<< <i>The war never ended. It took about 130 years but the South is now clearly winning. Political power has been centered in the south for the past 20 years. The Northern States of 1865 have become more insignificant as each year passes. >>
I agree. The South could splinter again, hopefully. Then all of those who want to be taxed to death and have everyone be equal and without a strong armed force can live in the Socialist States of American up north and out west.
"Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world." PBShelley
It's been reported that some communities in the South are supporters of and circulate the Liberty Dollar. Maybe this is one of their ways of striking back?
"It would piss off every guilty white liberal in the country"
It would also piss off a lot of non-white, non-liberal folks.
Perhaps instead they can do coins featuring burning crosses, bombed churches and the like, I'm sure you will be lining up to buy those in great quantity. >>
Maybe we need a coin with Eli Whitney on it, without his invention slavery would have faltered and most likely the Civil War would have never been fought.
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<< <i>I wonder why the gov hasn't minted a Jefferson Davis dollar for all us of the southern persuasion. He was the first and only great president of the CSA. >>
Because we lost....
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As a native Southerner (and my maternal grandmother was a Davis from Virgina) it's amazing how many fights you can start with Southerners who claim that the Civil War was about "states' rights" and not about slavery....but when you pick off the scab, they admit that the particular state right in question was the right to allow slavery....
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<< <i>I agree. The South could splinter again, hopefully. Then all of those who want to be taxed to death and have everyone be equal and without a strong armed force can live in the Socialist States of American up north and out west. >>
WOW!
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Obviously, a Davis prexybuck is inappropriate. However, I would not be opposed to a Davis commemorative dollar (perhaps next year, 200th anniversary of his birth). He was a fairly important person in United States history, after all.
<< <i>It's always nice to see the Confederate apologists out in force. >>
From 1870 until 1912, Texas arrested negroes in vastly disproportionate numbers for "vagrancy" and then leased them out as unpaid laborers, often to the same plantations and work projects as when they were slaves...
But there were worse fates.....
Luckily, today in Texas we are down to only 30 major white supremacy and kkk-related organizations...
Arlington: American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Arlington: National Socialist White People's Party Atlanta: American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Austin: Knights of the White Kamellia Austin: National Alliance Austin: World Church of the Creator Azle: National Socialist White People's Party Burleson: Dixieland White Knights Canyon Lake: Knights of the White Kamellia China Spring: Intolerance Cleveland: White Camelia Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Dallas: United Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Fort Worth: National Alliance Fort Worth: United Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Garland: Cyrus Ministries Houston: Gospel Broadcasting Association Houston: National Alliance Mauriceville: Knights of the White Kamellia McKinney: Knights of Freedom Midland: White Camelia Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Newton: Knights of the White Kamellia Odessa: American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Odessa: United Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan San Antonio: National Socialist White People's Party Splendora: Knights of the White Kamellia Tyler: National Socialist White People's Party Vidor: Knights of the White Kamellia Waco: Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Waco: Knights of the White Kamellia New Order Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
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<< <i>As a native Southerner (and my maternal grandmother was a Davis from Virgina) it's amazing how many fights you can start with Southerners who claim that the Civil War was about "states' rights" and not about slavery....but when you pick off the scab, they admit that the particular state right in question was the right to allow slavery.... >>
Well, a smiliar scab might be the cause of the Iraqi war was Weapons of Mass Destruction. Remember that ruse?
"Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world." PBShelley
Seems like some Southerners think the war was related to slavery and some don't. It may not necessarily be only a Southern vs. Northern issue but a Southern vs. Southern issue as well?
The WMd excuse was just the reason vocalized to the masses. Most people find that easy to understand. The reasons we went into Iraq are numerous, including the opportunity to overthrow a brutal dictator who had destabalized the region for many years, to enforce the UN conditions that Iraq agreed to after the first Gulf War, to try and establish a democracy in a place where it is almost unknown, and end Iraq's collusion with terrorists (and before you start screaming Al-Queda wasn't in Iraq, thats not who I'm talking about, Saddam supported and paid suicide bombers that attacked Israel, killing numerous innocent civilians. Not to mention try reading the Delfour report, Saddam retained the capability to restart his chemical weapons programs (if he hadn't already) as soon as France, Russia, and Germany got the UN to end the weapons inspections. Now I would agree wholeheartedly that the execution of the war has been terribly bungled, but try to take the extra step and understand there was a lot more to our overthrow of Saddam than just WMD.
Whether or not Jefferson could end up on a U.S. coin will make no difference in about 20 years or so when the current invasion from the South (across the US/Mexican border) is complete and the U.S. government as we know it will no longer exist, nor will U.S. coinage or currency. We are in the middle of a war for our very existance and the politicians and press either choose to ignore it or encourage it. The South won't rise again.. and neither will the North.
<< <i>Whether or not Jefferson could end up on a U.S. coin will make no difference in about 20 years or so when the current invasion from the South (across the US/Mexican border) is complete and the U.S. government as we know it will no longer exist, nor will U.S. coinage or currency. We are in the middle of a war for our very existance and the politicians and press either choose to ignore it or encourage it. The South won't rise again.. and neither will the North. >>
Exactly, the Republicans will win by giving big business tons of cheap labor, the Democrats will win by gaining 20 million new voters, and the American people will lose, big time.
<< <i>Whether or not Jefferson could end up on a U.S. coin will make no difference in about 20 years or so when the current invasion from the South (across the US/Mexican border) is complete and the U.S. government as we know it will no longer exist, nor will U.S. coinage or currency. We are in the middle of a war for our very existance and the politicians and press either choose to ignore it or encourage it. The South won't rise again.. and neither will the North. >>
Well said. I think the Southerners understand this better than the Northerners. Someone has to stand up and say, No more! The ramifications of the outcome of the Civil War can be seen across the country today as we struggle to hold on to the country. Looking from behind the liberal lines of the enemy up north, the nation has already been lost. Wages are taxed to give away to neighbors who don't pay for housing, for the education of their children, for the food they eat, for transportation they demand, or for medical assistance they require. They're laughing at us all the way to the bank. It's time to say, No more!
"Poets are the unacknowledged legislators of the world." PBShelley
<< <i>It would be EXTREMELY politically incorrect to do so. It would piss off every guilty white liberal in the country.
Do it!
Russ, NCNE >>
i absolutely
"government is not reason, it is not eloquence-it is a force! like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." George Washington
<< <i>Whether or not Jefferson could end up on a U.S. coin will make no difference in about 20 years or so when the current invasion from the South (across the US/Mexican border) is complete and the U.S. government as we know it will no longer exist, nor will U.S. coinage or currency. We are in the middle of a war for our very existance and the politicians and press either choose to ignore it or encourage it. The South won't rise again.. and neither will the North. >>
I'd guess the American Indians won't rise again either, except for the ones with casinos.
<< <i>You say the war had nothing to do with slavery, that it was all states rights and tariffs >>
You are correct. Slavery had a great deal to do with the war. The war was caused by sectional differences and tensions--and it was slavery that brought many of these about. Slavery was *part* of the reason for the war, but not the *whole* reason. The reasons go deeper than slavery.
<< <i>I wonder how many of our southern brothers know that Calhoun, the 'father of secession' actually voted FOR the first tariffs ? >>
You make an excellent point. During the "Era of Good Feelings," Calhoun was a supporter of protective tariffs.
<< <i>Most northern men wouldn't fight to free the slaves, they would fight to preserve the Union however. >>
You are correct. Lincoln was a brilliant politician.
<< <i>Can you spell A-n-d-e-r-s-o-n-v-i-l-l-e? >>
Can you spell S-h-e-r-m-a-n? When the Union army destroys all foodstuffs within a 100 mile radius of a POW camp, how exactly are Southerners supposed to feed those prisoners? They didn't even have enough food for themselves, let alone for tens of thousands of prisoners.
<< <i>Maybe we need a coin with Eli Whitney on it, without his invention slavery would have faltered and most likely the Civil War would have never been fought. >>
Sad but true =(
Slavery was declining until the gin made cotton production profitable.
<< <i>Seems like some Southerners think the war was related to slavery and some don't. It may not necessarily be only a Southern vs. Northern issue but a Southern vs. Southern issue as well? >>
The causes of the war were myriad--it was the result of 80 years of sectional tensions and sectional differences. Yes, including (and especially) slavery.
P.S. That's a very nice token. I like it!
I heard they were making a French version of Medal of Honor. I wonder how many hotkeys it'll have for "surrender."
<< Whether or not Jefferson could end up on a U.S. coin will make no difference in about 20 years or so when the current invasion from the South (across the US/Mexican border) is complete and the U.S. government as we know it will no longer exist, nor will U.S. coinage or currency. We are in the middle of a war for our very existance and the politicians and press either choose to ignore it or encourage it. The South won't rise again.. and neither will the North. >>
The time of no return is approaching. When more than 50% of the voting public are feeding from the government public troughs with the minority paying for everything. This is only going to get worse as long as our Congress ignores the situation. We either be content with a third rate bankrupt country or start a new one.
