But how does the drama apply to a sports card forum? A lot of you have asked me to limit my posts to spoerts card related topics, which I've been good with since then. >>
How does lying have a place in our community we have here?
Alan, if you're taking any of this personally because of some other thread, don't, you don't even qualify as a fibber.
Jay will never prove anything, and anyone who makes claims such as he has, would surely offer proof to someone if they were true??? His "can't trust you guys" defence, and lie right to the bitter end attitude kinda says it all. And then act like a victim... oh boy???
But how does the drama apply to a sports card forum? A lot of you have asked me to limit my posts to spoerts card related topics, which I've been good with since then. >>
How does lying have a place in our community we have here? >>
It absolutley doesnt have a place here. I'm not saying what he did was wrong. he was 100% ABSOLTELY WRONG, no doubt about it. But what is the point in bumping the thread every few minutes with new nonsense?
Look! Over there! A dead horse! Let's go beat it to death!
<< <i>Alan, if you're taking any of this personally because of some other thread, don't, you don't even qualify as a fibber.
Jay will never prove anything, and anyone who makes claims such as he has, would surely offer proof to someone if they were true??? His "can't trust you guys" defence, and lie right to the bitter end attitude kinda says it all. And then act like a victim... oh boy???
>>
I have no reason to take any of this personally. The only thing it has to do with me is that I've been through this before too... I goof, I admit it, I get pummeled on a thread for DAYS at a time. What's the point?
<< <i> I have no reason to take any of this personally. The only thing it has to do with me is that I've been through this before too... I goof, I admit it, I get pummeled on a thread for DAYS at a time. What's the point? >>
I got pummeled in school a few times... every time I got pummeled, I learned something... how bout you?
<< <i>But what is the point in bumping the thread every few minutes with new nonsense?
Look! Over there! A dead horse! Let's go beat it to death! >>
Pot, meet kettle.
By YOU bumping this thread makes your whole point hyprocritical.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
I don't speak for everyone on this board, but I will share my assumptions. My belief is that it's safe to say that nobody in their right mind on this board wants ANYTHING to do with having Alan take up for them and offer his support.
I imagine it would be similar to using a toothpick as support piling under the new Yankee Stadium.
Alan, you have enough troubles of your own around here. You should probably keep to your own business.
I got stuck with this freakin' red paper clip a few months ago. Traded some good cards for it. The guy said it was a magical paper clip that would bring much fun and enjoyment if I just played my cards right.
<< <i>This coming from the ass that wanted to "bury the hatchet"
Awesome.
And Stown, you bumped too, so I guess we're all guilty... my comment was this:
"They'll just keep bumping this thread with some new ridiculous thing just to tick you off. That's just how they roll man."
I didnt bump the thread to tick him off, I was just trying to say that this thread s useless and you're all beating a dead horse to death. >>
Uh, I wasn't the one pulling a Chris Crocker crying, "Leave this poor, innocent person alone!"
As gumby said, you of all people shouldn't be the one supporting a liar.
All it's doing is fanning flames for your already weak reputation of being a whiner.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Jay- Again, I'm just a casual observer here. Once known to lead the charge with stuff like this, I decided it's pretty much a waste of time. Unless someone really gets under my skin I usually just leave people alone now. However, in this case there are some things that truly rub me the wrong way:
1) You lied about your child not being yours- I can understand lying about yourself to cast a veil on a certain situation, but not claiming that beautiful baby as your own is truly distasteful.
2) I'm fairly certain you're lying about receiving the Purple Heart. There are lists all around the net about PH recipients and you're not on any of them. Also, a search of "Adair Purple Heart" brings up nothing about you receiving the award. I'm not a proponent of war or even really all that patriotic, but there's nothing more tragic then being badly injured or killed while fighting for something you believe in. To lie about receiving the highest honor the military can give is unbelievably selfish and dispicable. You certainly aren't obligated to show proof you received this award, but as further incentive I will immediately paypal you $100 if you can prove you are a Purple Heart recipient. That should give you a boost in your quest for a Rose RC.
<< <i>Uh, I wasn't the one pulling a Chris Crocker crying, "Leave this poor, innocent person alone!"
Where did I? All I was saying is theres no sense in bumping the thread with crap anymore. I never, ever, once defended him. >>
Oh really?
"Pete14Rose, DrJ is almost always negative about everything. Please dont think his comments are indicative of the comments from the rest of us.
I support you in this, just like I support Bryon in his quest.
I'd love to take part in this at some point (especially since I missed out on Bryon's trade).
I'll keep my eye on this and I'm sure we'll be in touch.
Good luck man, and welcome to the boards."
"What if he is the dude he says he's not.. who cares... was this "EB" guy an ahole or something back when he was a former member? I mean, does it really matter?"
NEXT
<< <i>All it's doing is fanning flames for your already weak reputation of being a whiner.
