It has been quiet on here. These popped today just wanted to share!
All cards were bought raw off eBay so I'm happy with all the grades. I knew the Ripken/Gehrig was not the best so I was hoping for a 8, so I'm very happy with a 8.5! Some nice 10's on some nice cards also!
1 1 23107509 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 2003 Spx Game Used Combos C-CL Cal Ripken Jr./Lou Gehrig Card 2 1 23107510 GEM MINT 10 2000 Finest 275 Cal Ripken Jr./Chipper Jones Gold Refractor Card 3 1 23107511 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2002 Ultra Glove Works Memorabilia Cal Ripken Jr. Card 4 1 23107512 MINT 9 1996 Leaf 21 Cal Ripken Jr. Press Proof-Gold Card 5 1 23107513 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1997 SP Game Film GF4 Cal Ripken Jr. 6 1 23107514 NEAR MINT 7 1998 Ultra Ticket Studs 13 Cal Ripken Jr. Card 7 1 23107515 GEM MINT 10 1997 Finest Embossed 334 Cal Ripken Jr. Die-Cut Card 8 1 23107516 MINT 9 2000 Upper Deck Faces of the Game F16 Cal Ripken Jr. Silver Card 9 1 23107517 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1996 Studio Press Proof 1 Cal Ripken Jr. Bronze Card 10. 1 23107522 GEM MINT 10 2014 Topps Archives 113 Cal Ripken Jr. Silver 11 1. 23107523 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2014 Topps Archives 113 Cal Ripken Jr. Gold
<< <i>Just curious did anyone notice the 1980 orange police Ripken card that sold on eBay last night as a BIN for 300$ That couldn't have been real?!? >>
I was too busy looking at all of the thongs and Boscovs Santa ornaments that I forgot all about their orange border police issue. I'm being sarcastic, but I'd never buy a card like that from a seller with those items. Maybe it's real and I made a huge mistake not bidding, but I'll sleep well either way.
I collect Cal Ripken cards, T206, E95, E210, R319.
Judging by the card's colors and sharp white border, my money is on fake. I'll try to flag down board member RipkenInTheMinors for his professional opinion.
I hate to say it, but I think it looks real. The wavy white border around the picture is not what you would see on a fake. The fakes I have seen have it completely straight. I think somebody who didn't know what they had listed it and someone got a huge steal.
Kevin
I collect PSA cards of the following: Billy Ripken Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002 Cal Ripken, Sr. Hall of Fame Rookies
Crap... I think you're right. Last night I was looking at it on my cell phone, but now that I blow it up on my PC I can see the colors and lines more clearly. It looks real.
Mentioning the other items this person has for sale makes even more sense as to why it would sell for so little and with such amateur photos/description.
Seeing a card like that sell for $300 is like a sucker punch in the gut. I would have been happier if it had sold for $5000, even though that is a steal too.
I would consider this card the Wagner of Minor League baseball cards. It is as rare, if not more rare than the Wagner, and has an interesting origin story to go along with it just like the Wagner. I think in 20 years, the 1980 Orange Ripken could be a $100,000+ card in PSA 7 or better condition. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I really think it is possible. It is just that rare.
Kevin
I collect PSA cards of the following: Billy Ripken Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002 Cal Ripken, Sr. Hall of Fame Rookies
So I gotta admit I was the one that bought the card. I just wanted to see what others said about it first and wait till I had it in hand before I said anything. I got the card and sending it to psa already. I hope you guys are right about it being real. One question I have when I put the card in a card saver it felt a little flimsy, lighter weight then most cards is that normal for that card to have that feel? There is a small indentation on his shoulder so I assume that will take the grade down to at least a 5.
Well congrats on the purchase! I spoke with Chris (RipkenInTheMinors) about this card and this was his response:
"That could be an incredible win for the bidder. Were you the winning bidder? As far as verifying the authenticity of the card, you have to take in consideration that we have to rely on scans on a screen. The best way to verify a 1980 Charlotte card is by holding it and shining it up to the light. However, the colors on the front of the card look good and the line breaks on the back of the card match up with authenticated examples of the Charlotte Ripken. Considering the price of $300, ebay's buyer protection policy, and the scans provided, I would have no problem hitting that buy it now. At the same time, anything that seems too good to be true tends to have flaws. One would think that a person owning a card of that stature would know what they have. In addition, the card made its way to Maryland. One would think a seller in Maryland would've had plenty of resources to inquire about a Ripken card. At the same time, stranger things have happened. A known Ripken Charlotte Police card once sold for $250 on ebay. I would love to hear more about the card."
