I agree on Bure. He was amazing for the short time he played. I think he should be in the Hall. I was looking at his career stats last night and think he is up there with a Cam Neely and Mike Bossy for short careers and impact during their playing days.
As for Fedorov...here are his list of accomplishments...
[U-20] World Junior Championships - 1988 All-Star Team NHL All-Rookie Team - 1991 NHL First All-Star Team - 1994 NHL All-Star Game - 1992, 1994, 1996, 2001, 2002, 2003 NHL All-Star Game SuperSkills Competition - "Fastest Skater" Winner (1992, 1994), "Hardest Shot" Winner (2002) Hart Memorial Trophy - 1994 Lester B. Pearson Award - 1994 Frank J. Selke Trophy - 1994, 1996 Jackie Robinson Humanitarian Award - 2000 Kharlamov Trophy - 2003 1994 NHL Player of the Year by The Sporting News 2003 Best Skater in the NHL by The Hockey News Calder Trophy - 1991 (finalist) (2nd) Frank J. Selke Trophy - 1992 (finalist) (2nd), 1993 (4th), 1995 (4th) Lady Byng Trophy - 1994 (finalist) (4th) Hart Memorial Trophy - 1996 (finalist) (5th), 2003 (9th) NHL 1993–94 Season - Even Strength Goals (39) (1st) NHL 1995 Stanley Cup Playoffs - Point Scoring Leader (24) NHL 1995 Stanley Cup Playoffs - Assist Leader (17) NHL 1996 Stanley Cup Playoffs - Assist Leader (18) NHL 1998 Stanley Cup Playoffs - Goal Scoring Leader (10)[17] 3rd player only in NHL history to have four consecutive 20+ Point Stanley Cup Playoffs campaigns (1995–98) 3rd overall in Stanley Cup Playoffs scoring in the 1990s - (134) points One of only 44 players in NHL history to score 5 goals in a game 5th all-time in Red Wings team history in points, goals and assists. NHL All-Time Regular season short-handed goals: 8th (36) NHL All-Time Regular season game-winning goals: 9th (93) NHL All-Time Playoff points: 13th (176) NHL All-Time Playoff short-handed goals: 12th (5) NHL All-Time Playoff assists: 8th (124) NHL All-Time Playoff Plus-minus: 17th (+38) 3-time NHL Stanley Cup Champion: 1997, 1998, 2002, all with the Detroit Red Wings 1990 Goodwill Games: Gold medal 1996 World Cup of Hockey: (Semi-finalists - 3rd (Tie)) 1998 Winter Olympics: Silver medal 2002 Winter Olympics: Bronze medal 2005 Primus Challenge Bowl for World'Stars 1988 World Junior Hockey Championships: Silver medal 1989 World Junior Hockey Championships: Gold medal 1989 World Ice Hockey Championships: Gold medal 1990 World Ice Hockey Championships: Gold medal 2008 World Ice Hockey Championships: Gold medal 2010 World Ice Hockey Championships: Silver medal
and with a career stat line of GP 1,248, Goals 483, Assists 696 and Totals 1,179 I think he is a lock too.
See, that's what I like about these boards. Now my opinion on Fedorov has swayed! As for Bure, I think he has the most 50 (5) and 60 (2) goal seasons of anyone eligible for the HOF but not yet in. This year is wide open after Belfour, so we should see some much-needed backlog clearage.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Love to see Bure and Oates get in this year, Vince. Fingers crossed.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Belfour and Andreychuk are also strong candidates, as is Makarov. I'd love to see Mark Howe finally get in.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
For what it's worth, if I had it MY way, the new class would be Howe, Bure, Oates and Belfour. I know I'm in the minority, but I don't like Nieuwendyk as a Hall-of-Famer. He only had four season with 80 or more points and never hit 100. Also only four 40-goal seasons. All of this came in his first five years in the league. After that he was nothing special. But judging by the collective shock of him not getting in last year, I think he'll make it this year. No idea why he is considered far superior to Turgeon, but that seems to be the case.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
100% agree with Andy. J N was nothing special....just a good HK player. Oates is the local fav and definately goes in. I would be in favor of putting in a few of the old timers that Vince has promoted.
