure is a nice coin from what i see.....anyone wanna bet it will be in a pcgs 67 holder???...........what difference that makes still has me befuddled as it is the best there is....so what is the difference.....but i am still " fighting the tape "........( stock talk )
i personally like my monsters with a white backround so i crossed my pcgs coins into ngc holders ........but i buy pcgs coins all the time...in fact about 50/50 ncg pcgs..........
AND FOR THE LIFE OF ME I WILL NEVER EVER UNDERSTAND ANY COLLECTOR WHO ONLY BUYS 1 SERVICE`S COINS......
its like looking for miss america .........and i get to look both sides of the mississippi and they only get to look on the east side..........thus its impossible to maximize your collection to what it could be.......so whats the point unless you enjoy doing things half a$$ed
monsterman >>
GREAT statement monsterman,a monster from any service is still a monster.BTW,Hope all is well with you.Lloyd
<< <i>About what Griv? That i also buy the coin and not the holder?Thats all i am saying.Enjoy your modern 70s,i dont collect them,but i also dont dump on them.To each their own.
^&&$)()@^(!_)(#_@*!*&*)(*!_*)!)(*&_&)*&_*&_!&_
With that said, have a good day.
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<< <i>About what Griv? That i also buy the coin and not the holder?Thats all i am saying.Enjoy your modern 70s,i dont collect them,but i also dont dump on them.To each their own.
^&&$)()@^(!_)(#_@*!*&*)(*!_*)!)(*&_&)*&_*&_!&_
With that said, have a good day.
It's night-time idiot.
Collector of Early 20th Century U.S. Coinage.
ANA Member R-3147111
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<< <i>About what Griv? That i also buy the coin and not the holder?Thats all i am saying.Enjoy your modern 70s,i dont collect them,but i also dont dump on them.To each their own.
^&&$)()@^(!_)(#_@*!*&*)(*!_*)!)(*&_&)*&_*&_!&_
With that said, have a good day.
It's night-time idiot.
So, I made a polite response and yours was to poke fun based on the position of the sun? How sad. This is almost worse than Hussain Osama winning the White House. Okay, maybe not!
Would be fun to hear the story of the whole set and how its then-owner assembled it prior to Baltimore 2008.
K S
<< <i>This one is for you crazyhound dog--- Now this is a NICE BUFF!
I agree it's the nicest one I've ever seen or even heard of! Very nice pick-up! I'll trade you a couple of rupees for it
<< <i>Since it's in a NGC holder we have to come down a grade so I'd say maybe 75-100 bucks. >>
<< <i>What did this coin hammer at? Is it still in ngc plastic? >>
HA's 1917-s 5C NGC MS67
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<< <i>What did this coin hammer at? Is it still in ngc plastic? >>
HA's 1917-s 5C NGC MS67 >>
WOW!! That beats my two rupee offer....
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<< <i>Shamika, I'm guessing a lot more than that ----- at least 10 times more! Thanks brian !!
$150,000+ would be an incredible price. I'll keep an eye on it. >>
Well, I have to give Ed (Cape) is due. He was right. Nice job.
<< <i>Here's an image I"ll try to blow it up later on.
How long has this coin been in a holder? I was just wondering who found this beautiful piece and submitted it for the first time? What a find!!!!