And I dont care what you think about my reputation man. I guess it's better than being known as an ahole. >>
I would much rather be known as an occasional ahole to people that deserve it, stand up for reputable posters, and more importantly this community than a whiny little beyatch like you.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
In the Wedding Crashers' little black book, "Fight the urge to tell the truth" is Rule Number 15.
But on Monday, New Line Cinema broke its film's party-hearty commandment, and listened to critics who urged it stop assisting those who would, even as a joke, fake the most hallowed of military honors.
In short, the print-your-own Purple Heart is history on the Wedding Crashers' Website.
"We understand the sensitivity regarding the medal and did not intend to make light of its significance in any way," the studio said in a statement.
An interactive feature that allows aspiring wedding crashers, in the spirit of the comedy's titular tomcats played by Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughn, to paste their faces into a snapshot of a helmet-wearing soldier--the better to "prove to her that you're a real hero"--remains.
A spokeswoman for Congressman John T. Salazar of Colorado, who decried the on-demand Purple Heart service, said the lawmaker was focused on the printable medals, not the so-called "hero photo," or the movie's own Purple Heart gag.
"It was just a small part of the movie," said Nayyera Haq of a scene where Wilson and Vaughn identify themselves as Purple Heart recipients. "[Salazar] just felt that the movie Website went over the line."
Salazar was not alone. The Vietnam Veterans of America criticized both the film and the Website. "It is unconscionable to me--and is an insult to everyone who has served the nation in the military--to trivialize the Purple Heart in this way," Thomas H. Corey, the group's president and medal recipient, said in a statement.
The Purple Heart is awarded to military personnel who are wounded or killed while under fire on the battlefield. It is, in the vernacular of the Wedding Crashers, a babe magnet.
On the site, the Purple Hearts were found in the "Crasher Kit" section--"everything you need for the optimum Wedding Crashing experience." Users were directed to click, print and wear in the name of "attention, admiration and plenty of free booze." Users were not advised to model the faux medals at their own risk, although perhaps they should have been.
"If any moviegoer takes the advice of the Wedding Crashers and [tries] to use fake Purple Hearts to get girls, they may wind up picking up an FBI agent instead," Salazar said in a statement.
The wearing of the Purple Heart and other Medal of Honors is against the law for those who have not earned the decorations. Even before Wedding Crashers opened, Salazar was at work on a bill that would demand prison time for medal-wearing offenders and make it a crime to do precisely what Wilson and Vaughn's characters do in the movie--falsely boast of being medal recipients. Billed the Stolen Valor Act, the congressman introduced the proposed legislation at a press conference last Friday.
There was no word, meanwhile, as to whether New Line planned to alter Wedding Crashers' Purple Heart scene for future formats (DVD, cable, etc.) The movie has been in theaters since July 15, grossing $84.3 million through Monday, per the box-office tracking site BoxOfficeMojo.com. The film seems a good bet to break $100 million.
And while there's no medal for raking in nine figures, at least Wedding Crashers would come by that honor honestly.
<< <i>Jay- Again, I'm just a casual observer here. Once known to lead the charge with stuff like this, I decided it's pretty much a waste of time. Unless someone really gets under my skin I usually just leave people alone now. However, in this case there are some things that truly rub me the wrong way:
1) You lied about your child not being yours- I can understand lying about yourself to cast a veil on a certain situation, but not claiming that beautiful baby as your own is truly distasteful.
2) I'm fairly certain you're lying about receiving the Purple Heart. There are lists all around the net about PH recipients and you're not on any of them. Also, a search of "Adair Purple Heart" brings up nothing about you receiving the award. I'm not a proponent of war or even really all that patriotic, but there's nothing more tragic then being badly injured or killed while fighting for something you believe in. To lie about receiving the highest honor the military can give is unbelievably selfish and dispicable. You certainly aren't obligated to show proof you received this award, but as further incentive I will immediately paypal you $100 if you can prove you are a Purple Heart recipient. That should give you a boost in your quest for a Rose RC.
Lee >>
Only two sites came up with "his name" + "purple heart" and both were about a funeral.
If he lied about getting a Purple Heart, it's on like Donkey Kong. That's not only an insult to us but to the true heros that will not be disrespected.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Did Jay claim to receive the Purple Heart? I was of the understanding that he did, but in a PM he brought it to my attention that he never said such a thing. If that's the case then I apologize for making that claim.
Lee
(ps- Jay, this is why you don't go back and edit/remove posts. So you can prove there's truth in what you're saying)
I would have thought you would love the attention being on someone else for a change.. >>
Are you kidding me? Any attention is good attention for some people. When the spotlight shines on someone else, for good or for bad, it hurts people with self-esteem issues who need constant supervision/attention...thus causing said people to thrust themselves back into the spotlight.
<< <i>Did Jay claim to receive the Purple Heart? I was of the understanding that he did, but in a PM he brought it to my attention that he never said such a thing. If that's the case then I apologize for making that claim.
Lee
(ps- Jay, this is why you don't go back and edit/remove posts. So you can prove there's truth in what you're saying) >>
He claimed to be injured while in combat.
