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A 1917S NGC MS 67- Finest known to date by either NGC or PCGS. What do you say a coin like this is worth to the high end registry people seeing that it is the only one graded?
ed rodrigues
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edited to add, wow, I take that back, in PCGS 65 or 66, thats a big coin, but I still wonder why it isn't in PCGS plastic ???
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Heritage: $8,912.50 (May 07, PCGS)
$11,500 (April 07, PCGS)
$4,887.50 (May 07, NGC)
$5,750 (June 06, NGC)
$6,900 (April 06, NGC)
Also, the "imaginary" Bluesheet bids for 67's are somewhat comical: $15,000 PCGS, $11,000 NGC. I would definitely expert a reasonably graded 67 to sell for much more (especially if a few certain Buffalo collectors decided to fight over it.)
Pics would be good though! Rob
"Seeing as it isn't graded by PCGS, not much to PCGS registry people."
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Yeah, it's the wrong flavor Kool-Aid.
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<< <i>Is David Lange still grading for NGC??? If he is, I wonder if he may have graded this one??? Cant wait to see it! >>
Dave is the numismatic director for NGC. He is not a grader, but I'll ask him if he's seen it.
Congrats ED!
<< <i>Shamika, I'm guessing a lot more than that ----- at least 10 times more! Thanks brian !!
$150,000+ would be an incredible price. I'll keep an eye on it.
Griv, If you have similar coins (+- same rarity as this date) to sell for $75-$100, they will sell like hotcakes! We'll buy them all!
I'll be looking forward to my Platinum catalog for this summer's ANA.
Garrow
The coin will speak for itself. Loudly.
<< <i>Okay, but it would still cross at a MS66 and that's more like $12K. Someone would be crazy to spend $150K on that coin. IMO
The coin will speak for itself. Loudly. >>
It doesn't even have the EARLY RELEASE label. Who will want it?
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
<< <i>What. are you guys on commission? This is a 12-15K coin tops. I'd give you 7K myself, but only if it is toned. I guarantee it would only grade MS66 in PCGS so 100-150K for this is a joke and you should be ashamed hyping this coin to the moon. Fools and their money.
Griv...since you do not know if it is toned or not I am going to assume you have not seen this coin....how can you make a determination on value??? Are you going by a price guide and downgrading it a point simply because it is in an NGC Holder???? There are a ton of moon money coins that have been certified by NGC! High grade coins bring high bids. I haven't seen it either, I am not trying to argue how nice or not nice the coin actually is...I just think you are making a unreasonable decision based on what 2 things....NGC and MS67! See the coin, then make an informed judgement!
Shawn
<< <i>What. are you guys on commission? This is a 12-15K coin tops. I'd give you 7K myself, but only if it is toned. I guarantee it would only grade MS66 in PCGS so 100-150K for this is a joke and you should be ashamed hyping this coin to the moon. Fools and their money.
Jeez, step away from the koolaid griv. All I'll say is good luck getting it for less than $50K.
<< <i>What. are you guys on commission? This is a 12-15K coin tops. I'd give you 7K myself, but only if it is toned. I guarantee it would only grade MS66 in PCGS so 100-150K for this is a joke and you should be ashamed hyping this coin to the moon. Fools and their money.
well it is the type of coin that many people will view in hand to
determine for themselves. i cannot imagine it going for more then 100,000
but that is just me.. thinking to myself, my gawd that is a lot of money
for a buff nickel.
i hope when it does sell someone will update this thread so we can
all see how it plays out.
edited to add: once again i have to remember this technique of pimping my coins
when it comes time for me to sell....
I'm not trying to step on your cash cow but this is insane. It's almost criminal.
And no CAC sticker either.
At $150K this buff would be on top of the world.
roadrunner
PCGS has gotten very tight on pop top coins in particular the last few years. As an example, I had a 1913-D T2 in NGC MS68 in the Bowers preFUN sale. The coin brought $143,750. It was the nicest 13-D T2 I or anyone else that knows Buffs has ever seen. I tried a few times to cross the coin to no avail. A few years ago, the coin would have been a slam dunk to grade PCGS 68. There were three different collectors in the bidding at 100k plus the juice. Just goes to show that nice coins need not be in PCGS holders to bring real money.