Regarding the card stock, that also sounds like it's authentic. This is from RITM's website:
"The authenticity of the set is also protected in something that actually hindered the ability to keep the set in great condition - the paper the cards were printed on. The paper that the blue and orange Charlotte cards were printed on was a very thin and flimsy stock. In fact, it is not uncommon to be able to see the printing from the back of an orange card when looking at the front of an orange card. The disadvantage of this tip is that to review the stock of the card, you have to purchase the card in person and/or be dealing with someone that is willing to let you take the card from its protective case.
The good news for you as a collector is that there are authenticated copies of the blue and orange Ripken Charlotte cards from time to time. Buying an authenticated copy will keep you from the guesswork on the authenticity. Will it cost more to have an authenticated copy? Yes. Is the additional cost worth it? Absolutely. You may have to use some patience as you wait for a copy, but it truly is better to be safe than sorry. In the event that you choose to go the route of buying a Charlotte Ripken card of Cal that has not been authenticated, be sure to look at the warning signs. In addition, remember that even wih the tips provided above for spotting a fake, new advancements is made in technology every single day. As technology advances, the ability to recreate a more authentic looking copy of this card will take place. If I can ever be of any assistance, feel free to contact me at any time at ripkenintheminors@hotmail.com"
If I were you I would be feeling pretty confident right now... it appears to be a good card. Good luck with the grading!!
<< <i>So I gotta admit I was the one that bought the card. I just wanted to see what others said about it first and wait till I had it in hand before I said anything. I got the card and sending it to psa already. I hope you guys are right about it being real. One question I have when I put the card in a card saver it felt a little flimsy, lighter weight then most cards is that normal for that card to have that feel? There is a small indentation on his shoulder so I assume that will take the grade down to at least a 5. >>
The fact that it is flimsy pretty much cinches it. My opinion: it is real and you got the steal of the century. Even as a PSA 1 you are looking at a very nice card. If you have any interest in selling it, let me know. An indent could knock it down to a PSA 4 possibly. Not sure. Pretty sure it is real though. I think she didn't know what she had. When you look at it and don't know what you are looking at, it looks pretty amateurish to be honest. The lines aren't straight, the picture is fuzzy, and the back lines look drawn with a pen and aren't even connected well. It doesn't look valuable, but it is.
I wonder if she knows the original owner or if she is the original owner? It would interesting for ripkenintheminors to follow up.
Kevin
I collect PSA cards of the following: Billy Ripken Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002 Cal Ripken, Sr. Hall of Fame Rookies
Yea I'm really hoping it is real! Already sent to psa should be there tomorrow at 3! I don't care the grade honestly just to have the real copy is awesome!!! So after I saw it on eBay I emailed the seller right away, asked if it was original or fake? She writes back pretty quick it's original. So I buy it right away, I figured if it's fake I have eBay and paypal to go back on. So wasn't to worried about that. So the next day she emails me and says people have emailed her saying she was dumb to sell it and it's worth a lot more if it's real. Thank goodness she had already sent it lol. She is a very nice lady(I suspect elderly). She also said she only sold it to buy oil for heat in the winter. She also said if it was fake please send it back and she would reimburse me my money. So I feel what do I have to lose really? (Psa fees I guess but worth the risk). I asked her how she got the card. She said her husband grew up in NC and a family member gave it to him years and years ago. He passed away 3 years ago and she said it has sat in a cedar chest for years. So I feel bad for the lady in one sense as she def didn't know what she had. (If it's real I may give her a little more money as it sounds like she might need it).
Once I hear back from psa on the authenticity and grade I will def share it with you guys!
The best test of a 1980 Charlotte card is the test of the stock. Regardless of any advancements in printing, the stock of the card serves as the saving grace. When you hold up a card to the light you can nearly see through it. You have to hold one in person to truly understand. It is impossible for me to authenticate based on scans alone. However, the scans and colors are looking promising. Hearing that the card is flimsy is a positive as well.
As far as the comparison of the Ripken to the Wagner, there are more known Wagners than Ripkens. The Police Ripken should be a $10K card in any condition. When prices exploded and the first orange Ripken hit $10K the skeptics said the pop report would explode. It has not happened.
<< <i>The best test of a 1980 Charlotte card is the test of the stock. Regardless of any advancements in printing, the stock of the card serves as the saving grace. When you hold up a card to the light you can nearly see through it. You have to hold one in person to truly understand. It is impossible for me to authenticate based on scans alone. However, the scans and colors are looking promising. Hearing that the card is flimsy is a positive as well.