<< <i>Am I the only one who would like the mint to stop putting real people on our coins? How about some more "Miss Liberty?" >>
I hear you. Except I fear people would complain that modern depictions of liberty are either 1. too politically correct or 2. not politically correct enough.
I never seem to get much support for my "baboon's backside dollar" unfortunately.
Reading through this thread it just amazes me how the south still has a big chip on it's shoulder about a war that was 140+ years ago. Get over it already! The north rules!
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<< <i>The war never ended. It took about 130 years but the South is now clearly winning. Political power has been centered in the south for the past 20 years. The Northern States of 1865 have become more insignificant as each year passes. >>
I agree. The South could splinter again, hopefully. Then all of those who want to be taxed to death and have everyone be equal and without a strong armed force can live in the Socialist States of American up north and out west.
should have, would have, could have....
Franklin Mint bought the rights to the ship, see the whole story here....
<< <i>The victors write the history.
"It would piss off every guilty white liberal in the country"
It would also piss off a lot of non-white, non-liberal folks.
Perhaps instead they can do coins featuring burning crosses, bombed churches and the like, I'm sure you will be lining up to buy those in great quantity. >>
I see that we have a GWL among us.
Russ, NCNE
+1
100% of the war crimes committed by the North?
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<< <i>I wonder why the gov hasn't minted a Jefferson Davis dollar for all us of the southern persuasion. He was the first and only great president of the CSA. >>
Because we lost....
<< <i>I agree. The South could splinter again, hopefully. Then all of those who want to be taxed to death and have everyone be equal and without a strong armed force can live in the Socialist States of American up north and out west. >>
WOW!
I am a collector
And things, well things
They tend to accumulate
<< <i>It's always nice to see the Confederate apologists out in force. >>
From 1870 until 1912, Texas arrested negroes in vastly disproportionate numbers for "vagrancy" and then
leased them out as unpaid laborers, often to the same plantations and work projects as when they were slaves...
But there were worse fates.....
Luckily, today in Texas we are down to only 30 major white supremacy and kkk-related organizations...
Arlington: American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Arlington: National Socialist White People's Party
Atlanta: American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Austin: Knights of the White Kamellia
Austin: National Alliance
Austin: World Church of the Creator
Azle: National Socialist White People's Party
Burleson: Dixieland White Knights
Canyon Lake: Knights of the White Kamellia
China Spring: Intolerance
Cleveland: White Camelia Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Dallas: United Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Fort Worth: National Alliance
Fort Worth: United Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Garland: Cyrus Ministries
Houston: Gospel Broadcasting Association
Houston: National Alliance
Mauriceville: Knights of the White Kamellia
McKinney: Knights of Freedom
Midland: White Camelia Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Newton: Knights of the White Kamellia
Odessa: American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Odessa: United Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
San Antonio: National Socialist White People's Party
Splendora: Knights of the White Kamellia
Tyler: National Socialist White People's Party
Vidor: Knights of the White Kamellia
Waco: Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Waco: Knights of the White Kamellia
New Order Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
<< <i>As a native Southerner (and my maternal grandmother was a Davis from Virgina) it's amazing how many fights you can start with Southerners who claim that the Civil War was about "states' rights" and not about slavery....but when you pick off the scab, they admit that the particular state right in question was the right to allow slavery.... >>
Well, a smiliar scab might be the cause of the Iraqi war was Weapons of Mass Destruction. Remember that ruse?
The reasons we went into Iraq are numerous, including the opportunity to overthrow a brutal dictator who had destabalized the region for many years, to enforce the UN conditions that Iraq agreed to after the first Gulf War, to try and establish a democracy in a place where it is almost unknown, and end Iraq's collusion with terrorists (and before you start screaming Al-Queda wasn't in Iraq, thats not who I'm talking about, Saddam supported and paid suicide bombers that attacked Israel, killing numerous innocent civilians. Not to mention try reading the Delfour report, Saddam retained the capability to restart his chemical weapons programs (if he hadn't already) as soon as France, Russia, and Germany got the UN to end the weapons inspections. Now I would agree wholeheartedly that the execution of the war has been terribly bungled, but try to take the extra step and understand there was a lot more to our overthrow of Saddam than just WMD.
<< <i>Whether or not Jefferson could end up on a U.S. coin will make no difference in about 20 years or so when the current invasion from the South (across the US/Mexican border) is complete and the U.S. government as we know it will no longer exist, nor will U.S. coinage or currency. We are in the middle of a war for our very existance and the politicians and press either choose to ignore it or encourage it. The South won't rise again.. and neither will the North. >>
Exactly, the Republicans will win by giving big business tons of cheap labor, the Democrats will win by gaining 20 million new voters, and the American people will lose, big time.
<< <i>Whether or not Jefferson could end up on a U.S. coin will make no difference in about 20 years or so when the current invasion from the South (across the US/Mexican border) is complete and the U.S. government as we know it will no longer exist, nor will U.S. coinage or currency. We are in the middle of a war for our very existance and the politicians and press either choose to ignore it or encourage it. The South won't rise again.. and neither will the North. >>
Well said. I think the Southerners understand this better than the Northerners. Someone has to stand up and say, No more! The ramifications of the outcome of the Civil War can be seen across the country today as we struggle to hold on to the country. Looking from behind the liberal lines of the enemy up north, the nation has already been lost. Wages are taxed to give away to neighbors who don't pay for housing, for the education of their children, for the food they eat, for transportation they demand, or for medical assistance they require. They're laughing at us all the way to the bank. It's time to say, No more!
Or is it the Bank of America that is laughing?
<< <i>It would be EXTREMELY politically incorrect to do so. It would piss off every guilty white liberal in the country.
Do it!
Russ, NCNE >>
i absolutely
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<< <i>Whether or not Jefferson could end up on a U.S. coin will make no difference in about 20 years or so when the current invasion from the South (across the US/Mexican border) is complete and the U.S. government as we know it will no longer exist, nor will U.S. coinage or currency. We are in the middle of a war for our very existance and the politicians and press either choose to ignore it or encourage it. The South won't rise again.. and neither will the North. >>
I'd guess the American Indians won't rise again either, except for the ones with casinos.
<< <i>You say the war had nothing to do with slavery, that it was all states rights and tariffs >>
You are correct. Slavery had a great deal to do with the war. The war was caused by sectional differences and tensions--and it was slavery that brought many of these about. Slavery was *part* of the reason for the war, but not the *whole* reason. The reasons go deeper than slavery.
<< <i>I wonder how many of our southern brothers know that Calhoun, the 'father of secession' actually voted FOR the first tariffs ? >>
You make an excellent point. During the "Era of Good Feelings," Calhoun was a supporter of protective tariffs.
<< <i>Most northern men wouldn't fight to free the slaves, they would fight to preserve the Union however. >>
You are correct. Lincoln was a brilliant politician.
<< <i>Can you spell A-n-d-e-r-s-o-n-v-i-l-l-e? >>
Can you spell S-h-e-r-m-a-n? When the Union army destroys all foodstuffs within a 100 mile radius of a POW camp, how exactly are Southerners supposed to feed those prisoners? They didn't even have enough food for themselves, let alone for tens of thousands of prisoners.
<< <i>Maybe we need a coin with Eli Whitney on it, without his invention slavery would have faltered and most likely the Civil War would have never been fought. >>
Sad but true =(
Slavery was declining until the gin made cotton production profitable.
<< <i>Seems like some Southerners think the war was related to slavery and some don't. It may not necessarily be only a Southern vs. Northern issue but a Southern vs. Southern issue as well? >>
The causes of the war were myriad--it was the result of 80 years of sectional tensions and sectional differences. Yes, including (and especially) slavery.
P.S. That's a very nice token. I like it!
<< <i>They're laughing at us all the way to the Bank of America!
Or is it the Bank of America that is laughing?
Hey, maybe we could be Jeff Davis' face on BAC? A laughing JD at that!
The time of no return is approaching. When more than 50% of the voting public are feeding from the government public troughs with the minority paying for everything. This is only going to get worse as long as our Congress ignores the situation. We either be content with a third rate bankrupt country or start a new one.
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Not a good thing to put on coin or currency.
<< <i><STRONG>When the war ended old Jeff was arrested dressed as a women.
Not a good thing to put on coin or currency</STRONG>.
Perhaps Jeff was the first drag racer.
<< <i>Am I the only one who would like the mint to stop putting real people on our coins? How about some more "Miss Liberty?" >>
I hear you. Except I fear people would complain that modern depictions of liberty are either 1. too politically correct or 2. not politically correct enough.
I never seem to get much support for my "baboon's backside dollar" unfortunately.