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Howe (yeah!), Nieuwendyk, Belfour and Gilmour. Congrats to the Class of 2011.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Great question, Mathew. He's uber deserving. I hope Oates and Bure make it in soon. Next year will be tough with Sakic and Shanahan locks for 2 of the 4 spots.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Fetisov and Larionov also have rookies in the '90 UD set.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
I think it's a well chosen class. While I've never been a huge Gilmour fan I have come around to seeing him as a HOFer. Great to see Howe get in -- I now think Housley and a couple of other defensemen from the 70's and 80's will get their due. Belfour was always getting in -- it was just a question of when. 1st ballot is surprising but not shocking.
Joey New is one of those players that hockey purists love. He did everything well and provided great leadership. While his offensive stats weren't Gretzky-like, he also played in the trap years. His D was solid, he was one of the best faceoff guys and won 3 Cups with 3 different teams. Compare him to Shanahan and although he wasn't flashy he had a better PPG average -- and almost everyone I speak to think Shanny is a first ballot guy.
One guy I think will get in eventually is Guy Carbonneau -- will just take a few years.
As for Bure and Oates -- next year will be tough but would be great to see them get in with Sakic and Shanahan.
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Yes, Sundin and Roenick will be first timers on next years ballot. The only other first timers with eventual HOF chances are Curtis Joseph and Claude Lemieux. The year after that will have Rob Blake and Scott Niedermeyer so a couple of forwards might slip in that year. The ballot is certainly getting crowded with good candidates.
<< <i> Yes, Sundin and Roenick will be first timers on next years ballot. The only other first timers with eventual HOF chances are Curtis Joseph and Claude Lemieux. >>
Unless he's been playing professionally overseas since leaving the NHL, I think Sergei Fedorov is also on the ballot for the first time next year. Tkachuk is eligible for the first time in 2013 with Blake and Niedermayer. In 2014 we have Chelios and Recchi.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
<< <i>Fedorov has played in the KHL the last two seasons. >>
That being said then...next year I think
Joe Sakic, Mats Sundin and Brendan Shanahan are all 1st ballot hall of famers and the fourth should be Adam Oates. I think Roenick has to wait a year or two.
My early prediction: Sakic, Shanahan, Oates and Bure.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Sweet cards. Nice going on the Yzerman. Thanks for sharing.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Seems like this thread gets updated once a year: Chelios, Niedermeyer, Shanahan, Heaney and Fred Shero in the builder's category. All elected to the Hall today. Anybody surprised? Next year, I think Hasek, Modano and Forsberg go to the ballot.
<< <i>Seems like this thread gets updated once a year: Chelios, Niedermeyer, Shanahan, Heaney and Fred Shero in the builder's category. All elected to the Hall today. Anybody surprised? Next year, I think Hasek, Modano and Forsberg go to the ballot. >>
The consensus was that Chelios, Niedermayer and Shanahan (after getting snubbed last year) were all locks, so it's no surprise that they all got in. The only surprise is that the committee didn't elect a fourth male player given the backlog of deserving candidates. Good to know that Hasek is eligible next year. I lost track of when he was going to eligible given his years of post-NHL international play. I'd have to say that Hasek and Modano are locks in 2014. Forsberg, not so much. Great talent, but he missed too much time to injury. He will get in, but it might take a few years like it did for Bure. Makarov, Blake, Andreychuk, Tkachuk, Housley and Lindros (yuck - hope he never gets in) are all good candidates for the 3 and 4 spots next year. One interesting tidbit I learned about Andreychuk recently is the he is the number one power play scorer of all time. Add that to his 640 goals and I think he has waited long enough.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
Perhaps stating the obvious but pretty late on Shero. For a coach to win back-to-back cups 6 or 7 years after team being admitted to the NHL is incredible to me. (I'm a Bruin fan.) Too much politics in all of the various HOF's. I tend to ignore them all but didn't want you to go another year without a post.... - Kevin M.
Kinda adding to what Andy said...Forserg just didn't do it long and good enough. A few very good years doesn't make a hof'er. No comparison to Bure as he wasn't close to the rocket's talent. Modano gets in next year. Hasek is a slam dunk.