As far as the comparison of the Ripken to the Wagner, there are more known Wagners than Ripkens. The Police Ripken should be a $10K card in any condition. When prices exploded and the first orange Ripken hit $10K the skeptics said the pop report would explode. It has not happened. >>
Do you think the 1980 Orange Ripken in PSA 7 or higher could be a $100,000 card in 20 years? Would you say it is the Wagner of the minor league cards or is there one better that you can think of?
Kevin
I collect PSA cards of the following: Billy Ripken Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002 Cal Ripken, Sr. Hall of Fame Rookies
The walk through. Same day 150$. I put declared value 9950$ I didn't want to put over 10k and have to pay 500$. It arrived there at 955am but they didn't sign for it till 12:17. So I guess they have to have it for a "full day". Which kinda sucks for that kinda money.
<< <i>The best test of a 1980 Charlotte card is the test of the stock. Regardless of any advancements in printing, the stock of the card serves as the saving grace. When you hold up a card to the light you can nearly see through it. You have to hold one in person to truly understand. It is impossible for me to authenticate based on scans alone. However, the scans and colors are looking promising. Hearing that the card is flimsy is a positive as well.
As far as the comparison of the Ripken to the Wagner, there are more known Wagners than Ripkens. The Police Ripken should be a $10K card in any condition. When prices exploded and the first orange Ripken hit $10K the skeptics said the pop report would explode. It has not happened. >>
Do you think the 1980 Orange Ripken in PSA 7 or higher could be a $100,000 card in 20 years? Would you say it is the Wagner of the minor league cards or is there one better that you can think of?
Kevin >>
Hi Kevin. Really tough to project what the orange Ripken could do in the future. There are so many factors. Will the population report stay the same? Will the population report increase? Going a step further, $100K is a lot of money. There is a small percentage of collectors who can spend that type of money on a card.
With all of that said, 8 years ago the thought of someone paying over $2,000 for a Police Ripken brought about some second guessing. Now they are regularly hovering the $10K mark. What I know is that the highest price paid for an orange Ripken is $22,515 (Huggins and Scott, February 2014). That auction featured a complete Police set sold in three lots. In all, the set brought $25,714.15. Could we see the day of a high grade Police Ripken hitting $100K? Possibly. That's just my opinion. At the same time, I am of the opinion that the card is a $10K card in any grade based on the player, pop reports, and story surrounding the card.
As far as calling the Police Ripken the Wagner of minor league cards, I tend to be careful with putting descriptions on cards. I think the Police Ripken is one of the great cards in hobby history. In a sense I think you can build a case that the card is the modern generation Wagner. It is an amazing card with a great story and unique circumstances. I don't want the card to stand alone as a minor league card. It's a great card. I do not know that you would find another minor league card bringing the premiums of the Police Ripken but my knowledge is pretty limited to Ripken.
[i (If it's real I may give her a little more money as it sounds like she might need it). ]
I would hope that if the card turns out to be real that you will give more than a little more money.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
<< <i>[i (If it's real I may give her a little more money as it sounds like she might need it). ]
I would hope that if the card turns out to be real that you will give more than a little more money. >>
Perhaps I am in the minority, but I considered the fact that maybe she told him she sold it to pay bills to either get him to send it back or to guilt him into giving her more money. Not entirely sure I buy her story given what she now knows about the card.
Bottom line is she should have been more informed about what she was selling.
I'm not sure what I would do in this situation or what amount of additional money would be appropriate. Perhaps sell the card and split the proceeds? I really don't know. In any case, you sell on eBay you should be informed about what you sell.
Additionally, he bought the card because it was a good deal. Would he have purchased it if he had to shell out $5,000 for the card? Should he have to shell that out now because she might be a hard-luck case who didn't know what she had? I see an argument on both sides of this. She made zero effort to educate herself and didn't even sell it at auction.
Kevin
I collect PSA cards of the following: Billy Ripken Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002 Cal Ripken, Sr. Hall of Fame Rookies
So if she didn't know what she had how did she arrive at the 300 price? Just random? She also responded to it as being authentic? Interesting she knew that? Others only emailed after she mailed it? Coincidence?
<< <i>So if she didn't know what she had how did she arrive at the 300 price? Just random? She also responded to it as being authentic? Interesting she knew that? Others only emailed after she mailed it? Coincidence? >>
Exactly. Doesn't pass the smell test to me either.
Kevin
I collect PSA cards of the following: Billy Ripken Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002 Cal Ripken, Sr. Hall of Fame Rookies
Apparently I learned originally it was an auction and somebody offered her 300$ to end it and sell it as a buy it now! So she did and I just happened to buy it before the other guy did.
<< <i>Apparently I learned originally it was an auction and somebody offered her 300$ to end it and sell it as a buy it now! So she did and I just happened to buy it before the other guy did. >>
That card looks like a PSA 5 on the scans. There must be a surface issue, bend or crease bringing it down to a 3.5. Nice score😄
Collecting Clemente master (#6) and basic PSA registry sets, Hank Aaron master and basic sets, Mantle oddball issues, 1970's mega decade HOFs, 1967 Topps pin ups, and high grade Topps Clemente and Aaron. Numerous transactions with over 100 board members.
Got these back from psa today! Love the refractor card and how is shines! Disappointed but they don't grade the diamond chips anymore. Anybody else pick up anything new lately?
Just wanted to post and say I'm super jealous of that Police Issue. It's the last minor card I need as well, but I'm not ready to throw around the price it commands.
I personally feel that it has actually started to cool over the past year, after maybe peaking last summer? If you guys remember, the WBTV blue issue went nuts around May last year. Sold for something absurd like $2.5k as PSA5, then $3k, then $3.5k and maybe got as high as $5k-$6k for PSA 5/6? That's when the Orange has skyrocketed too, becoming a 5 digit card.
Nowadays, it has definitely cooled off some, partly because it has been selling "frequently" compared to the past. The last eBay sales of the PSA 5 Police I tracked were: PSA 5, 12/14/13 - $15k PSA 5, 3/23/14 - $12.3k PSA 5, 10/30/14 - $11.6k
You can see the trend. For a "holy grail" to really appreciate, it needs to experience a long drought. This doesn't even consider the HugginsandScott copy, or the PSA 2 that was bought and then continually relisted. Collectors get bored of something when it is always available for sale.
Still, definitely would like to own one someday, grats on that pickup.
As far as it being a $100k card in our lifetimes, I really doubt it. Things don't become expensive purely based on rarity, there has to be a large increase in demand too. I don't see any new Ripken collectors really entering the scene, only people leaving (like Russ on FCB). Though you do have some demand from speculators and "investors", I don't see that as being enough.
It does remain to be seen how the eventual passing of Ripken will influence his prices though. It'll be a sad day for us, but I assume that would affect prices significantly. I'm not an expert on Gwynn's prices, but I believe his PSA10 rookies did double within a week or two of his passing, and have cooled off to about 1.25-1.5x where they were before his death.
Cal Ripken Collector
Always looking for MINT graded items, 90s inserts and random memorabilia.
And also, to add some input to the thread, I did finish up my PSA10 Topps Ripken base card 1982-2000 set a couple months back. Got stuck on the 1998 and 1999 forever until 4SC listed a couple more for sale.
Cal Ripken Collector
Always looking for MINT graded items, 90s inserts and random memorabilia.
<< <i>Just wanted to post and say I'm super jealous of that Police Issue. It's the last minor card I need as well, but I'm not ready to throw around the price it commands.
I personally feel that it has actually started to cool over the past year, after maybe peaking last summer? If you guys remember, the WBTV blue issue went nuts around May last year. Sold for something absurd like $2.5k as PSA5, then $3k, then $3.5k and maybe got as high as $5k-$6k for PSA 5/6? That's when the Orange has skyrocketed too, becoming a 5 digit card.
Nowadays, it has definitely cooled off some, partly because it has been selling "frequently" compared to the past. The last eBay sales of the PSA 5 Police I tracked were: PSA 5, 12/14/13 - $15k PSA 5, 3/23/14 - $12.3k PSA 5, 10/30/14 - $11.6k
You can see the trend. For a "holy grail" to really appreciate, it needs to experience a long drought. This doesn't even consider the HugginsandScott copy, or the PSA 2 that was bought and then continually relisted. Collectors get bored of something when it is always available for sale.
Still, definitely would like to own one someday, grats on that pickup.
As far as it being a $100k card in our lifetimes, I really doubt it. Things don't become expensive purely based on rarity, there has to be a large increase in demand too. I don't see any new Ripken collectors really entering the scene, only people leaving (like Russ on FCB). Though you do have some demand from speculators and "investors", I don't see that as being enough.
It does remain to be seen how the eventual passing of Ripken will influence his prices though. It'll be a sad day for us, but I assume that would affect prices significantly. I'm not an expert on Gwynn's prices, but I believe his PSA10 rookies did double within a week or two of his passing, and have cooled off to about 1.25-1.5x where they were before his death. >>
What are the details on the October 30 sale?I apparently missed it. There was also a PSA 5 included in a 1980 Charlotte Police lot that had 24 of the 25 cards. The lot sold for $10,200 August 2.
I saw this in the other thread! It is georgeous! I love the letters on top! This was a really cool and creative idea you can enjoy for a long long time!
What do the cards sit in? Are they in protection or just sitting in there?
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These popped today just wanted to share!
All cards were bought raw off eBay so I'm happy with all the grades. I knew the Ripken/Gehrig was not the best so I was hoping for a 8, so I'm very happy with a 8.5!
Some nice 10's on some nice cards also!
1 1 23107509 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 2003 Spx Game Used Combos C-CL Cal Ripken Jr./Lou Gehrig Card
2 1 23107510 GEM MINT 10 2000 Finest 275 Cal Ripken Jr./Chipper Jones Gold Refractor Card
3 1 23107511 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2002 Ultra Glove Works Memorabilia Cal Ripken Jr. Card
4 1 23107512 MINT 9 1996 Leaf 21 Cal Ripken Jr. Press Proof-Gold Card
5 1 23107513 NEAR MINT-MINT+ 8.5 1997 SP Game Film GF4 Cal Ripken Jr.
6 1 23107514 NEAR MINT 7 1998 Ultra Ticket Studs 13 Cal Ripken Jr. Card
7 1 23107515 GEM MINT 10 1997 Finest Embossed 334 Cal Ripken Jr. Die-Cut Card
8 1 23107516 MINT 9 2000 Upper Deck Faces of the Game F16 Cal Ripken Jr. Silver Card
9 1 23107517 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 1996 Studio Press Proof 1 Cal Ripken Jr. Bronze Card
10. 1 23107522 GEM MINT 10 2014 Topps Archives 113 Cal Ripken Jr. Silver
11 1. 23107523 NEAR MINT-MINT 8 2014 Topps Archives 113 Cal Ripken Jr. Gold
That couldn't have been real?!?
<< <i>Just curious did anyone notice the 1980 orange police Ripken card that sold on eBay last night as a BIN for 300$
That couldn't have been real?!? >>
I was too busy looking at all of the thongs and Boscovs Santa ornaments that I forgot all about their orange border police issue. I'm being sarcastic, but I'd never buy a card like that from a seller with those items. Maybe it's real and I made a huge mistake not bidding, but I'll sleep well either way.
Seemed very sketchy.
Id be curious to know what Ripkenintheminors has to say.
Kevin
Billy Ripken
Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002
Cal Ripken, Sr.
Hall of Fame Rookies
Mentioning the other items this person has for sale makes even more sense as to why it would sell for so little and with such amateur photos/description.
Kevin
Billy Ripken
Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002
Cal Ripken, Sr.
Hall of Fame Rookies
I would consider this card the Wagner of Minor League baseball cards. It is as rare, if not more rare than the Wagner, and has an interesting origin story to go along with it just like the Wagner. I think in 20 years, the 1980 Orange Ripken could be a $100,000+ card in PSA 7 or better condition. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I really think it is possible. It is just that rare.
Kevin
Billy Ripken
Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002
Cal Ripken, Sr.
Hall of Fame Rookies
<< <i>I think the borders look good too. If this was a vindictive girlfriend or wife, I feel real sorry for the guy. >>
If so, he must have done something really bad. Because that is just cruel.
Kevin
Billy Ripken
Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002
Cal Ripken, Sr.
Hall of Fame Rookies
I hope you guys are right about it being real.
One question I have when I put the card in a card saver it felt a little flimsy, lighter weight then most cards is that normal for that card to have that feel? There is a small indentation on his shoulder so I assume that will take the grade down to at least a 5.
"That could be an incredible win for the bidder. Were you the winning bidder? As far as verifying the authenticity of the card, you have to take in consideration that we have to rely on scans on a screen. The best way to verify a 1980 Charlotte card is by holding it and shining it up to the light. However, the colors on the front of the card look good and the line breaks on the back of the card match up with authenticated examples of the Charlotte Ripken. Considering the price of $300, ebay's buyer protection policy, and the scans provided, I would have no problem hitting that buy it now. At the same time, anything that seems too good to be true tends to have flaws. One would think that a person owning a card of that stature would know what they have. In addition, the card made its way to Maryland. One would think a seller in Maryland would've had plenty of resources to inquire about a Ripken card. At the same time, stranger things have happened. A known Ripken Charlotte Police card once sold for $250 on ebay. I would love to hear more about the card."
Regarding the card stock, that also sounds like it's authentic. This is from RITM's website:
"The authenticity of the set is also protected in something that actually hindered the ability to keep the set in great condition - the paper the cards were printed on. The paper that the blue and orange Charlotte cards were printed on was a very thin and flimsy stock. In fact, it is not uncommon to be able to see the printing from the back of an orange card when looking at the front of an orange card. The disadvantage of this tip is that to review the stock of the card, you have to purchase the card in person and/or be dealing with someone that is willing to let you take the card from its protective case.
The good news for you as a collector is that there are authenticated copies of the blue and orange Ripken Charlotte cards from time to time. Buying an authenticated copy will keep you from the guesswork on the authenticity. Will it cost more to have an authenticated copy? Yes. Is the additional cost worth it? Absolutely. You may have to use some patience as you wait for a copy, but it truly is better to be safe than sorry. In the event that you choose to go the route of buying a Charlotte Ripken card of Cal that has not been authenticated, be sure to look at the warning signs. In addition, remember that even wih the tips provided above for spotting a fake, new advancements is made in technology every single day. As technology advances, the ability to recreate a more authentic looking copy of this card will take place. If I can ever be of any assistance, feel free to contact me at any time at ripkenintheminors@hotmail.com"
If I were you I would be feeling pretty confident right now... it appears to be a good card. Good luck with the grading!!
<< <i>So I gotta admit I was the one that bought the card. I just wanted to see what others said about it first and wait till I had it in hand before I said anything. I got the card and sending it to psa already.
I hope you guys are right about it being real.
One question I have when I put the card in a card saver it felt a little flimsy, lighter weight then most cards is that normal for that card to have that feel? There is a small indentation on his shoulder so I assume that will take the grade down to at least a 5. >>
The fact that it is flimsy pretty much cinches it. My opinion: it is real and you got the steal of the century. Even as a PSA 1 you are looking at a very nice card. If you have any interest in selling it, let me know. An indent could knock it down to a PSA 4 possibly. Not sure. Pretty sure it is real though. I think she didn't know what she had. When you look at it and don't know what you are looking at, it looks pretty amateurish to be honest. The lines aren't straight, the picture is fuzzy, and the back lines look drawn with a pen and aren't even connected well. It doesn't look valuable, but it is.
I wonder if she knows the original owner or if she is the original owner? It would interesting for ripkenintheminors to follow up.
Kevin
Billy Ripken
Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002
Cal Ripken, Sr.
Hall of Fame Rookies
Already sent to psa should be there tomorrow at 3!
I don't care the grade honestly just to have the real copy is awesome!!!
So after I saw it on eBay I emailed the seller right away, asked if it was original or fake? She writes back pretty quick it's original. So I buy it right away, I figured if it's fake I have eBay and paypal to go back on. So wasn't to worried about that. So the next day she emails me and says people have emailed her saying she was dumb to sell it and it's worth a lot more if it's real. Thank goodness she had already sent it lol. She is a very nice lady(I suspect elderly). She also said she only sold it to buy oil for heat in the winter. She also said if it was fake please send it back and she would reimburse me my money. So I feel what do I have to lose really? (Psa fees I guess but worth the risk). I asked her how she got the card. She said her husband grew up in NC and a family member gave it to him years and years ago. He passed away 3 years ago and she said it has sat in a cedar chest for years. So I feel bad for the lady in one sense as she def didn't know what she had. (If it's real I may give her a little more money as it sounds like she might need it).
Once I hear back from psa on the authenticity and grade I will def share it with you guys!
As far as the comparison of the Ripken to the Wagner, there are more known Wagners than Ripkens. The Police Ripken should be a $10K card in any condition. When prices exploded and the first orange Ripken hit $10K the skeptics said the pop report would explode. It has not happened.
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<< <i>The best test of a 1980 Charlotte card is the test of the stock. Regardless of any advancements in printing, the stock of the card serves as the saving grace. When you hold up a card to the light you can nearly see through it. You have to hold one in person to truly understand. It is impossible for me to authenticate based on scans alone. However, the scans and colors are looking promising. Hearing that the card is flimsy is a positive as well.