Additionally, here's his quote regarding his tour:
<< <i>As for your demand that I send you copies of my of my Purple Heart paperwork. No. >>
While he doesn't say one way or another that he did in fact receive a PH, he implies that he did and will not furnish proof.
LIAR!
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
And just in case he goes on another editing spree:
<< <i>It is what it is. I've made my own bed and I will lay in it. Thanks for your well wishes. As for your demand that I send you copies of my of my Purple Heart paperwork. No. I've apologized and said my peace. Don't think for a second that I will continue to jump through whatever hoops any members deems to throw at me. I've been cordial and respectful to this point. But as I said earlier, I'm no ones doormat. And your threat to "out" me to the board if I didn't produce paperwork for you? Real nice.
Take care. >>
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
Purple hearts, denial of fatherhood, giving thousands in cards to a nephew who trades them for an iPod.
This guy also insisted that I was named JeffN. Since my meds were working well at the time there was no doubt that only one personality inhabited my mind at the time.
<< <i>Purple hearts, denial of fatherhood, giving thousands in cards to a nephew who trades them for an iPod.
This guy also insisted that I was named JeffN. Since my meds were working well at the time there was no doubt that only one personality inhabited my mind at the time.
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
<< <i>Half of these guys live for this drama dude... you'll never get rid of it. Trust me.
They'll just keep bumping this thread with some new ridiculous thing just to tick you off. That's just how they roll man.
You bring up great points that you've never "wronged" anyone here, and you're open about the fact that you lied. Cool.
Personally, I accepted your apology a long time ago. The board members that live for this drama will continue to badger you though, just so you know in advance.
Hell, I even had one person last night say they thought you and I were one person... I normally dont like to name names, but it was DrJ (Justin). He and the others will continue to bug you. Just try to ignore it man.
good luck on your Pete Rose collection. >>
Alan,
The apology has already been accepted. You are clueless as usual my friend, and now just making up conspiracy theories. Now go take your.....
I want to say that I - for one - am more than happy to let this pass - I mean - it's a chat board and nothing bad has happened to anyone.
But, I will have to say - you've got a tough road to hoe - everytime anything said looks a bit odd? Your past is gonna come back to haunt you. TRUST and MUTUAL RESPECT are the benchmark of how we measure our experience here each and every day.
But, I do wish you the best - not only posting here but with your Pete Rose quest.
The last time I remember anything like this was with Collector222.
Good luck, mike >>
It is what it is. I've made my own bed and I will lay in it. Thanks for your well wishes. As for your demand that I send you copies of my of my Purple Heart paperwork. No. I've apologized and said my peace. Don't think for a second that I will continue to jump through whatever hoops any members deems to throw at me. I've been cordial and respectful to this point. But as I said earlier, I'm no ones doormat.And your threat to "out" me to the board if I didn't produce paperwork for you? Real nice.
Take care. >>
THIS IS IMPORTANT!
Just another example of how you play with words - I never threatened to out you if you didn't produce evidence - I told you to stop using the military reference if it's a lie - or then I would expose it - here's my PM to Jay or Ray or Johnson - or whatever your name is:
<< <i>jay u said u were wounded in iraq or pak? i assume u got the purple heart? i would like to see a scan of your orders. if this is just another "tale" to balance out the attack - i would prefer u stop it immediately! i'm a veteran of vietnam and desert storm - retired in '97 - i would rather u not say stuff like this unless it's absolutely the truth. if not the truth - i'm not gonna out u - but don't keep harping on this - because then - i will call u out publicly.
mike >>
My note to you was pretty plain - if true - no problem - I may ask for evidence - but if I smell a rat? I'm gonna let everyone know how I feel.
Playing on the sympathy of others - saying you served in the combat zone - saying your were wounded - is a smack in my face if you're lying - plain and simple. The amount of sacrifice that goes into the career of a soldier - can't be measured - that's all I was saying.
<< <i>Did Jay claim to receive the Purple Heart? I was of the understanding that he did, but in a PM he brought it to my attention that he never said such a thing. If that's the case then I apologize for making that claim.
Lee
(ps- Jay, this is why you don't go back and edit/remove posts. So you can prove there's truth in what you're saying) >>
Lee
You're not really wrong on this - this is what Jay said:
<< <i>Was I banned from here? I seriously never knew. I was in the Army when I was on here before. I re-enlisted shortly after 9/11 and now getting out after being wounded my last tour. The past 2 1/2 years have been a blur. Not an excuse. >>
Then if ya check my pm to him - I asked - if he was wounded - he received the purple heart - correct? And if so - one would have orders for it.
No One gets wounded in action and not recieve the purple heart.
That was my point - so no apology is required IMO. mike
My Father is a Purple Heart recipient from Vietnam. It was awarded to him after shrapnel hit him when a Helicopter exploded near him. When I was a kid I asked him why he didnt have it up on the wall for display and you know what he said to me? He said he was ASHAMED of getting it for a minor injury while there were guys that got the same medal for losing limbs and getting killed, those were the guys who payed a much dearer price for the award.
