Tim: Congratulations on that great cross! "Required" to send - nothing of course. What might be nice - dinner for two on you?... tell the board member to pick a nice local restaurant and enjoy the evening out on you and your boy?
Wondercoin
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
Note to self: Words of wisdom to live by-----> Good deals ok to share publicly. Bad deals negotiate privately, take your lumps, learn from them and move forward
The moral of the story IMO: Fully discuss all expectations of the proposed transaction, communicate, and negotiate, compromise to arrive at a happy medium. Never take it or make it personal and above all keep it business like all the while promoting professionalism 1st!
<< <i>griv if this thread bothers you so much why read it? whew you sound like maybe some rest and relaxation might be in order. Most are just commenting but you seem to want to go into attack mode.
<< <i>griv if this thread bothers you so much why read it? whew you sound like maybe some rest and relaxation might be in order. Most are just commenting but you seem to want to go into attack mode.
<< <i>I believe that we have a ligit shot at 300 posts if we just contuinue to hash over the same malarky that we have been hashing over and over again.
I still would like to know what the coin is now worth since the pops went from 19/3 to 35/3. I certainly wouldn't say $400!
And by the way, wasn't this Forum dead anyway? This thread has livened up ther place.
Later, Paul.
P.S. I still need a 1956 MS66/67FB. >>
And since it seems people are posting their "Want Lists" here now, then here's mine, too:
<< <i>griv if this thread bothers you so much why read it? whew you sound like maybe some rest and relaxation might be in order. Most are just commenting but you seem to want to go into attack mode.
AL >>
No kidding, what a maroon! >>
Bugger off Elvis. >>
Thats not Elvis, you do however seem to love his Kool-Aid
25 of 111 posts on the CU forum by you was in this thread alone. I think your mule may be a donkey. I do however like the Dimes you just posted links to.
Paul I'm going to ease your pain, I'll send you $15.00 for it. Thats $5.00 over the price guide for a 64FB. No need to thank me, and do you still do the free shipping?
These threads are always interesting to read as it helps me sort out who I would enjoy having a beer with and who I wouldn't. I am the type of person who no matter how much money I stand to make on a deal would try to act as fairly as I could for if not it would be a slap in the face to those who raised me and what I believe in. This doesn't imply I am a good person just that I try to hold onto what I believe in. Having said that I believe Dimeman is out of line for posting this thread.
Paul categorically told you that this was a FB coin. At that point you had two choices, get the coin back or take the $50. You made the choice, no one else forced you to make that choice but yourself. You made the choice to believe PCGS and not Paul. Niether one of the two parties deserves the criticism I've have seen doled out here. Its lame and poor form to publicly announce on a forum that you need the money to garner sympathy. Some things in life if they are true should be kept private. If its true as Paul has said that you in the meantime continue to purchase other coins then you have not been entirely truthful to us.
Finally if you can't see why by your comments that Paul retracted his kind offer then you have a weak grasp on reality. I find your comments hollow as a collector and a member here not being fully aware that TPG's will change their grade opinion on resubmissions. Quite frankly I fail to see any reasonable excuse for you not to own up to your own responsibility in this transaction other than acting like a child.
BTW tact is not my strong suit as others will testify too but at least you got my honest reaction after having thought about it. Whether it means anything is up to you.
I have been reading this thread for a week, and the only thing I have to add is how rediculious Jon's comments are. I self proclaimed dime expert sending coins to someone else for help, then accusing than same good natured person with trying to rip him off. I can attest that if you claim is valet then you better pony up a check to Dick Osbourne for some of those capped bust coins you purchased and managed to get in holders. Paul has been nothing but help to anyone that asked when it comes to Roosies. Your claim that he knew it was a full band coin is moronic at best. There is no one who can predict what PCGS will do. If you thought the coin was worth more, than you should have refused the check, and asked for the dime to be returned. Stop accumulating coins and start collecting, and this will not happen to you. Paul hats off on a great score!!! Fred
This an integrity issue.As i read from post one my opinion was formed then changed due to one party reaching out to resolve this. I do believe that the $150 offered was unexpected and a fair way to complete this problem then move on to more important things in life
I swore I wouldn't read this thread and am more surprised to respond.