As far as the comparison of the Ripken to the Wagner, there are more known Wagners than Ripkens. The Police Ripken should be a $10K card in any condition. When prices exploded and the first orange Ripken hit $10K the skeptics said the pop report would explode. It has not happened. >>
Do you think the 1980 Orange Ripken in PSA 7 or higher could be a $100,000 card in 20 years? Would you say it is the Wagner of the minor league cards or is there one better that you can think of?
Kevin
Billy Ripken
Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002
Cal Ripken, Sr.
Hall of Fame Rookies
Gonna be a long weekend lol.
<< <i>So it's in the hands of psa. But won't be graded till Monday.
Gonna be a long weekend lol. >>
What service did you use?
Kevin
Billy Ripken
Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002
Cal Ripken, Sr.
Hall of Fame Rookies
I put declared value 9950$ I didn't want to put over 10k and have to pay 500$.
It arrived there at 955am but they didn't sign for it till 12:17. So I guess they have to have it for a "full day".
Which kinda sucks for that kinda money.
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Definitely a long weekend.
From what's been said its looking positive.
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<< <i>The best test of a 1980 Charlotte card is the test of the stock. Regardless of any advancements in printing, the stock of the card serves as the saving grace. When you hold up a card to the light you can nearly see through it. You have to hold one in person to truly understand. It is impossible for me to authenticate based on scans alone. However, the scans and colors are looking promising. Hearing that the card is flimsy is a positive as well.
As far as the comparison of the Ripken to the Wagner, there are more known Wagners than Ripkens. The Police Ripken should be a $10K card in any condition. When prices exploded and the first orange Ripken hit $10K the skeptics said the pop report would explode. It has not happened. >>
Do you think the 1980 Orange Ripken in PSA 7 or higher could be a $100,000 card in 20 years? Would you say it is the Wagner of the minor league cards or is there one better that you can think of?
Kevin >>
Hi Kevin. Really tough to project what the orange Ripken could do in the future. There are so many factors. Will the population report stay the same? Will the population report increase? Going a step further, $100K is a lot of money. There is a small percentage of collectors who can spend that type of money on a card.
With all of that said, 8 years ago the thought of someone paying over $2,000 for a Police Ripken brought about some second guessing. Now they are regularly hovering the $10K mark. What I know is that the highest price paid for an orange Ripken is $22,515 (Huggins and Scott, February 2014). That auction featured a complete Police set sold in three lots. In all, the set brought $25,714.15. Could we see the day of a high grade Police Ripken hitting $100K? Possibly. That's just my opinion. At the same time, I am of the opinion that the card is a $10K card in any grade based on the player, pop reports, and story surrounding the card.
As far as calling the Police Ripken the Wagner of minor league cards, I tend to be careful with putting descriptions on cards. I think the Police Ripken is one of the great cards in hobby history. In a sense I think you can build a case that the card is the modern generation Wagner. It is an amazing card with a great story and unique circumstances. I don't want the card to stand alone as a minor league card. It's a great card. I do not know that you would find another minor league card bringing the premiums of the Police Ripken but my knowledge is pretty limited to Ripken.
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I would hope that if the card turns out to be real that you will give more than a little more money.
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<< <i>[i (If it's real I may give her a little more money as it sounds like she might need it). ]
I would hope that if the card turns out to be real that you will give more than a little more money. >>
Perhaps I am in the minority, but I considered the fact that maybe she told him she sold it to pay bills to either get him to send it back or to guilt him into giving her more money. Not entirely sure I buy her story given what she now knows about the card.
Bottom line is she should have been more informed about what she was selling.
I'm not sure what I would do in this situation or what amount of additional money would be appropriate. Perhaps sell the card and split the proceeds? I really don't know. In any case, you sell on eBay you should be informed about what you sell.
Additionally, he bought the card because it was a good deal. Would he have purchased it if he had to shell out $5,000 for the card? Should he have to shell that out now because she might be a hard-luck case who didn't know what she had? I see an argument on both sides of this. She made zero effort to educate herself and didn't even sell it at auction.
Kevin
Billy Ripken
Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002
Cal Ripken, Sr.
Hall of Fame Rookies
She also responded to it as being authentic? Interesting she knew that?
Others only emailed after she mailed it? Coincidence?
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<< <i>So if she didn't know what she had how did she arrive at the 300 price? Just random?
She also responded to it as being authentic? Interesting she knew that?