I sincerley hope that you understand the ABSOLUTE IGNORANCE you displayed if in fact you claim to have received this award and you didnt. >>
Perkie
He never said he got the Purple Heart - he said he was wounded in his last tour - I asked IF he received the award - he never answered - instead he hit me with self-righteous indignation.
Like I said - we honor our wounded - we award the Purple Heart - if he received it? Fine. I'll up the ante from Lee. If he PM's me a copy of his orders? I'll give him a present also - in fact - I'll trade him my first born!
My Father is a Purple Heart recipient from Vietnam. It was awarded to him after shrapnel hit him when a Helicopter exploded near him. When I was a kid I asked him why he didnt have it up on the wall for display and you know what he said to me? He said he was ASHAMED of getting it for a minor injury while there were guys that got the same medal for losing limbs and getting killed, those were the guys who payed a much dearer price for the award.
I sincerley hope that you understand the ABSOLUTE IGNORANCE you displayed if in fact you claim to have received this award and you didnt. >>
Pretty close to the story on my dad, wounded twice in Vietnam, both times by friendly fire. Have never seen him display them or the like, despite 22 years of service.
The last time they left the piece in him. It got infected in the mid 80's and almost killed him. But in his mind, he never earned them.
Jay, you are the scum of scum.
Collecting PSA graded Steve Young, Marcus Allen, Bret Saberhagen and 1980s Topps Cards. Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
Mike, not that means much coming from a guy behind a keyboard but your service, as well as others from that era, will always be highly respected and appreciated by me.
On a side note, Anyone considering quitting the hobby over this thread?
In words that will certainly prove immortal, I quote Donald Rumsfeld -
As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know We don't know.
<< <i>Mike, not that means much coming from a guy behind a keyboard but your service, as well as others from that era, will always be highly respected and appreciated by me.
On a side note, Anyone considering quitting the hobby over this thread? >>
Not considering quitting, but I thought the thread from that idiot who asked if Sandy Koufax was a q***r was the most classless thread I'd read all year...I guess not - and the year is still young.
<< <i>Mike, not that means much coming from a guy behind a keyboard but your service, as well as others from that era, will always be highly respected and appreciated by me.
On a side note, Anyone considering quitting the hobby over this thread? >>
Thanx for the kind words about service.
On the quitting?
I would say for all - IMO - Of course not.
This is just one of these things that happens here from time to time.
Like I said - this was just an event - Perry is a good guy and doesn't like "outing" people - he was just trying to insure no one got potentially stung - a la Gary D.
He brought this upon himself - I NEVER demanded proof - I PRIVATELY asked for proof and gave him an out - I'm still offering him that.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (3) 1st Lt Frank C. Marpe Jr and his crew became missing in action during the mission to Ploesti, Roumania on 5 April 1944. Following is a list of his crew: 2nd Lt Richard H. Middleton, 2nd Lt Joseph J. Joyce, 2nd Lt Lawrence B. Guthrie, T/Sgt Joe W. Dunn, T/Sgt Francis A. Matan, S/Sgt Earl E. Boren Jr, S/Sgt Marian D. Anderson, S/Sgt Jay R. Adair, S/Sgt Oscar C. Barnhill.
I did find a Jay Adair who fought in Afghanistan. He's in Afghanistan now, and is a Major in the Canadian Army. This is Jay and he doesn't look like the myspace picture.
Guys like Mike, Rube, and Jason P. have earned the respect of this board through their service. They risked and risk their lives respectively to protect us. Whether we believe in what they're doing over there or not we have to respect them for what they're doing for us.
I think the overwhelming majority of us thank you Stone, Jay (assuming he did really serve) and everybody that served.
I think it's clear Jay has a problem with the truth and that's sad. However, I think it's about time we let this dog lie down and we get back to the usual mundane forum talk.
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<< <i>
But how does the drama apply to a sports card forum? A lot of you have asked me to limit my posts to spoerts card related topics, which I've been good with since then. >>
How does lying have a place in our community we have here?
http://sportsfansnews.com/author/andy-fischer/
Jay will never prove anything, and anyone who makes claims such as he has, would surely offer proof to someone if they were true??? His "can't trust you guys" defence, and lie right to the bitter end attitude kinda says it all. And then act like a victim... oh boy???
<< <i>
<< <i>
But how does the drama apply to a sports card forum? A lot of you have asked me to limit my posts to spoerts card related topics, which I've been good with since then. >>
How does lying have a place in our community we have here? >>
It absolutley doesnt have a place here. I'm not saying what he did was wrong. he was 100% ABSOLTELY WRONG, no doubt about it. But what is the point in bumping the thread every few minutes with new nonsense?
Look! Over there! A dead horse! Let's go beat it to death!
<< <i>Alan, if you're taking any of this personally because of some other thread, don't, you don't even qualify as a fibber.