I wouldn't do that except it's at the top anyway so it's no big loss.
I've never done business with Stooge but would not hesitate to do so. I've never done business with DimeMan either but wouldn't hesitate. Granted, it might be a good idea to spell out terms but I know he would not attempt to profit at my expense in any situation. It's always a good idea to spell out terms since things one party takes for granted may not even feel applicable to the other. And, it appears, this is what we have here.
This is just a deal gone wrong and I do believe we've all had those.
The attacks on DimeMan appear particularly unjustified and resulting mainly from the fact he originated the thread.
Attacks on Stooge are unjustified as well, but they are much less numerous.
I just want to say, whether it's designated or not, the coin is high end and it's value is closer to FB than non FB, period! This is the lesson Dimeman should learn and Stooge is right in sending another $150. I have several coins that are high end due to EDS strikes, PL surfaces and yes, 6 steps and there's no way I'd sell any of those coins for next to nothing on some premises like the lack of some designation. The most puzzling thing about this thread, why everyone thought this coin was worth only $50??
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
<< <i>I just want to say, whether it's designated or not, the coin is high end and it's value is closer to FB than non FB, period! This is the lesson Dimeman should learn and Stooge is right in sending another $150. I have several coins that are high end due to EDS strikes, PL surfaces and yes, 6 steps and there's no way I'd sell any of those coins for next to nothing on some premises like the lack of some designation. The most puzzling thing about this thread, why everyone thought this coin was worth only $50??
Leo >>
Please post your evidence that every one thought this coin was worth only 50.00. What is your agenda to make such a broad and inaccurate comment?
<< <i>I just want to say, whether it's designated or not, the coin is high end and it's value is closer to FB than non FB, period! This is the lesson Dimeman should learn and Stooge is right in sending another $150. I have several coins that are high end due to EDS strikes, PL surfaces and yes, 6 steps and there's no way I'd sell any of those coins for next to nothing on some premises like the lack of some designation. The most puzzling thing about this thread, why everyone thought this coin was worth only $50??
Leo >>
Please post your evidence that every one thought this coin was worth only 50.00. What is your agenda to make such a broad and inaccurate comment? >>
By everyone who was involved in the transaction of this coin. And by many others if they want to include themselves in that catagory. I don't think that I need to point out those who have thought otherwise, that's obvious to those who have read the thread. A poll is really not neccesary. The mainstream of thought here has failed through some idea that a price guide is the gospel to what a coin is worth when it's only, at best, a guideline. We all know (but only include yourself in this catagory if you're aware) there are high end and low end coins to a assigned grade in a holder. Of course, I'm only assuming from what I read concerning the quality of the coin in question but Stooge definitely thought otherwise when he could have simply bought a MS66 off of ebay but that wasn't the case.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
....the coin is high end and it's value is closer to FB than non FB, period!
I have always believed a coin's value is what someone is will to pay for it & what someone is will to sell it for .
Stooge sent an offer to buy the coin & Dimeman accepted the offer buy cashing the check, period!
Whether you feel Stooge was wrong in sending the 'low-ball' offer for a 'high-end' coin is a personal opinion. AS IS whether Dimeman should have cash the check on a 'low-ball' offer for a 'high-end' coin.
<< <i>Stooge definitely thought otherwise when he could have simply bought a MS66 off of ebay but that wasn't the case.
Leo >>
I had, at the time 3 different MS66 Silver Roosies in my set and they were:
1953-S...I bought in Las Vegas for a song, when I was on Vacation with Keith LaBrozzi. 1961...I submitted myself, because I again though it was FB and came back as NOT! Look and see that I still have this coin. 1957...From Dimeman, because it was there in my possession, otherwise, no I wouldn't have bought it on eBay.