Others only emailed after she mailed it? Coincidence? >>
Exactly. Doesn't pass the smell test to me either.
Kevin
Billy Ripken
Cal Ripken, Jr. 1980-2002
Cal Ripken, Sr.
Hall of Fame Rookies
So she did and I just happened to buy it before the other guy did.
<< <i>Apparently I learned originally it was an auction and somebody offered her 300$ to end it and sell it as a buy it now!
So she did and I just happened to buy it before the other guy did. >>
Seems far fetched but maybe you never know?
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Love the refractor card and how is shines! Disappointed but they don't grade the diamond chips anymore.
Anybody else pick up anything new lately?
I personally feel that it has actually started to cool over the past year, after maybe peaking last summer? If you guys remember, the WBTV blue issue went nuts around May last year. Sold for something absurd like $2.5k as PSA5, then $3k, then $3.5k and maybe got as high as $5k-$6k for PSA 5/6? That's when the Orange has skyrocketed too, becoming a 5 digit card.
Nowadays, it has definitely cooled off some, partly because it has been selling "frequently" compared to the past. The last eBay sales of the PSA 5 Police I tracked were:
PSA 5, 12/14/13 - $15k
PSA 5, 3/23/14 - $12.3k
PSA 5, 10/30/14 - $11.6k
You can see the trend. For a "holy grail" to really appreciate, it needs to experience a long drought. This doesn't even consider the HugginsandScott copy, or the PSA 2 that was bought and then continually relisted. Collectors get bored of something when it is always available for sale.
Still, definitely would like to own one someday, grats on that pickup.
As far as it being a $100k card in our lifetimes, I really doubt it. Things don't become expensive purely based on rarity, there has to be a large increase in demand too. I don't see any new Ripken collectors really entering the scene, only people leaving (like Russ on FCB). Though you do have some demand from speculators and "investors", I don't see that as being enough.
It does remain to be seen how the eventual passing of Ripken will influence his prices though. It'll be a sad day for us, but I assume that would affect prices significantly. I'm not an expert on Gwynn's prices, but I believe his PSA10 rookies did double within a week or two of his passing, and have cooled off to about 1.25-1.5x where they were before his death.
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Always looking for MINT graded items, 90s inserts and random memorabilia.
<< <i>Just wanted to post and say I'm super jealous of that Police Issue. It's the last minor card I need as well, but I'm not ready to throw around the price it commands.
I personally feel that it has actually started to cool over the past year, after maybe peaking last summer? If you guys remember, the WBTV blue issue went nuts around May last year. Sold for something absurd like $2.5k as PSA5, then $3k, then $3.5k and maybe got as high as $5k-$6k for PSA 5/6? That's when the Orange has skyrocketed too, becoming a 5 digit card.
Nowadays, it has definitely cooled off some, partly because it has been selling "frequently" compared to the past. The last eBay sales of the PSA 5 Police I tracked were:
PSA 5, 12/14/13 - $15k
PSA 5, 3/23/14 - $12.3k
PSA 5, 10/30/14 - $11.6k
You can see the trend. For a "holy grail" to really appreciate, it needs to experience a long drought. This doesn't even consider the HugginsandScott copy, or the PSA 2 that was bought and then continually relisted. Collectors get bored of something when it is always available for sale.
Still, definitely would like to own one someday, grats on that pickup.
As far as it being a $100k card in our lifetimes, I really doubt it. Things don't become expensive purely based on rarity, there has to be a large increase in demand too. I don't see any new Ripken collectors really entering the scene, only people leaving (like Russ on FCB). Though you do have some demand from speculators and "investors", I don't see that as being enough.
It does remain to be seen how the eventual passing of Ripken will influence his prices though. It'll be a sad day for us, but I assume that would affect prices significantly. I'm not an expert on Gwynn's prices, but I believe his PSA10 rookies did double within a week or two of his passing, and have cooled off to about 1.25-1.5x where they were before his death. >>
What are the details on the October 30 sale?I apparently missed it. There was also a PSA 5 included in a 1980 Charlotte Police lot that had 24 of the 25 cards. The lot sold for $10,200 August 2.
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<< <i>What are the details on the October 30 sale? >>
Oct 30 PSA 5 orange border
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<< <i>What are the details on the October 30 sale? >>
Oct 30 PSA 5 orange border >>
Thank you!
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I saw this in the other thread!
It is georgeous! I love the letters on top!
This was a really cool and creative idea you can enjoy for a long long time!
What do the cards sit in? Are they in protection or just sitting in there?