Stil no ove for the older forgotten guys. Does HK have a veterans committee?
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The comparison to Bure, Jay, was that Forsberg had some great years but didn't do it long enough due to injury. And I think Forsberg might follow a similar route to the HOF wherein he has to wait a few years. They were certainly completely different players. No VC for hockey, but I think there probably should be.
"My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. Our childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When we were insolent we were placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds - pretty standard really."
I agree Forsberg had big time talent. He has a chance fior the HOF. I just rate Bure much higher and when considering short injury ladden carears...he had the extra edge.
Makes you want to appreciate Bobby Orr even more. Had he been injury free and could have played longer...the discussion of best ever
(I still rate him #1) wouldn't even have a close 2nd.
You can almost add Lindros to that talent but injury plagued carear....but I rate him less than Bure and Forsberg.
Too bad Vince Bellier hasn't chimed in. He has tremendous HK knowledge and the one to ask about the older guys.
Yes the HK hof needs a VC.
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Where do I even start with the HHOF selection process and inductees?
Burns should be in - the only coach to win the Jack Adams trophy 3 times and he did it with 3 different teams. That might explain why he isn't in the HOF - pissed too many GM's off. Ridiculous he isn't in as a coach already.
In the veteran category, how can Vachon, JC Tremblay or Claude Provost not be in? I've howled about Tremblay before but Provost played on 9 Cup-winning Hab teams - 9 Cups!!!! He was also on 11 All Star teams when that actually meant something. The voters have their heads up their a$$es. Vachon is another example of quality being overlooked in favour of accumulators. When he retired he was 5th all time in wins playing for mainly crap teams in LA - but he also won 3 Cups with Montreal, a Vezina trophy and was the MVP of the 1976 Canada Cup. Let him in already and stop talking about Cujo, Vernon, Vanbiesbrouck, Osgoode or Richter. Belfour's in for pete's sake!!
I think Forsberg should be a 1st ballot HOFer. Injuries cut his production and his career short but for a good while he was dominant and arguably the best player in the world. 2 Cups, an Art Ross trophy and Hart trophy plus the Calder, 1st Team NHL allstar 3 times, 2 Olympic Gold Medals, 2 World Championships. No brainer to me. He was a stud.
I've changed my mind on Lindros and now think he should be in. He was the most dominant player and scariest player in the world for a while. The 6th fastest player to reach 600 points, Canada's all time WJC points leader (by 6 points) and he also won a Hart trophy. Who was the scarier player to face - Neely or Lindros. No contest in my opinion.
Mogilny should also be in - over a PPG during his career at a time when clutch and grab hockey was the norm. Absolute stud.
Give me 5 years of dominance over Dave Andreychuk any day. Not to say DA was a bad player but he doesn't belong in the HOF until others get in.
I also think Paul Henderson should get in although it's mainly for his Canada Cup contribution. The guy scored the winning goals in games 6, 7 and 8. It's the defining moment for Canadian hockey and without him we lose. Put him in for that fact alone - and take Dick Duff out. Or Bernie Federko. Or Doug Gilmour. Or Ed Belfour. Or Ciccarelli. You get where I'm going.
I'd like to see Jeremy Roenick in there as well. He was annoying but for 7-8 years he was awesome.
Jay, I agree about Orr's dominance but I rate Lemieux above all others. Gretzky was the best because he had dominance and longevity but I look at Orr and Lemieux as 1b and 1c. Injuries deprived fans of their awesomeness. I rank Mike Bossy just behind them. Never seen a better pure goalscorer. Pity about his back. He never had less than a PPG in any season and his lowest goal total in any season was 38. Freak.
One crazy stat for Gretzky - he had 1 (ONE!!!) season where he didn't get at least a point per game. His last year with the Rangers. It never happened in the playoffs. That's over 20 years.
I could talk hockey all day.
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I think at his best, Forsberg was a better player than Recchi, but it is possible that Forsberg waits until 2015 to get voted in due to longevity of Recchi's career and total NHL points even though it is the hockey hall of fame, not the NHL hall of fame.
Remember, one player not to overlook who will be an absolute sure thing for 1st year eligibility induction upon eventual retirement is Hayley Wickenheiser.