GET OVER IT DIMEMAN or is it CRYBABY!!!!! This is a stupid thread to be on the REGISTRY BOARD grow -up... PRETENDING and PLEADING IGNORANCE is no EXCUSE for stupidity you made a deal and were not happy with the final outcome and thats your problem and no one elses.
FORMER # 1 NOW # 3 ON ALL TIME FINEST CLAD QUARTER COLLECTION
The reason I originally suggested the charity auction was for Paul to shed the "bad karma" and be done with the coin. Instead, Paul chose to give it to one of his best friends - same basic result - coin is now out of sight - out of mind. And, of course, the decision to give it to a good friend did not have to be a "public" one - but, I sense there was a enjoyment factor letting Dimeman know what became of his dime. And, many here would argue Dimeman deserved it for bringing this public.
Thus ends the saga of the 57-P dime MS66FB dime - at least until Grandam upgrades it to MS67FB and Dimeman recalculates his loss at $3,000+!!
Wondercoin
Please visit my website at www.wondercoins.com and my ebay auctions under my user name www.wondercoin.com.
"Thus ends the saga of the 57-P dime MS66FB dime - at least until Grandam upgrades it to MS67FB and Dimeman recalculates his loss at $3,000+!! "
That's exactly what I was thinking. As tight as PCGS has been lately It would not surprise me at all if the coin upgrded to 67FB sometime in the future.
<< <i>"Thus ends the saga of the 57-P dime MS66FB dime - at least until Grandam upgrades it to MS67FB and Dimeman recalculates his loss at $3,000+!! "
That's exactly what I was thinking. As tight as PCGS has been lately It would not surprise me at all if the coin upgrded to 67FB sometime in the future.
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Wondercoin
Wow !!!!
11 pages - all over a GD Roosie ????????
Good deals ok to share publicly.
Bad deals negotiate privately, take your lumps, learn from them and move forward
The moral of the story IMO:
Fully discuss all expectations of the proposed transaction, communicate, and negotiate, compromise to arrive at a happy medium. Never take it or make it personal and above all keep it business like all the while promoting professionalism 1st!
Have a great weekend all
My Washington Type B/C Set
GDH Roosevelt Dimes 1946-1964
<< <i>I have the solution to this dispute. SELL THE COIN TO ME!!!!! It is the last one I need to be at 100% MS66FBL. Here is a link to my set:
GDH Roosevelt Dimes 1946-1964 >>
Nice Looking set.
Check my ebay BIN or Make Offers!!
<< <i>griv if this thread bothers you so much why read it? whew you sound like maybe some rest and relaxation might be in order. Most are just commenting but you seem to want to go into attack mode.
AL >>
No kidding, what a maroon!
I still would like to know what the coin is now worth since the pops went from 19/3 to 35/3. I certainly wouldn't say $400!
And by the way, wasn't this Forum dead anyway? This thread has livened up ther place.
Later, Paul.
P.S. I still need a 1956 MS66/67FB.
Later, Paul.
<< <i>
<< <i>griv if this thread bothers you so much why read it? whew you sound like maybe some rest and relaxation might be in order. Most are just commenting but you seem to want to go into attack mode.
AL >>
No kidding, what a maroon!
Bugger off Elvis.
<< <i>No kidding, what a maroon!
Now that saying is a blast from the past.
BTW I still need a couple of "Color Coins" for my No Band set.
Thank You.
Ken
<< <i>I believe that we have a ligit shot at 300 posts if we just contuinue to hash over the same malarky that we have been hashing over and over again.
I still would like to know what the coin is now worth since the pops went from 19/3 to 35/3. I certainly wouldn't say $400!
And by the way, wasn't this Forum dead anyway? This thread has livened up ther place.
Later, Paul.
P.S. I still need a 1956 MS66/67FB.
And since it seems people are posting their "Want Lists" here now, then here's mine, too:
1949-P MS66FB
1949-S MS66FB
1957-P MS66FB
1961-P MS66FB
My Registry Sets
<< <i>
And since it seems people are posting their "Want Lists" here now, then here's mine, too:
1949-P MS66FB
1949-S MS66FB
1957-P MS66FB
1961-P MS66FB
Funny how the pops work...I too need those exact same 4 coins in my Roosie set.
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
<< <i>And since it seems people are posting their "Want Lists" here now, then here's mine, too: >>
ASK NICK>>>>
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>griv if this thread bothers you so much why read it? whew you sound like maybe some rest and relaxation might be in order. Most are just commenting but you seem to want to go into attack mode.
AL >>
No kidding, what a maroon!
Bugger off Elvis. >>
Thats not Elvis, you do however seem to love his Kool-Aid
I'm in the hood for a few more minuets, then I take the boys for a walk.
Seriously I am loking for a 56 in a 6 or 7 FB
An "MS65", that graded MS67 when cracked and resubmitted... stuff like that.
Sad they can't do a little better on the consistency.
and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole."
Mary
Best Franklin Website
This Roosie on TT graded MS64FB when I sent it in on the same submission
Stooge was ripped!
Later, Paul
Later, Paul.
Paul categorically told you that this was a FB coin. At that point you had two choices, get the coin back or take the $50. You made the choice, no one else forced you to make that choice but yourself. You made the choice to believe PCGS and not Paul. Niether one of the two parties deserves the criticism I've have seen doled out here. Its lame and poor form to publicly announce on a forum that you need the money to garner sympathy. Some things in life if they are true should be kept private. If its true as Paul has said that you in the meantime continue to purchase other coins then you have not been entirely truthful to us.
Finally if you can't see why by your comments that Paul retracted his kind offer then you have a weak grasp on reality. I find your comments hollow as a collector and a member here not being fully aware that TPG's will change their grade opinion on resubmissions. Quite frankly I fail to see any reasonable excuse for you not to own up to your own responsibility in this transaction other than acting like a child.
BTW tact is not my strong suit as others will testify too but at least you got my honest reaction after having thought about it. Whether it means anything is up to you.
Can't wait to read his next line of Cr*p
I have been reading this thread for a week, and the only thing I have to add is how rediculious Jon's comments are. I self proclaimed dime expert sending coins to someone else for help, then accusing than same good natured person with trying to rip him off. I can attest that if you claim is valet then you better pony up a check to Dick Osbourne for some of those capped bust coins you purchased and managed to get in holders. Paul has been nothing but help to anyone that asked when it comes to Roosies. Your claim that he knew it was a full band coin is moronic at best. There is no one who can predict what PCGS will do. If you thought the coin was worth more, than you should have refused the check, and asked for the dime to be returned. Stop accumulating coins and start collecting, and this will not happen to you. Paul hats off on a great score!!! Fred
Leave it alone or it'll get infected. -Mom
<< <i>Leave it alone or you'll go blind. -Mom >>
I swore I wouldn't read this thread and am more surprised to respond.
I wouldn't do that except it's at the top anyway so it's no big loss.
I've never done business with Stooge but would not hesitate to do so. I've
never done business with DimeMan either but wouldn't hesitate. Granted, it
might be a good idea to spell out terms but I know he would not attempt
to profit at my expense in any situation. It's always a good idea to spell out
terms since things one party takes for granted may not even feel applicable to
the other. And, it appears, this is what we have here.
This is just a deal gone wrong and I do believe we've all had those.
The attacks on DimeMan appear particularly unjustified and resulting mainly
from the fact he originated the thread.
Attacks on Stooge are unjustified as well, but they are much less numerous.
No, thats not true.
