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  • zef204zef204 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭
    Ted-

    I have done nearly the same thing the seller has done, without the snide remarks. I too am busy and selling chit on eBay is a side thing in order for me to get more stuff I want. But, when I have overlooked that it had been some time(3weeks, maybe more, maybe less) and the guy marks it as sent. I will immediately file the NPB. I don't know many of the buyers and if it is a first or even 2nd transaction, I file it because I think they might be buying some time and not actually sending payment. I typically will file NPB within 10-14 days if I have not gotten a response to my initial or 3 day reminder invoice.

    I do not understand why he wouldn't send you the card once he got the payment. I will close an NPB the minute a payment is recieved and promtly send out the card. That part of this transaction is fishy, but I think by you sending a "Payment Sent" to him was a reminder that he hadn't gotten paid.
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  • EAsportsEAsports Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭
    Echoing what zef said....

    There are two things at play here...

    First. You were late. 3 weeks is pushing the boundaries of my patience for payment as well. If I had sold this item.... if I hadn't received payment in 14 days (even though my auctions say 10 days). I'll start the NPB process to get my fees back, so I can relist the item.

    Second. (And here's the "but" part.) The seller didn't file an NPB until he knew payment was on the way. Which indicates to me that he wasn't concerned about it until he saw he was going to have to sell it at that price. It seems very much as if he was "laying low" and hoping you would forget about it, so he could resell it.

    IMHO, take the check back, and eat the transaction. You screwed up (maybe), he screwed up (maybe). Just call it a wash. If you're unhappy with it, don't buy from him again.

    My $.02....

    Ethan
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  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭


    << <i>FYI he sent the initial email, and I never responded, my fault. >>



    Not to be harsh on you but it should end right there. Everything else you posted are excuses; nothing more, nothing less.

    If you bid on an item, it is your responsibility to live up to your side of the deal in a timely matter. In this situation, Ted, you didn't. Not responding to a Seller's email or even making contact for almost a month is wrong. Had you paid for auction, just like you did with others, this would have never happened.

    Lesson learned and move on..
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • DaBigHurtDaBigHurt Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    If your real life is so busy, maybe you shouldn't be bidding for cards on Ebay you don't have time to pay for?

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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If your real life is so busy, maybe you shouldn't be bidding for cards on Ebay you don't have time to pay for? >>



    Thanks genius, but I think I already mentioned that. Now back to our regular scheduled program

    After rading the posts, I agree I was wrong, maybe he was wrong, who really cares. The reason i went "All the way to the bank" is to make it EASIER for the seller.(haha why would I do that, who cares anyways) Since it had already been SOOOOO long, I figured what is a few more days, send him the bank check (which is 6 dollars) and make him happy. Well, I guess it didn't work. i was actually wondering where the heck the card was when I realized I hadn't paid... D'OH! Thanks guys for helping me out and letting me vent, even if it was just a little image SIDE with me since I am good and you like me...would have been a great arguement, but I am always up for debate! As far as leaving a positive..I don't 'TINK' so!
  • DaBigHurtDaBigHurt Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    I didn't see you mention how you had enough time to scour/buy on Ebay, but not enough time to actually follow through on a winning bid.

    Maybe it was buried between your dozen or so crazy excuses as to why you didn't pay for the auction. image

    My apologies if I missed it!
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  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I didn't see you mention how you had enough time to scour/buy on Ebay, but not enough time to actually follow through on a winning bid.

    Maybe it was buried between your dozen or so crazy excuses as to why you didn't pay for the auction. image >>




    Ted knows he was wrong, I really dont think he needs this shoved in his face any longer. Everyone is entitled to an occassional brain fart. In fact, I think it would be safe to say that everyone has had one at some point in their life.
  • DaBigHurtDaBigHurt Posts: 1,066 ✭✭
    I hardly think I was shoving anything into his face, but understand the gist of your post.

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  • kobykoby Posts: 1,699 ✭✭
    If you are unhappy with the transaction, you should just leave the seller a negative feedback. That is what the ebay feedback system is for.
  • A neg on this deal from either party is absurd.
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  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    On the opposite end I had a buyer pay by Pay Pal on an auction for over $300 that ended on a Thursday, I sent the cards UPS next day on the following Monday. By the time I got home he had already pulled his payment out of Pay Pal and accused me of not sending on time. Both Ebay and Pay Pal sided with him and I had to give him his money back. His reason was that he was going to a show on Sat and wanted to flip them and since he paid by Pay Pal on Thursday I should of sent them that day. I still can't believe that Pay Pal agreed that if a buyer is unhappy for any reason they get their money back.
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  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "I still can't believe that Pay Pal agreed that if a buyer is unhappy for any reason they get their money back. "

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    The PayPal "seller protection plan" allows 7-days for the seller to ship.
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  • MorgothMorgoth Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭
    It had something to do with him using a credit card and that he could use basically any reason for being unhappy. I think the shipping thing was just an excuse and he had buyers remorse. He even tried to get me to do a mutual feedback withdrawl after he got his money.
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  • Hello-

    I am the seller in question. I would have responded sooner but I had to create a login account. Let me start by stating the FACTS:

