***NEW PICS***Barber Half: Harshly cleaned? Whats the details grade? Whats the approx value?
gecko109
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Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry
A seller without ethics, posting a fuzzy pic, L@@K MS64++++ might be able to find a stupid mark online for $150, depending on how low a person wants to stoop and how clueless the bidders are that show up.
bob
<< <i>I'm not a Barber collector, but my uninformed opinions: AU details, nasty look to it, maybe $20 if I were buying.
A seller without ethics, posting a fuzzy pic, L@@K MS64++++ might be able to find a stupid mark online for $150, depending on how low a person wants to stoop and how clueless the bidders are that show up. >>
I know im a bit biased, but saying this is worth maybe $20 really does show that you are not a Barber collector, just like you said. If you see any quarters or halves similar to this one for $20, snap them all up, and i'll kindly double your money.
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<< <i>Hairlined, AU55, $37.50 plus the juice
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<< <i>Hairlined, AU55, $37.50 plus the juice
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From the picture I can't really see any, just a shiny reflective coin.
<< <i>How bad are the hairlines on the coin?
From the picture I can't really see any, just a shiny reflective coin. >>
There are light lines on the cheek and neck, none on the reverse. I would like to attribute them as slide friction, but they are mostly north/south rather than east/west. Also, they are not all parrallel. Its definately been at least wiped, but how badly is what im trying to figure out from your guy's opinions.
AU 53 deatils / scratched - Net VF 35 - $85
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I'll bid $75 just so you don't feel too insulted
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Your lighting makes it tough to tell, but it does look cleaned (maybe not harshly)
Whats the details grade?
AU
Whats the approx value?
$75-$100
<< <i>Do you feel the love ?
I'll bid $75 just so you don't feel too insulted
$75 would be very insulting. The coin is listed in "Coin Prices" mag at $93.50 in VF!!!! This coin is a LONG way from VF, or even VF money. I'll wager that it hammers for just over $200, as Frank suggested.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
Ken
I guess it ain't love then. However, I've enjoyed the visit.
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Details? Looks EF45 to AU50 to me. I see I'm with TomB on this one. That's good company to be in.
I can't tell you how bad you got "effed" on it because I don't know what you paid and I'd rather not stick a value on it, but I will say that I don't dislike it. Sure, it has some originality issues, perhaps, and there are better looking ones out there, but I don't think it's that bad at all.
Maybe that's just because I am mostly accustomed to handling AG-VG pieces.
<< <i>Wow! You guys are all over the map on this one. Price guesstimates from $20 to $200? Thats one hell of a spread. It will be listed tonight at 6pm PST on ebay as a cleaned piece. Lets so which of you guessed correctly.
I hope you have image software to correct the color balance..unless that's really a yellow-brown piece of paper you photographed it against.
<< <i>I will apologize in advance for what I have to say about the coin, but it's my candid opinion. You have an ugly, problem coin which screams "body bag." Additionally, it looks like it was dipped and retoned; I shall be kind and not further describe the toning. I would not want this coin, even at melt. Unless someone gave you the coin as a gift, you're going to have a hard time unloading it at a price you consider to be acceptable. >>
While I asked for opinions, and usually respect them even if I tend to disagree, you just said you would not want this coin for $6, and that has destroyed any credibility on this topic that you may have had.
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<< <i>I'll let my mouse do the talkin' >>
Damn you AND your $75 proxy bid!
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<< <i>Phil you are a funny guy. I appreciate the candid responses. >>
Thanks Joe. You will ALWAYS get honesty from me. Even though I am often wrong on things, but because I believe im right (even when im dead wrong) that too can be considered honesty. Anyway, this coin, and another 19 type coins, will start their 7 day auction cycle on ebay in just a few minutes. All will start at .01 with no reserves. My username on ebay is metalman109. To the mods, or other "upset" members here: This thread was NOT meant to be an infomercial at all. The only reason I brought ebay up was to prove to a few members here that this coin will sell for more than $6 as one guy said, and even more than $20 as another suggested. Perhaps I should turn it into a giveaway of some sort for the person who guesses the final price. Of course it would not be this coin that would be the prize, but something a bit more modest. Let me mull it over before I do anything officially!
A body bag to me is damaged goods, and I don't want damaged goods as part of my collection. I also don't want AT'd coins which some parties deem to be "market acceptable" in my collection, either. I really don't care what some (fill in the blank) will give you for this coin, to me it isn't worth $6 for the reasons I stated above. I'd value a problem free AG 3 of this date more than the problem-coin which you show here.
If you don't want honest opinions about coin(s), please don't ask for them.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
P.S. I would scale down the pics on Ebay about 1/2 to 1/3 less, but describe the problems as best as you can.
Tyler
<< <i>I will apologize in advance for what I have to say about the coin, but it's my candid opinion. You have an ugly, problem coin which screams "body bag." Additionally, it looks like it was dipped and retoned; I shall be kind and not further describe the toning. I would not want this coin, even at melt. Unless someone gave you the coin as a gift, you're going to have a hard time unloading it at a price you consider to be acceptable. >>
I like coins like this. I'll buy em all day long for $100-$150 each, and I'll back it up with my mouth and my deep pockets.
How many rolls can you find and sell me?
There are some collectors that don't want problem coins at any price and aren't interested in flipping coins. For them, the coin is basically worth melt. If you walked the coin at a large show, I'm sure many dealers would say "pass" or offer very low, perhaps even lower than my $20. Those offers wouldn't be an insult--the dealers just don't sell problem coins retail, and may not want to take the time to try and wholesale them.
There are plenty of collectors that like problem coins and bid them up. That's fine. I see some are quoting their retail price, what they would price the coin at in their case. No problem with that either, but I suspect for a problem coin, their wholesale bid on the coin is going to be a lot less of a percentage than for a no problem coin. That is the real problem with problem coins, the retail is generally multiples of typical wholesale.
A lot will depend on how the coin is described. If a seller describes it as harshly cleaned, bidders are going to be much more cautious. If described as possibly lightly cleaned, looks uncirculated, bids are going to be 3x as strong vs. the harshly cleaned wording.
This one with a similar washed out look sold for $65
listed with XF details.
One more point: it is bad form to post a guess the grade, guess the value type of thread, on the main coin forum and then offer the coin for auction or sale. If everyone did this, it would turn the forum into a circus. Perhaps the original poster didn't know this so might be excused this one time.
Basically, it is rude and inconsiderate behavior. There are dozens of dealers with dozens or hundreds of coins for sale. If each of them play this charade of guess the grade, and oh by the way, the coin is now on Ebay or for sale for best offer, the forum would be overrun with these "ads."
but do see a light wipe with a jewelers cloth
could you give an angle shot of the obverse showing the
parallel lines I usually associate with harsh cleaning?
I was thinking XF45-AU50 depending on luster
approx value at $120-$200 - depending on luster and if the harsh cleaning you mention does exist
I'm with Tyler. Scale down the images and describe the issues.
I go with $120-$180.
Looking for Denmark 1874 20-Kroner. Please offer.
<< <i>Look I mentioned $20 as my personal buy price. I said I don't collect Barbers. Understand. It isn't an insult, you asked my opinion and I gave an honest opinion, only to be insulted by your attitude.
There are some collectors that don't want problem coins at any price and aren't interested in flipping coins. For them, the coin is basically worth melt. If you walked the coin at a large show, I'm sure many dealers would say "pass" or offer very low, perhaps even lower than my $20. Those offers wouldn't be an insult--the dealers just don't sell problem coins retail, and may not want to take the time to try and wholesale them.
There are plenty of collectors that like problem coins and bid them up. That's fine. I see some are quoting their retail price, what they would price the coin at in their case. No problem with that either, but I suspect for a problem coin, their wholesale bid on the coin is going to be a lot less of a percentage than for a no problem coin. That is the real problem with problem coins, the retail is generally multiples of typical wholesale.
A lot will depend on how the coin is described. If a seller describes it as harshly cleaned, bidders are going to be much more cautious. If described as possibly lightly cleaned, looks uncirculated, bids are going to be 3x as strong vs. the harshly cleaned wording. >>
I did not ask "what would YOU pay". I asked the approximate value. Although a PR70 dcam plat eagle might have an approx value of $3500 or more, I personally would not spend more than close to melt, because moderns dont interest me. But if a member asked for its approx value, the answer would NOT be what I am personally willing to pay, but rather the market value of the piece. Now you may understand why I was harsh on your answer.
Add to that is the fact you don't have greysheet and bluesheet values for problem coins. So while some people are willing to buy and sell these kind of coins, there's not an established market for them like there is for a say, 1883 CC $ in PC 5. One guy said he's give you $100 to $150 for these kind of coins, while I wouldn't pay melt for them. Your value is somewhere in that range.
"Seu cabra da peste,
"Sou Mangueira......."
<< <i>Once again, Gecko, you are missing the point. Red Tiger re-phrased what I posted on two different occasions. A coin's value is what someone is willing to pay for it.
Add to that is the fact you don't have greysheet and bluesheet values for problem coins. So while some people are willing to buy and sell these kind of coins, there's not an established market for them like there is for a say, 1883 CC $ in PC 5. One guy said he's give you $100 to $150 for these kind of coins, while I wouldn't pay melt for them. Your value is somewhere in that range. >>
Again, I'll be more than happy to buy as many coins like that
that you or anyone can sell me, raw or slabbed for $100-$150.
I'm ready to put up now.
<< <i>lightly cleaned (but has since toned over), XF45 details. >>
I agree!
<< <i>I don't see harshly cleaned
but do see a light wipe with a jewelers cloth
could you give an angle shot of the obverse showing the
parallel lines I usually associate with harsh cleaning?
I was thinking XF45-AU50 depending on luster
approx value at $120-$200 - depending on luster and if the harsh cleaning you mention does exist >>
Sorry about the delay in getting back to you with angle pics. Better late than never.
I gave the market value answer of $150 along with the $20 number, so your attitude is misplaced. How about an apology to me for your mean spirited replies? I also posted two coins from Teletrade with a range of $65 to $280. How about a "thank you" to me for doing that leg work for you?
As it stands, I would never bid on your auctions or your BST because you have shown yourself to be a jerk on several occasions. I would advise anyone asking to also steer clear. The reason is that if there is a problem, odds are that the buyer is going to get more attitude, and excuses, instead of an apology and resolution. This thread and other threads show that.
<< <i>I'm not a Barber collector, but my uninformed opinions: AU details, nasty look to it, maybe $20 if I were buying. >>
Wow, you guys were hard on this one, I'd take all the barber halfs I could find that looked like this for $20-$60. Anyways, I recommended the coin to my brother who was looking for a decent barber for his 7070, he ended up winning it and paying just over a $100 with shipping. Like me, he likes his coins white, so after a quick dip in ezest here are some after shots. Main problem looks like the coin was wiped across obverse, reverse has beautiful look to it in my opinion ( and I don't like Barbers at all):
And for those of you who don't like dipping, don't worry this coin is going to be locked up in his 7070 set for longer than you or I will probably live!