" I rank Mike Bossy just behind them. Never seen a better pure goalscorer. Pity about his back. He never had less than a PPG in any season and his lowest goal total in any season was 38. Freak."
I was glad to read that. Bossy gets so overlooked. Truly is one of the greatest players ever.
I'm glad Vince chimed in. Only a true canadian would say Paul henderson is a HOF'er. Great player. That 72 series lifted Henderson to Canadians what Charles Lindberg was to the USA. Within the last year I saw a rerun and highlights of that series. What a series. One of my childhood heroes Bobby Clarke wins cheap hit of the series.
Not only was Henderson amazing but every goal was a game breaker. Hofer or not Henderson's card is priced like he is.
I agree on Bossy. He was a goal machine. Had he not been so outspoken about HK violence he would have ben looked upon as more than the credit he gets.
I will say I do have a couple of cards based solely on the opinion of Mr. Bellier of veterans who I was not able to see play. Hopefully if they keep ignoring the plder guys maybe the could have a one time looksy like baseball did with the negro leagues.
Hopefull after this last season and the great playoff games it will bring back more HK fans.
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Wow! I cannot believe it has been two years since somebody posted in this thread. Fedorov, Housely, Pronger, Lidstrom the latest NHLers added to the Hall with Angela Ruggiero added as well.
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[U-20] World Junior Championships - 1988 All-Star Team
NHL All-Rookie Team - 1991
NHL First All-Star Team - 1994
NHL All-Star Game - 1992, 1994, 1996, 2001, 2002, 2003
NHL All-Star Game SuperSkills Competition - "Fastest Skater" Winner (1992, 1994), "Hardest Shot" Winner (2002)
Hart Memorial Trophy - 1994
Lester B. Pearson Award - 1994
Frank J. Selke Trophy - 1994, 1996
Jackie Robinson Humanitarian Award - 2000
Kharlamov Trophy - 2003
1994 NHL Player of the Year by The Sporting News
2003 Best Skater in the NHL by The Hockey News
Calder Trophy - 1991 (finalist) (2nd)
Frank J. Selke Trophy - 1992 (finalist) (2nd), 1993 (4th), 1995 (4th)
Lady Byng Trophy - 1994 (finalist) (4th)
Hart Memorial Trophy - 1996 (finalist) (5th), 2003 (9th)
NHL 1993–94 Season - Even Strength Goals (39) (1st)
NHL 1995 Stanley Cup Playoffs - Point Scoring Leader (24)
NHL 1995 Stanley Cup Playoffs - Assist Leader (17)
NHL 1996 Stanley Cup Playoffs - Assist Leader (18)
NHL 1998 Stanley Cup Playoffs - Goal Scoring Leader (10)[17]
3rd player only in NHL history to have four consecutive 20+ Point Stanley Cup Playoffs campaigns (1995–98)
3rd overall in Stanley Cup Playoffs scoring in the 1990s - (134) points
One of only 44 players in NHL history to score 5 goals in a game
5th all-time in Red Wings team history in points, goals and assists.
NHL All-Time Regular season short-handed goals: 8th (36)
NHL All-Time Regular season game-winning goals: 9th (93)
NHL All-Time Playoff points: 13th (176)
NHL All-Time Playoff short-handed goals: 12th (5)
NHL All-Time Playoff assists: 8th (124)
NHL All-Time Playoff Plus-minus: 17th (+38)
3-time NHL Stanley Cup Champion: 1997, 1998, 2002, all with the Detroit Red Wings
1990 Goodwill Games: Gold medal
1996 World Cup of Hockey: (Semi-finalists - 3rd (Tie))
1998 Winter Olympics: Silver medal
2002 Winter Olympics: Bronze medal
2005 Primus Challenge Bowl for World'Stars
1988 World Junior Hockey Championships: Silver medal
1989 World Junior Hockey Championships: Gold medal
1989 World Ice Hockey Championships: Gold medal
1990 World Ice Hockey Championships: Gold medal
2008 World Ice Hockey Championships: Gold medal
2010 World Ice Hockey Championships: Silver medal
and with a career stat line of GP 1,248, Goals 483, Assists 696 and Totals 1,179 I think he is a lock too.