Jay will never prove anything, and anyone who makes claims such as he has, would surely offer proof to someone if they were true??? His "can't trust you guys" defence, and lie right to the bitter end attitude kinda says it all. And then act like a victim... oh boy???
I have no reason to take any of this personally. The only thing it has to do with me is that I've been through this before too... I goof, I admit it, I get pummeled on a thread for DAYS at a time. What's the point?
<< <i> I have no reason to take any of this personally. The only thing it has to do with me is that I've been through this before too... I goof, I admit it, I get pummeled on a thread for DAYS at a time. What's the point? >>
I got pummeled in school a few times... every time I got pummeled, I learned something... how bout you?
That's the point.
BUMP!
<< <i>But what is the point in bumping the thread every few minutes with new nonsense?
Look! Over there! A dead horse! Let's go beat it to death! >>
Pot, meet kettle.
By YOU bumping this thread makes your whole point hyprocritical.
I imagine it would be similar to using a toothpick as support piling under the new Yankee Stadium.
Alan, you have enough troubles of your own around here. You should probably keep to your own business.
Awesome.
And Stown, you bumped too, so I guess we're all guilty... my comment was this:
"They'll just keep bumping this thread with some new ridiculous thing just to tick you off. That's just how they roll man."
I didnt bump the thread to tick him off, I was just trying to say that this thread s useless and you're all beating a dead horse to death.
I got stuck with this freakin' red paper clip a few months ago. Traded some good cards for it. The guy said it was a magical paper clip that would bring much fun and enjoyment if I just played my cards right.
Anybody wanna trade?
<< <i>This coming from the ass that wanted to "bury the hatchet"
Awesome.
And Stown, you bumped too, so I guess we're all guilty... my comment was this:
"They'll just keep bumping this thread with some new ridiculous thing just to tick you off. That's just how they roll man."
I didnt bump the thread to tick him off, I was just trying to say that this thread s useless and you're all beating a dead horse to death. >>
Uh, I wasn't the one pulling a Chris Crocker crying, "Leave this poor, innocent person alone!"
As gumby said, you of all people shouldn't be the one supporting a liar.
All it's doing is fanning flames for your already weak reputation of being a whiner.
Where did I? All I was saying is theres no sense in bumping the thread with crap anymore. I never, ever, once defended him.
All it's doing is fanning flames for your already weak reputation of being a whiner.
And I dont care what you think about my reputation man. I guess it's better than being known as an ahole.
1) You lied about your child not being yours- I can understand lying about yourself to cast a veil on a certain situation, but not claiming that beautiful baby as your own is truly distasteful.
2) I'm fairly certain you're lying about receiving the Purple Heart. There are lists all around the net about PH recipients and you're not on any of them. Also, a search of "Adair Purple Heart" brings up nothing about you receiving the award. I'm not a proponent of war or even really all that patriotic, but there's nothing more tragic then being badly injured or killed while fighting for something you believe in. To lie about receiving the highest honor the military can give is unbelievably selfish and dispicable. You certainly aren't obligated to show proof you received this award, but as further incentive I will immediately paypal you $100 if you can prove you are a Purple Heart recipient. That should give you a boost in your quest for a Rose RC.
Lee
<< <i>Uh, I wasn't the one pulling a Chris Crocker crying, "Leave this poor, innocent person alone!"
Where did I? All I was saying is theres no sense in bumping the thread with crap anymore. I never, ever, once defended him. >>
Oh really?
"Pete14Rose, DrJ is almost always negative about everything. Please dont think his comments are indicative of the comments from the rest of us.
I support you in this, just like I support Bryon in his quest.
I'd love to take part in this at some point (especially since I missed out on Bryon's trade).
I'll keep my eye on this and I'm sure we'll be in touch.
Good luck man, and welcome to the boards."
"What if he is the dude he says he's not.. who cares... was this "EB" guy an ahole or something back when he was a former member? I mean, does it really matter?"
NEXT
<< <i>All it's doing is fanning flames for your already weak reputation of being a whiner.
And I dont care what you think about my reputation man. I guess it's better than being known as an ahole. >>
I would much rather be known as an occasional ahole to people that deserve it, stand up for reputable posters, and more importantly this community than a whiny little beyatch like you.
<< <i>I guess it's better than being known as an ahole. >>
I doubt that was necessary.
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No Medal for "Wedding Crashers"
By Joal Ryan
In the Wedding Crashers' little black book, "Fight the urge to tell the truth" is Rule Number 15.
But on Monday, New Line Cinema broke its film's party-hearty commandment, and listened to critics who urged it stop assisting those who would, even as a joke, fake the most hallowed of military honors.
In short, the print-your-own Purple Heart is history on the Wedding Crashers' Website.
"We understand the sensitivity regarding the medal and did not intend to make light of its significance in any way," the studio said in a statement.
An interactive feature that allows aspiring wedding crashers, in the spirit of the comedy's titular tomcats played by Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughn, to paste their faces into a snapshot of a helmet-wearing soldier--the better to "prove to her that you're a real hero"--remains.
A spokeswoman for Congressman John T. Salazar of Colorado, who decried the on-demand Purple Heart service, said the lawmaker was focused on the printable medals, not the so-called "hero photo," or the movie's own Purple Heart gag.
"It was just a small part of the movie," said Nayyera Haq of a scene where Wilson and Vaughn identify themselves as Purple Heart recipients. "[Salazar] just felt that the movie Website went over the line."
Salazar was not alone. The Vietnam Veterans of America criticized both the film and the Website. "It is unconscionable to me--and is an insult to everyone who has served the nation in the military--to trivialize the Purple Heart in this way," Thomas H. Corey, the group's president and medal recipient, said in a statement.
The Purple Heart is awarded to military personnel who are wounded or killed while under fire on the battlefield. It is, in the vernacular of the Wedding Crashers, a babe magnet.
On the site, the Purple Hearts were found in the "Crasher Kit" section--"everything you need for the optimum Wedding Crashing experience." Users were directed to click, print and wear in the name of "attention, admiration and plenty of free booze." Users were not advised to model the faux medals at their own risk, although perhaps they should have been.
"If any moviegoer takes the advice of the Wedding Crashers and [tries] to use fake Purple Hearts to get girls, they may wind up picking up an FBI agent instead," Salazar said in a statement.
The wearing of the Purple Heart and other Medal of Honors is against the law for those who have not earned the decorations. Even before Wedding Crashers opened, Salazar was at work on a bill that would demand prison time for medal-wearing offenders and make it a crime to do precisely what Wilson and Vaughn's characters do in the movie--falsely boast of being medal recipients. Billed the Stolen Valor Act, the congressman introduced the proposed legislation at a press conference last Friday.
There was no word, meanwhile, as to whether New Line planned to alter Wedding Crashers' Purple Heart scene for future formats (DVD, cable, etc.) The movie has been in theaters since July 15, grossing $84.3 million through Monday, per the box-office tracking site BoxOfficeMojo.com. The film seems a good bet to break $100 million.
And while there's no medal for raking in nine figures, at least Wedding Crashers would come by that honor honestly.
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<< <i>Jay- Again, I'm just a casual observer here. Once known to lead the charge with stuff like this, I decided it's pretty much a waste of time. Unless someone really gets under my skin I usually just leave people alone now. However, in this case there are some things that truly rub me the wrong way:
1) You lied about your child not being yours- I can understand lying about yourself to cast a veil on a certain situation, but not claiming that beautiful baby as your own is truly distasteful.
2) I'm fairly certain you're lying about receiving the Purple Heart. There are lists all around the net about PH recipients and you're not on any of them. Also, a search of "Adair Purple Heart" brings up nothing about you receiving the award. I'm not a proponent of war or even really all that patriotic, but there's nothing more tragic then being badly injured or killed while fighting for something you believe in. To lie about receiving the highest honor the military can give is unbelievably selfish and dispicable. You certainly aren't obligated to show proof you received this award, but as further incentive I will immediately paypal you $100 if you can prove you are a Purple Heart recipient. That should give you a boost in your quest for a Rose RC.
Lee >>
Only two sites came up with "his name" + "purple heart" and both were about a funeral.
If he lied about getting a Purple Heart, it's on like Donkey Kong. That's not only an insult to us but to the true heros that will not be disrespected.
<< <i>This coming from the ass that wanted to "bury the hatchet" >>
I never asked to, suggested that I would, or planned to "bury the hatchet."
I was asked by a fellow board member to lighten up on you so the board can get back to being about the hobby. I said I would.
That doesn't mean we'll be going to a Red Sox game together any time soon.
That also doesn't mean that I won't continue to make appropriate comments where I see fit.
The world: 1
Alan: 0
<< <i>If he lied about getting a Purple Heart, it's on like Donkey Kong. >>
Lee
(ps- Jay, this is why you don't go back and edit/remove posts. So you can prove there's truth in what you're saying)
die thread die!
j
RIP GURU
<< <i>"They'll just keep bumping this thread with some new ridiculous thing just to tick you off. That's just how they roll man." >>
Alan,
I would have thought you would love the attention being on someone else for a change..
<< <i>Alan,
I would have thought you would love the attention being on someone else for a change..
Are you kidding me? Any attention is good attention for some people. When the spotlight shines on someone else, for good or for bad, it hurts people with self-esteem issues who need constant supervision/attention...thus causing said people to thrust themselves back into the spotlight.
<< <i>Did Jay claim to receive the Purple Heart? I was of the understanding that he did, but in a PM he brought it to my attention that he never said such a thing. If that's the case then I apologize for making that claim.
Lee
(ps- Jay, this is why you don't go back and edit/remove posts. So you can prove there's truth in what you're saying) >>
He claimed to be injured while in combat.
Additionally, here's his quote regarding his tour:
<< <i>As for your demand that I send you copies of my of my Purple Heart paperwork. No. >>
While he doesn't say one way or another that he did in fact receive a PH, he implies that he did and will not furnish proof.