Then what difference would it had made had PCGS graded it MS67? Since it was the nicest 13-D T2 you or anyone else that knows Buffs has ever seen, wouldn't the coin still have fetched the same price?
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
<< <i>I must be one of those fools then. I would be more than happy to pay 60K for it knowing I could make a substantial profit on the coin at that level. And yes, I have seen the coin. I was the underbidder to CAPE in the auction with the set of Buffs that this coin was in. I hope GRIV is just joking when he states that the only grading service that matters with Buffalo nickels is PCGS. That statement is taking the drinking of koolaid to a new low...There were three different collectors in the bidding at 100k plus the juice. Just goes to show that nice coins need not be in PCGS holders to bring real money. >>
You can go to the bank with what MS68 says about this coin. Ed proclaimed to me when he bought the set that this coin was going to be the first MS67 1917S Buff! Along with MS68 he and caitlin know their stuff!
Any bets on the cross? All you NGC fans have a chance to be a part of what might be a defining moment. Can we get a few photos or is this one of those 4 feedback, photos are for idiots auction?
I'll cut you 10K right now and I think I am being quite generous. It'll be 8K after it fails to sell so this is your best chance. IMO
Any more would be pure . . .
<< <i>Just goes to show that nice coins need not be in PCGS holders to bring real money. >>
Amen to that! Buy the COIN, not the plastic.
<< <i>I'm not quite sure I understand all the nuances of who owns what, so I'll ask nicely ... is this a SPAM thread?
Let me give it to you straight:
YES
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<< <i>I'm not quite sure I understand all the nuances of who owns what, so I'll ask nicely ... is this a SPAM thread?
Let me give it to you straight:
YES >>
Would anyone who has posted praise of this coin in this thread who does NOT own part of the coin in question, please raise your hand?
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<< <i>I'm not quite sure I understand all the nuances of who owns what, so I'll ask nicely ... is this a SPAM thread?
Let me give it to you straight:
YES >>
Would anyone who has posted praise of this coin in this thread who does NOT own part of the coin in question, please raise your hand?
I think that covers most of us...
I'm sure the coin maybe the finest 17-S Buffalo anyone has ever seen, but that doesn't mean that PCGS will grade it MS67. And if this coin was offered in a PCGS MS66 slab, I can't believe the price would not be adversely affected as a result. The coin may deserve to be called the most valuable 1917-S Buffalo nickel on the planet, but $150,000 seems a bit much. But then again, I can only afford this date in the 63 to 64 grades so what do I know.
With that said, does anyone know if the coin was last purchased raw or was it already graded? And if it was already graded, what and by whom was it graded?
<< <i>With that said, does anyone know if the coin was last purchased raw or was it already graded? And if it was already graded, what and by whom was it graded? >>
But again, I want to know if this is a crack-out or not.
a) Stickered
b) extremely rare
c) has a long history of being acknowledged as a wonder coin
d) in an old fatty holder
e) several grades above any other specimen in existance
f) still worth the purchase price if I had to downgrade it
Preferably ALL OF THE ABOVE!
Does this nickel qualify? Perhaps those who don't own a piece of the coin and are talking it up here for financial reasons could chime in...
<< <i>These days, the only way I'd spend that kind of money on an NGC coin is if it's one of the following:
a) Stickered
b) extremely rare
c) has a long history of being acknowledged as a wonder coin
d) in an old fatty holder
e) several grades above any other specimen in existance
f) still worth the purchase price if I had to downgrade it
Preferably ALL OF THE ABOVE!
Does this nickel qualify? Perhaps those who don't own a piece of the coin and are talking it up here for financial reasons could chime in... >>
I do not own the coin and agree with you completely. I would reorder the above to:
c) has a long history of being acknowledged as a wonder coin
e) several grades above any other specimen in existance
f) still worth the purchase price if I had to downgrade it
b) extremely rare
d) in an old fatty holder
a) Stickered
My guess is that none of the above is true, but I am willing to be corrected if I am wrong.
Disclosure: I have no ownership interest in the coin.