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POLL: Just Back from PCGS, Guess the Grade-Grade Revealed
Ronyahski
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Test your grading skills against PCGS. I've made it a little easier with grade groupings as it is very hard to grade proofs with pics.
Some refer to overgraded slabs as Coffins. I like to think of them as Happy Coins.
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Ed. S.
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<< <i>I am torn between 65 and 66, but I went with the lower grade. >>
PF66?
Dave
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I vote PF67.
roadrunner
Superb.
I haven't a clue what this one graded....
I can say what a wonderful piece of history that beauty truely is.
I hope she graded high for you, but even if it didn't, that coin is a real eye catcher!
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That is one beautiful coin in picture- I would no doubt think that this specimen is awesome in hand.
Way to go Ron.
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<< <i>I like it and think 65 is the minimum >>
I like it too and agree with 65. I may not like toning, but... like most addictions, sometimes I revert and give in. This is one of them occasions.
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
<< <i>.........i will go PR 67 ; and it sure ain't no Franklin ! >>
No doubt about that ...these are only worth melt value on ebay.
I went with thw 66 crowd. It is a real looker! Nice coin.
Hmmmmm?
Wow! The pop's show 4 in PR65 and only one in PR67. Is that right?
Looks like some Cam in there also.
The 1862 is the toughest coin to find in gem for all of the proof seated dime series post-58. After seven years of work in putting together a complete set of proof dimes, preceded by almost two years of studying the series, I was absolutely thrilled to come across this coin at the Baltimore show last month. It is as original as any seated dime I have had the opportunity to view. Full mirror blue rim toning, ceding to lovely golden orange centers. Minimal marks and virtually no hairlines to speak of. It speaks of originality. It took me exactly three seconds to make my decision to buy this coin.
Now for the PCGS grade:
4755 1862 10C US PR91
In PCGS speak, that is AT. This coin was graded artificially toned by PCGS.
I can expect that some of you will react that here's just another case of spillled milk. That's ok by me. But for me, this is an experience with PCGS that has rattled me to the core. This coin was one of four coins in a submission, all of them beautifully toned and original coins. Three of them came back bodybagged. I am absolutely stunned.
I can go on, but right now I am going to now invoke a rule I usually follow, my own 24 hour rule, and calm down before I comment again about how I really feel about PCGS grading. If I don't, this would probably be the last time you hear from me.
<< <i>OK, "24" is over and I'm still worried about Audrey, but back to coins. The votes are in and you voted 65, leaning towards a higher grade. I grade the coin 66.
The 1862 is the toughest coin to find in gem for all of the proof seated dime series post-58. After seven years of work in putting together a complete set of proof dimes, preceded by almost two years of studying the series, I was absolutely thrilled to come across this coin at the Baltimore show last month. It is as original as any seated dime I have had the opportunity to view. Full mirror blue rim toning, ceding to lovely golden orange centers. Minimal marks and virtually no hairlines to speak of. It speaks of originality. It took me exactly three seconds to make my decision to buy this coin.
Now for the PCGS grade:
4755 1862 10C US PR91
In PCGS speak, that is AT. This coin was graded artificially toned by PCGS.
I can expect that some of you will react that here's just another case of spillled milk. That's ok by me. But for me, this is an experience with PCGS that has rattled me to the core. This coin was one of four coins in a submission, all of them beautifully toned and original coins. Three of them came back bodybagged. I am absolutely stunned.
I can go on, but right now I am going to now invoke a rule I usually follow, my own 24 hour rule, and calm down before I comment again about how I really feel about PCGS grading. If I don't, this would probably be the last time you hear from me. >>
Sometimes PCGS can miss the boat on toned oldies.....I've had this happen to me 3 times in the past year.......most frustrating.
Not sure what to do with the BB's.
Good luck to us!!!!
I can't believe PCGS, or any other grading company would BB this beautiful coin.
Sounds like you have a great collection, and with most great collections comes with great collectors who know their coins.
Taking 24 hours to cool off is wise indeed. I don't know if I could be that patient if it happened to me.
If that coin is AT (I highly doubt it) , then there are truly some great coin doctors out there, because I personally would not hesitate to buy that coin as a top notch PQ toned NT coin.
"“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)
"I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
JJ
Just another example of no one can tell what's what these days. Send it back, but because of the toning I had guessed PR62 (if it holders they would be
ultra-conservative about it).
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I can go on, but right now I am going to now invoke a rule I usually follow, my own 24 hour rule, and calm down before I comment again about how I really feel about PCGS grading. If I don't, this would probably be the last time you hear from me. >>
24 hour rule is excellent.
that leaves room for at least seventeen to eighteen thousand deep breaths.
Deep breaths are good.
It's a coin.
you'll resubmit it if you care enough.
they'll grade it right smoetime.
life will go on.
z
ps. looks like a splendid, original, NT coin. but hey, i'm not a professional grader...
if it comes back bb again, then maybe once more. beyond that you're probably throwing your money away on the cert service.
regardless, you've got a very nice looking coin!
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
<< <i>Test your grading skills against PCGS. I've made it a little easier with grade groupings as it is very hard to grade proofs with pics.
No way this is AT. I'd go with 66 as well. Everyone I've talked seems to be having trouble getting grades from them these days.
John D'.
PCGS, it is NATURALLY TONED. If you were coin collectors, you would know this.
You BB that beautiful piece of numismatic history, and this piece of crap gets slabbed?:
PCGS does not understand toning, it quite apparent.
Another thought...could it be that the current market is sustaining itself because PCGS is keeping supply of coins so low that the demand (which is diminishing) still "appears" to be high?
Certainly just a hypothetical...but one to think about regardless.
Not implying at all that it is a grand conspiracy...only that it might be a driver in this market.
If you wish to sell the coin to me Ronya, send the coin out. I will pay 6 money in a heartbeat if the coin fits the bill. I would pay 6 money even if it were a 65 for that matter...
I dont care if it, edited to correct, is raw.
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John
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I wish all my coins eated coins looked like that one!
What service level did you use wehn you submitted? Regular? Maybe a trip to one of the shows would bring a different result, it should I would think?
Larry
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<< <i>Hi Ron, I feel for you and wonder what your next step will be? Remove the toning so pcgs can see the surfaces better? Try elsewhere? Please keep us informed and best wishes with it---------------------BigE >>
Don't you effing dare!! That would be a travesty beyond belief...
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Tom,
Thast does look like it's in a PCGS holder.
<< <i>Hi Ron, I feel for you and wonder what your next step will be? Remove the toning so pcgs can see the surfaces better? >>
<< <i> Try elsewhere? >>
buy. Then obviously, you LIKED the coin for how it looked and what it was. So, what do you care
what PCGS says? Your knowledge about the series is probably far greater than the 3 graders
put together at PCGS. So, don't sweat the small stuff and just enjoy the collection and the coin.
Too much emphasis is placed on the plastic in my opinion anyway. Calm down and just enjoy your
new treasure!
bob