LIAR!
<< <i>It is what it is. I've made my own bed and I will lay in it. Thanks for your well wishes. As for your demand that I send you copies of my of my Purple Heart paperwork. No. I've apologized and said my peace. Don't think for a second that I will continue to jump through whatever hoops any members deems to throw at me. I've been cordial and respectful to this point. But as I said earlier, I'm no ones doormat. And your threat to "out" me to the board if I didn't produce paperwork for you? Real nice.
Take care. >>
This guy also insisted that I was named JeffN. Since my meds were working well at the time there was no doubt that only one personality inhabited my mind at the time.
Entertaining Reading
Next stop Duval!!!!!!
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j
RIP GURU
that was an interesting read...
I did not have to get far to see this from EB31/ Pete14Rose..
<< <i>A) I have no desire or need to leave and come back under a new id..only a scumbag would do that..and only a bigger scumbag would suggest it >>
<< <i>Purple hearts, denial of fatherhood, giving thousands in cards to a nephew who trades them for an iPod.
This guy also insisted that I was named JeffN. Since my meds were working well at the time there was no doubt that only one personality inhabited my mind at the time.
Entertaining Reading >>
Wow.
<< <i>Half of these guys live for this drama dude... you'll never get rid of it. Trust me.
They'll just keep bumping this thread with some new ridiculous thing just to tick you off. That's just how they roll man.
You bring up great points that you've never "wronged" anyone here, and you're open about the fact that you lied. Cool.
Personally, I accepted your apology a long time ago. The board members that live for this drama will continue to badger you though, just so you know in advance.
Hell, I even had one person last night say they thought you and I were one person... I normally dont like to name names, but it was DrJ (Justin). He and the others will continue to bug you. Just try to ignore it man.
good luck on your Pete Rose collection. >>
Alan,
The apology has already been accepted. You are clueless as usual my friend, and now just making up conspiracy theories. Now go take your.....
<< <i>
<< <i>Jay
I want to say that I - for one - am more than happy to let this pass - I mean - it's a chat board and nothing bad has happened to anyone.
But, I will have to say - you've got a tough road to hoe - everytime anything said looks a bit odd? Your past is gonna come back to haunt you. TRUST and MUTUAL RESPECT are the benchmark of how we measure our experience here each and every day.
But, I do wish you the best - not only posting here but with your Pete Rose quest.
The last time I remember anything like this was with Collector222.
Good luck,
mike >>
It is what it is. I've made my own bed and I will lay in it. Thanks for your well wishes. As for your demand that I send you copies of my of my Purple Heart paperwork. No. I've apologized and said my peace. Don't think for a second that I will continue to jump through whatever hoops any members deems to throw at me. I've been cordial and respectful to this point. But as I said earlier, I'm no ones doormat.And your threat to "out" me to the board if I didn't produce paperwork for you? Real nice.
Take care. >>
THIS IS IMPORTANT!
Just another example of how you play with words - I never threatened to out you if you didn't produce evidence - I told you to stop using the military reference if it's a lie - or then I would expose it - here's my PM to Jay or Ray or Johnson - or whatever your name is:
<< <i>jay
u said u were wounded in iraq or pak? i assume u got the purple heart? i would like to see a scan of your orders.
if this is just another "tale" to balance out the attack - i would prefer u stop it immediately!
i'm a veteran of vietnam and desert storm - retired in '97 - i would rather u not say stuff like this unless it's absolutely the truth.
if not the truth - i'm not gonna out u - but don't keep harping on this - because then - i will call u out publicly.
mike >>
My note to you was pretty plain - if true - no problem - I may ask for evidence - but if I smell a rat? I'm gonna let everyone know how I feel.
Playing on the sympathy of others - saying you served in the combat zone - saying your were wounded - is a smack in my face if you're lying - plain and simple. The amount of sacrifice that goes into the career of a soldier - can't be measured - that's all I was saying.
mike
<< <i>Did Jay claim to receive the Purple Heart? I was of the understanding that he did, but in a PM he brought it to my attention that he never said such a thing. If that's the case then I apologize for making that claim.
Lee
(ps- Jay, this is why you don't go back and edit/remove posts. So you can prove there's truth in what you're saying) >>
Lee
You're not really wrong on this - this is what Jay said:
<< <i>Was I banned from here? I seriously never knew. I was in the Army when I was on here before. I re-enlisted shortly after 9/11 and now getting out after being wounded my last tour. The past 2 1/2 years have been a blur. Not an excuse. >>
Then if ya check my pm to him - I asked - if he was wounded - he received the purple heart - correct? And if so - one would have orders for it.
No One gets wounded in action and not recieve the purple heart.
That was my point - so no apology is required IMO.
mike
<< <i>And now I remember why I used to act like such an ass to people. :rolls eyes: >>
Not very nice.
mike
<< <i>Well said Mike.