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I was gonna write all that stuff Mathew wrote about Federov but my computer screen ran out of ink.
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Let Oates in already too.
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Nieuwendyk, Gilmour, Oates, Bure
Belfour and Andreychuk are also strong candidates, as is Makarov. I'd love to see Mark Howe finally get in.
<< <i>Nieuwendyk, Gilmour, Oates, Bure >>
And that is the way it should look tomorrow when they announce the new members.
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Oates is the local fav and definately goes in.
I would be in favor of putting in a few of the old timers that Vince has promoted.
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That being said, when will Oates ever get in?
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Joey New is one of those players that hockey purists love. He did everything well and provided great leadership. While his offensive stats weren't Gretzky-like, he also played in the trap years. His D was solid, he was one of the best faceoff guys and won 3 Cups with 3 different teams. Compare him to Shanahan and although he wasn't flashy he had a better PPG average -- and almost everyone I speak to think Shanny is a first ballot guy.
One guy I think will get in eventually is Guy Carbonneau -- will just take a few years.
As for Bure and Oates -- next year will be tough but would be great to see them get in with Sakic and Shanahan.
<< <i>As for Bure and Oates -- next year will be tough but would be great to see them get in with Sakic and Shanahan. >>
I think Sundin and Roenick are also on the ballot next year too. Tough year for holdovers.
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<< <i> Yes, Sundin and Roenick will be first timers on next years ballot. The only other first timers with eventual HOF chances are Curtis Joseph and Claude Lemieux. >>
Unless he's been playing professionally overseas since leaving the NHL, I think Sergei Fedorov is also on the ballot for the first time next year. Tkachuk is eligible for the first time in 2013 with Blake and Niedermayer. In 2014 we have Chelios and Recchi.
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<< <i>Fedorov has played in the KHL the last two seasons. >>
That being said then...next year I think
Joe Sakic, Mats Sundin and Brendan Shanahan are all 1st ballot hall of famers and the fourth should be Adam Oates. I think Roenick has to wait a year or two.
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and here are a couple of hockey rookie cards that i added to my collection while at The National:
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<< <i>Seems like this thread gets updated once a year: Chelios, Niedermeyer, Shanahan, Heaney and Fred Shero in the builder's category. All elected to the Hall today. Anybody surprised? Next year, I think Hasek, Modano and Forsberg go to the ballot. >>
The consensus was that Chelios, Niedermayer and Shanahan (after getting snubbed last year) were all locks, so it's no surprise that they all got in. The only surprise is that the committee didn't elect a fourth male player given the backlog of deserving candidates. Good to know that Hasek is eligible next year. I lost track of when he was going to eligible given his years of post-NHL international play. I'd have to say that Hasek and Modano are locks in 2014. Forsberg, not so much. Great talent, but he missed too much time to injury. He will get in, but it might take a few years like it did for Bure. Makarov, Blake, Andreychuk, Tkachuk, Housley and Lindros (yuck - hope he never gets in) are all good candidates for the 3 and 4 spots next year. One interesting tidbit I learned about Andreychuk recently is the he is the number one power play scorer of all time. Add that to his 640 goals and I think he has waited long enough.
A few very good years doesn't make a hof'er. No comparison to Bure as he wasn't close to
the rocket's talent. Modano gets in next year. Hasek is a slam dunk.
Stil no ove for the older forgotten guys. Does HK have a veterans committee?
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Makes you want to appreciate Bobby Orr even more. Had he been injury free and could have played longer...the discussion of best ever
(I still rate him #1) wouldn't even have a close 2nd.
You can almost add Lindros to that talent but injury plagued carear....but I rate him less than Bure and Forsberg.
Too bad Vince Bellier hasn't chimed in. He has tremendous HK knowledge and the one to ask about the older guys.
Yes the HK hof needs a VC.
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Burns should be in - the only coach to win the Jack Adams trophy 3 times and he did it with 3 different teams. That might explain why he isn't in the HOF - pissed too many GM's off. Ridiculous he isn't in as a coach already.