I still hate Mr Platinum.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
<< <i>I just want to say, whether it's designated or not, the coin is high end and it's value is closer to FB than non FB, period! This is the lesson Dimeman should learn and Stooge is right in sending another $150. I have several coins that are high end due to EDS strikes, PL surfaces and yes, 6 steps and there's no way I'd sell any of those coins for next to nothing on some premises like the lack of some designation. The most puzzling thing about this thread, why everyone thought this coin was worth only $50??
Leo >>
Please post your evidence that every one thought this coin was worth only 50.00. What is your agenda to make such a broad and inaccurate comment?
<< <i>
<< <i>I just want to say, whether it's designated or not, the coin is high end and it's value is closer to FB than non FB, period! This is the lesson Dimeman should learn and Stooge is right in sending another $150. I have several coins that are high end due to EDS strikes, PL surfaces and yes, 6 steps and there's no way I'd sell any of those coins for next to nothing on some premises like the lack of some designation. The most puzzling thing about this thread, why everyone thought this coin was worth only $50??
Leo >>
Please post your evidence that every one thought this coin was worth only 50.00. What is your agenda to make such a broad and inaccurate comment? >>
By everyone who was involved in the transaction of this coin. And by many others if they want to include themselves in that catagory. I don't think that I need to point out those who have thought otherwise, that's obvious to those who have read the thread. A poll is really not neccesary. The mainstream of thought here has failed through some idea that a price guide is the gospel to what a coin is worth when it's only, at best, a guideline. We all know (but only include yourself in this catagory if you're aware) there are high end and low end coins to a assigned grade in a holder. Of course, I'm only assuming from what I read concerning the quality of the coin in question but Stooge definitely thought otherwise when he could have simply bought a MS66 off of ebay but that wasn't the case.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
I have to disagree with you.
....the coin is high end and it's value is closer to FB than non FB, period!
I have always believed a coin's value is what someone is will to pay for it & what someone is will to sell it for .
Stooge sent an offer to buy the coin & Dimeman accepted the offer buy cashing the check, period!
Whether you feel Stooge was wrong in sending the 'low-ball' offer for a 'high-end' coin is a personal opinion.
AS IS whether Dimeman should have cash the check on a 'low-ball' offer for a 'high-end' coin.
JMO
However true, I just don't believe neither really understood the true value of the coin.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
<< <i>Stooge definitely thought otherwise when he could have simply bought a MS66 off of ebay but that wasn't the case.
Leo >>
I had, at the time 3 different MS66 Silver Roosies in my set and they were:
1953-S...I bought in Las Vegas for a song, when I was on Vacation with Keith LaBrozzi.
1961...I submitted myself, because I again though it was FB and came back as NOT! Look and see that I still have this coin.
1957...From Dimeman, because it was there in my possession, otherwise, no I wouldn't have bought it on eBay.
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
ENJOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
Nobody even close!
PCGS THE ONLY WAY TO GO
Ed
PCGS THE ONLY WAY TO GO
Ed
Thus ends the saga of the 57-P dime MS66FB dime - at least until Grandam upgrades it to MS67FB and Dimeman recalculates his loss at $3,000+!!
Wondercoin
That's exactly what I was thinking. As tight as PCGS has been lately It would not surprise
me at all if the coin upgrded to 67FB sometime in the future.
Hey Grandam I'll give you $400 for it.......
Wondercoin
<< <i>Thus ends the saga of the 57-P dime MS66FB dime - at least until Grandam upgrades it to MS67FB and Dimeman recalculates his loss at $3,000+!!
Wondercoin >>
I laughed out load on this quote! Thanks Wondercoin.
Later, Paul.
Later, Paul.
<< <i>"Thus ends the saga of the 57-P dime MS66FB dime - at least until Grandam upgrades it to MS67FB and Dimeman recalculates his loss at $3,000+!! "
That's exactly what I was thinking. As tight as PCGS has been lately It would not surprise
me at all if the coin upgrded to 67FB sometime in the future.
Hey Grandam I'll give you $400 for it.......
Hahahaha.....
Check my ebay BIN or Make Offers!!