My Father is a Purple Heart recipient from Vietnam. It was awarded to him after shrapnel hit him when a Helicopter exploded near him. When I was a kid I asked him why he didnt have it up on the wall for display and you know what he said to me? He said he was ASHAMED of getting it for a minor injury while there were guys that got the same medal for losing limbs and getting killed, those were the guys who payed a much dearer price for the award.
I sincerley hope that you understand the ABSOLUTE IGNORANCE you displayed if in fact you claim to have received this award and you didnt. >>
Perkie
He never said he got the Purple Heart - he said he was wounded in his last tour - I asked IF he received the award - he never answered - instead he hit me with self-righteous indignation.
Like I said - we honor our wounded - we award the Purple Heart - if he received it? Fine. I'll up the ante from Lee. If he PM's me a copy of his orders? I'll give him a present also - in fact - I'll trade him my first born!
mike
Nightcrawler, my post (about 3 pages back) was said in general and not towards you or anyone for that matter.
Steve
<< <i>Well said Mike.
My Father is a Purple Heart recipient from Vietnam. It was awarded to him after shrapnel hit him when a Helicopter exploded near him. When I was a kid I asked him why he didnt have it up on the wall for display and you know what he said to me? He said he was ASHAMED of getting it for a minor injury while there were guys that got the same medal for losing limbs and getting killed, those were the guys who payed a much dearer price for the award.
I sincerley hope that you understand the ABSOLUTE IGNORANCE you displayed if in fact you claim to have received this award and you didnt. >>
Pretty close to the story on my dad, wounded twice in Vietnam, both times by friendly fire. Have never seen him display them or the like, despite 22 years of service.
The last time they left the piece in him. It got infected in the mid 80's and almost killed him. But in his mind, he never earned them.
Jay, you are the scum of scum.
Raw: Tony Gonzalez (low #'d cards, and especially 1/1's) and Steve Young.
I wasn't gonna get involved in this.
But, it's not about the hobby - it's not about 20 ID's - it's about honor - the service to a country.
I'm very sensitive to this - perhaps in part because of the fact that Vietnam vets never got the respect or the thanx for serving.
Soldiers don't pick the wars - they just serve - that's truly recognized by people now - and I appreciate that.
But, IF - one is lying about their service? That's just not fair.
Last - if Jay/Jason/EB31 woulda told me - in private - I wasn't wounded but injured - and didn't receive the Purple Heart this woulda been dropped.
I DIDN'T BRING THIS TO THE BOARD - HE DID!
But, I'm not gonna have him put this back on me as if I were picking on him.
mike
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As a keeping-it-real step towards 300, I would like to point out two things:
1. There is no non-circumstantial evidence that Jay's military story is untrue.
2. A person's failure to provide proofs of an alleged event is mere circumstantial
evidence that such an event might not have transpired.
On a side note, Anyone considering quitting the hobby over this thread?
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.
<< <i>Mike, not that means much coming from a guy behind a keyboard but your service, as well as others from that era, will always be highly respected and appreciated by me.
On a side note, Anyone considering quitting the hobby over this thread? >>
Not considering quitting, but I thought the thread from that idiot who asked if Sandy Koufax was a q***r was the most classless thread I'd read all year...I guess not - and the year is still young.
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<< <i>Mike, not that means much coming from a guy behind a keyboard but your service, as well as others from that era, will always be highly respected and appreciated by me.
On a side note, Anyone considering quitting the hobby over this thread? >>
Thanx for the kind words about service.
On the quitting?
I would say for all - IMO - Of course not.
This is just one of these things that happens here from time to time.
Like I said - this was just an event - Perry is a good guy and doesn't like "outing" people - he was just trying to insure no one got potentially stung - a la Gary D.
He brought this upon himself - I NEVER demanded proof - I PRIVATELY asked for proof and gave him an out - I'm still offering him that.
Lying about service is bad form IMO.
mike
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(3) 1st Lt Frank C. Marpe Jr and his crew became missing in action during the mission to Ploesti, Roumania on 5 April 1944. Following is a list of his crew: 2nd Lt Richard H. Middleton, 2nd Lt Joseph J. Joyce, 2nd Lt Lawrence B. Guthrie, T/Sgt Joe W. Dunn, T/Sgt Francis A. Matan, S/Sgt Earl E. Boren Jr, S/Sgt Marian D. Anderson, S/Sgt Jay R. Adair, S/Sgt Oscar C. Barnhill.
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I did find a Jay Adair who fought in Afghanistan. He's in Afghanistan now, and is a Major in the Canadian Army. This is Jay and he doesn't look like the myspace picture.
Guys like Mike, Rube, and Jason P. have earned the respect of this board through their service. They risked and risk their lives respectively to protect us. Whether we believe in what they're doing over there or not we have to respect them for what they're doing for us.
Very true.
I think the overwhelming majority of us thank you Stone, Jay (assuming he did really serve) and everybody that served.
I think it's clear Jay has a problem with the truth and that's sad. However, I think it's about time we let this dog lie down and we get back to the usual mundane forum talk.
Happy Friday to all (even Jay and Teknobaby).
peace.