In the veteran category, how can Vachon, JC Tremblay or Claude Provost not be in? I've howled about Tremblay before but Provost played on 9 Cup-winning Hab teams - 9 Cups!!!! He was also on 11 All Star teams when that actually meant something. The voters have their heads up their a$$es. Vachon is another example of quality being overlooked in favour of accumulators. When he retired he was 5th all time in wins playing for mainly crap teams in LA - but he also won 3 Cups with Montreal, a Vezina trophy and was the MVP of the 1976 Canada Cup. Let him in already and stop talking about Cujo, Vernon, Vanbiesbrouck, Osgoode or Richter. Belfour's in for pete's sake!!
I think Forsberg should be a 1st ballot HOFer. Injuries cut his production and his career short but for a good while he was dominant and arguably the best player in the world. 2 Cups, an Art Ross trophy and Hart trophy plus the Calder, 1st Team NHL allstar 3 times, 2 Olympic Gold Medals, 2 World Championships. No brainer to me. He was a stud.
I've changed my mind on Lindros and now think he should be in. He was the most dominant player and scariest player in the world for a while. The 6th fastest player to reach 600 points, Canada's all time WJC points leader (by 6 points) and he also won a Hart trophy. Who was the scarier player to face - Neely or Lindros. No contest in my opinion.
Mogilny should also be in - over a PPG during his career at a time when clutch and grab hockey was the norm. Absolute stud.
Give me 5 years of dominance over Dave Andreychuk any day. Not to say DA was a bad player but he doesn't belong in the HOF until others get in.
I also think Paul Henderson should get in although it's mainly for his Canada Cup contribution. The guy scored the winning goals in games 6, 7 and 8. It's the defining moment for Canadian hockey and without him we lose. Put him in for that fact alone - and take Dick Duff out. Or Bernie Federko. Or Doug Gilmour. Or Ed Belfour. Or Ciccarelli. You get where I'm going.
I'd like to see Jeremy Roenick in there as well. He was annoying but for 7-8 years he was awesome.
Jay, I agree about Orr's dominance but I rate Lemieux above all others. Gretzky was the best because he had dominance and longevity but I look at Orr and Lemieux as 1b and 1c. Injuries deprived fans of their awesomeness. I rank Mike Bossy just behind them. Never seen a better pure goalscorer. Pity about his back. He never had less than a PPG in any season and his lowest goal total in any season was 38. Freak.
One crazy stat for Gretzky - he had 1 (ONE!!!) season where he didn't get at least a point per game. His last year with the Rangers. It never happened in the playoffs. That's over 20 years.
I could talk hockey all day.
Pat Burns
Mark Recchi
Mike Modano
Dominik Hasek
I think at his best, Forsberg was a better player than Recchi, but it is possible that Forsberg waits until 2015 to get voted in due to longevity of Recchi's career and total NHL points even though it is the hockey hall of fame, not the NHL hall of fame.
Remember, one player not to overlook who will be an absolute sure thing for 1st year eligibility induction upon eventual retirement is Hayley Wickenheiser.
I was glad to read that. Bossy gets so overlooked. Truly is one of the greatest players ever.
Great player.
That 72 series lifted Henderson to Canadians what Charles Lindberg was to the USA.
Within the last year I saw a rerun and highlights of that series. What a series. One of my childhood heroes Bobby Clarke wins cheap hit of the series.
Not only was Henderson amazing but every goal was a game breaker. Hofer or not Henderson's card is priced like he is.
I agree on Bossy. He was a goal machine. Had he not been so outspoken about HK violence he would have ben looked upon
as more than the credit he gets.
I will say I do have a couple of cards based solely on the opinion of Mr. Bellier of veterans who I was not able to see play. Hopefully if they keep ignoring the
plder guys maybe the could have a one time looksy like baseball did with the negro leagues.
Hopefull after this last season and the great playoff games it will bring back more HK fans.
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
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The playoffs and the cup chase are second to none for excitement. A good friend is a hawks fan so
he is in his glory.
To get this thread going how about some input........who playing now is headed to the HOF ???
Who has retired and headed to the HOF ????
Ovi and Crosby are 2 obvious ones. Stamkos is only 25 and has a fantastic career going......
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets