Why no Jefferson Davis Dollar?
percyb
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I wonder why the gov hasn't minted a Jefferson Davis dollar for all us of the southern persuasion. He was the first and only great president of the CSA.
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<< <i>Because the mint making these Presidential coins is the mint of the USA, not the mint of the CSA. >>
is more coin-worthy than are the sundry events/players in a war that was fought
to fracture the USA.
Not an unreasonable determination, all things considered.
We aren't including George III prior to GW for a reason as well.
The US won the war & gets to put on its coins what it wants. So it goes for the victors.
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<< <i>I wonder why the gov hasn't minted a Jefferson Davis dollar for all us of the southern persuasion. He was the first and only great president of the CSA. >>
I am a collector
And things, well things
They tend to accumulate
<< <i>Popcorn.. pass the popcorn .. and the milk duds.... Cheers, RickO >>
I'll have some Beer & Bratwurst .. thank you.
Do it!
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>The US won the war & gets to put on its coins what it wants. So it goes for the victors. >>
Take a look at some of the civil war related classic commems---especially the Stone Mountain commem. These coins were issued by "the victors".
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Long, long ago; in a place far, far away from today's USA.
<< <i>It would be EXTREMELY politically incorrect to do so. It would piss off every guilty white liberal in the country. >>
When you put it that way, it starts to sound like a really good idea
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<< <i>The US won the war & gets to put on its coins what it wants. So it goes for the victors. >>
Take a look at some of the civil war related classic commems---especially the Stone Mountain commem. These coins were issued by "the victors". >>
That's a worthy commemorative, to be sure. We want more though!
<< <i>Take a look at some of the civil war related classic commems---especially the Stone Mountain commem. >>
I'm not sure a Stone Mountain could be minted today. And, if they did announce plans for one there'd be liberal protesters flooding the steps of the mint, screaming in their shrill little voices about how "offensive" it is to remember the South.
Russ, NCNE
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I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>He lost the war. >>
Lincoln is a war criminal as is Sherman.
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<< <i>He lost the war. >>
Lincoln is a war criminal as is Sherman. >>
Davis still lost the war.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
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<< <i>Take a look at some of the civil war related classic commems---especially the Stone Mountain commem. >>
I'm not sure a Stone Mountain could be minted today. And, if they did announce plans for one there'd be liberal protesters flooding the steps of the mint, screaming in their shrill little voices about how "offensive" it is to remember the South.
Russ, NCNE >>
If only they had made it with a huge CSA flag
Jim
Menomonee Falls Wisconsin USA
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<< <i>He lost the war. >>
Lincoln is a war criminal as is Sherman. >>
Davis still lost the war. >>
It's not over yet.
<< <i>If only they had made it with a huge CSA flag >>
That would make an excellent reverse.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>If only they had made it with a huge CSA flag
Check the reverse of the Gettysburg commem.
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<< <i>Did the south really lose the war?? or are they just waiting for the right time to attack
Jim >>
"Be proud your a Rebel cause the Souths gonna do it again"
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<< <i>He lost the war. >>
Lincoln is a war criminal as is Sherman. >>
Davis still lost the war. >>
It's not over yet. >>
They don't stand up in rows, say charge, and shoot at each other anymore.
I give away money. I collect money.
I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
<< <i>Lincoln is a war criminal as is Sherman. >>
<< <i>It's not over yet. >>
I am a collector
And things, well things
They tend to accumulate
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<< <i>Lincoln is a war criminal as is Sherman. >>
<< <i>It's not over yet. >>
<< <i>Did the south really lose the war?? or are they just waiting for the right time to attack
Jim >>
Thats why I am still hoarding confederate money.
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On July 15, 1865, General Wade Hampton wrote of Sherman and his March through South Carolina: “For these deeds history will brand him a robber and incendiary and will deservedly ‘damn him to everlasting fame.’”
However, the only official government investigation was the Commission formed by the United States and England to assess each country’s charges that the other was responsible for loss of property during the war. Regarding the burning of Columbia, in 1873 this Mixed Commission concluded that neither Federal nor Confederate officers were responsible for the intentional or unintentional fire that consumed the city.
For his part, Sherman was unapologetic. “If I had made up my mind to burn Columbia I would have burnt it with no more feeling than I would a common prairie dog village;
<< <i>On July 15, 1865, General Wade Hampton wrote of Sherman and his March through South Carolina: “For these deeds history will brand him a robber and incendiary and will deservedly ‘damn him to everlasting fame.’” >>
Sherman's actions were unspeakably inhumane. A little known (and very ironic) fact about Sherman is that he was the first president of LSU.
P.S. An interesting side-note. The most hated Union general in the South was not Sherman, it was Benjamin Butler. When federal troops occupied New Orleans, the ladies of the city snubbed them. Some even went so far as to pour chamberpots on the heads of occupying soldiers. Butler then issued a famous order, stating that any woman who showed disrespect to a Union soldier should be treated as a prostitute. Many Southerners viewed this as blanket permission for Union soldiers to rape any woman in New Orleans, although it was almost certainly not intended that way (and to my knowledge never acted upon in that way). As a result of this order, he became known as "Beast Butler." He also had a penchant for inviting himself to parties and stealing the hosts' silverware, for which he received the nickname "Spoons" Butler.
An interesting fact is that, despite both sides' normally humane treatment of enemy prisoners, Jefferson Davis ordered that if Benjamin Butler was ever captured, he be executed.
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I don’t love money . I do love the Lord God.
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<< <i>He lost the war. >>
Lincoln is a war criminal as is Sherman. >>
Not just a war criminal but commited crimes against the letter and the spirit of freedom.
However, the government won, the people lost and the government teaches history according to what they want it to read.
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<< <i>Not just a war criminal but commited crimes against the letter and the spirit of freedom. >>
Sic semper tyrannis.
<< On July 15, 1865, General Wade Hampton wrote of Sherman and his March through South Carolina: “For these deeds history will brand him a robber and incendiary and will deservedly ‘damn him to everlasting fame.’” >>
Sherman's actions were unspeakably inhumane. A little known (and very ironic) fact about Sherman is that he was the first president of LSU.
ddink seems to have forgotten another important fact – in 1891 when Sherman died, his old adversary, General
Joseph Johnston, insisted on standing bareheaded in the rain at the funeral, as a mark of his respect. Johnston
himself died shortly thereafter from the effects of this noble act.
Denga
The rebels got what they deserved, if anything he was too lenient with them.
<< <i>ddink seems to have forgotten another important fact >>
No, I certainly have not forgotten that. It was very kind of Johnston, but after what Sherman did, he certainly did not deserve it.
<< <i>The rebels got what they deserved, if anything he was too lenient with them. >>
The so-called "rebels" were all on the front lines fighting. The ones who suffered from Sherman's war crimes were the women and children whose houses were burnt, whose crops were pillaged, and who were occasionally raped by "bummers" in Sherman's army.
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However, the only official government investigation was the Commission formed by the United States and England to assess each country’s charges that the other was responsible for loss of property during the war. Regarding the burning of Columbia, in 1873 this Mixed Commission concluded that neither Federal nor Confederate officers were responsible for the intentional or unintentional fire that consumed the city.
For his part, Sherman was unapologetic. “If I had made up my mind to burn Columbia I would have burnt it with no more feeling than I would a common prairie dog village; >>
England sided with the Confederacy, but didn't enter its support because Lincoln pulled the emancipation card on the Brits.
<< <i>Both sides (Americans all) lost over 600,000 lives. Why celebrate those who ENABLED this terrible war to happen? >>
So why is Lincoln's face on copper?
<< <i>I wonder why the gov hasn't minted a Jefferson Davis dollar for all us of the southern persuasion. He was the first and only great president of the CSA. >>
You (or is that Y'all?) had your chance and lost. 'Nuf said!
<< <i>The rebels got what they deserved, if anything he was too lenient with them. >>
Spoken out of true ignorance and institutionalized brainwashing.
The South simply wanted to be left alone. It wasn't a civil was as that is when two sides fight for control of a single government.
The South simply seceded and that's why that war is properly called the "War of Northern Agression".
I'm continually amazed at the complete ignorance and misunderstanding of those times.
And no, it wasn't about slavery either, though that made a good excuse and a thinly veiled justification for the headlines at the time. Lincoln didn't free the slaves either. Another common misconception.
Study and learn.
John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
"It would piss off every guilty white liberal in the country"
It would also piss off a lot of non-white, non-liberal folks.
Perhaps instead they can do coins featuring burning crosses, bombed churches and the like, I'm sure you will be lining up to buy those in great quantity.
<< <i>Perhaps instead they can do coins featuring burning crosses, bombed churches and the like, I'm sure you will be lining up to buy those in great quantity >>
Jefferson Davis had nothing to do with burning crosses or bombed churches.
<< <i>I was referring to much more recent history >>
Which has nothing to do with the OP's question of "Why no Jefferson Davis Dollar?"
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The rebels got what they deserved, if anything he was too lenient with them. >>
In a few short years, you're going to wish the South had won the war!
really? so we could still have some good ol' slavery?