    After sending an invoice and no response in 14 days I sent a payment reminder. After another week with no repsonse I filed a dispute. The day after I filed (not hours) you decide to email me through eBay that payment was marked sent. Who cares if payment was marked sent. It had been 3+ weeks and I didnt have it. The day I started the dispute was the day another buyer contacted me with a list and that card he needed was the one you failed to follow through on. I replied to your response that the card is no longer available and if you decided to give good feedback then I would remove the dipsute. I really figured maybe you were smart enough to know that would be in your favor.............guess not. Also I see you mentioned that I did't want to sell it because you won it cheap. Look at every other CJ I sold that day! They all went cheap. Ask the other 40 buyers who gladly paid for their cheap item how their transaction went. As for the $10 shipping, it was left in the invoice accidentally because I had some other expensive cards listed that day with shipping at $10 INSURED. If you would have followed through with the transaction, you would have known that I only charged people $5 INSURED because almost everbody else caught it before they sent payment.

    Now to prove that I am not out to rip you off from your great deal here is what I am going to do:

    I am going to call the second buyer and see if he will let me have it back. If he will not I am going to send you a graded T206 along with your check back for your troubles.........if it ever arrives. I know most people who won a card at a "great price" would have just shut up and sent their $$$ next day. I DO NOT use PAYPAL because it is MY CHOICE. READ MY DESCRIPTIONS. I have had nobody else complain of paypal issue until now.

    As far as GOJI yes I do promote it on my page and IT Works........I challenge anyone who reads this to order a case and if it doesnt work I will get every dime back for you and send you a complementary t206 card. The company has a 90 day 100% refund gaurantee on this product because IT WORKS. Don't be an idiot. Read up on it before basing your decisions.


    Thanks,

    vintage*investments
  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,490 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ted

    Have you contacted ebay about this?

    Did the seller contact you asking for the money?

    I may have missed these questions - but if he hasn't - ebay should know about it.

    Although you were late, you did pay - and he closed the door right after? That's a bit much.

    Sorry to hear about it - BTW what is the approx. SMR on this card?

    Good luck on getting this resolved.
    mike

    edit: I wrote this before I saw the post by the seller - his offering seems very fair IMO.
    Mike
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    well I gotta say I am a bit shocked to see Vintage investments here on the boards. I had no idea he had already sent it to the underbidder, his words were he was going to relist and eat the fees. Sorry again for the extreme delay in payment. I had o idea you could file a npb after the 7th day!
  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,572 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jason, I don't think anyone here has found you to be unreasonable or at fault in this matter.
    I think your first offer to Ted was very fair and your offer now is above board. Good luck
    on your future sales. Joe
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • Ted-

    Why be shocked? I have nothing to hide. Matter of fact, I try to go way out of the way to satisfy customers. First of all I never told you I was going to relist the item. I sold the card to a guy I know filling a set. It was not sold to an underbidder. Like I said I am working on trying to get it back, but if I cannot will you accept the T206 as a token of my good will? I will send the check back with the T206 graded card or I will cash it and send the Vaughn IF I can get it back.

    Jason

    P.S. Sounds to me like you just need to get on the Goji juice to ease your ailments. Sometimes ailments can make one crabby. Check it out--- www.jasonduncan.freelife.com
  • Wow. Admittedly, I don't ebay as much as a lot of guys here but I doubt I've run into a seller who would do what Jason is doing on this. Kudos to you Jason.

    Arthur

    PS. You don't happen to sell boxing cards, do you? image
  • bishopbishop Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭
    Mr Duncan appears to be a very fair man to me
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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,490 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that Jason has shown class in clearing up this matter - IMO.

    But, also Ted has edited his title which takes the sting off of the deal - also showing class.

    I'm happy this was cleared up.

    I would be more than happy to buy from this seller.

    mike
    Mike
  • bishopbishop Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭
    Mike
    I bet you would make a lousy little league coach. You wouldn't be happy until the game ended in a tie.

    On second thought, you would probably make a great coach
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    I think that Jason has shown class in clearing up this matter - IMO.

    But, also Ted has edited his title which takes the sting off of the deal - also showing class.

    I'm happy this was cleared up.

    I would be more than happy to buy from this seller.

    mike

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    And sell to Rip, since I know where I can find him. imageimage
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
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    Props to Jason and Rip.

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    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    I guess a steel cage match is out of the question at this point. Dammit.

    Lee
  • lawnmowermanlawnmowerman Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I guess a steel cage match is out of the question at this point. Dammit.

    Lee >>

    Yeah I agree. Ted has a bunch of nail guns. It could have been pretty interesting
  • stownstown Posts: 11,321 ✭✭✭
    Strike what I previously said.

    You guys are acting like a bunch of girls.

    5 Rounds UFC/Pride/WWF (or E, I don't know) style, no holds barred (including folding chairs).

    Winner takes all.

    image
    So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
  • I prefer UFC style myself........WWC is for sissies. Nail guns would be OK as I have an arsenal myself. Just kidding......

    Ted-

    The guy plans to keep the CJ. I will send back your check when I get it and a t206 PSA graded card will follow once feedback is reciprocated for your satisfaction in this matter.

    Thanks
    Jason
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Mr. Duncan appears to be more then fair.


    Steve
    Good for you.
  • CDsNutsCDsNuts Posts: 10,092
    Funny how it can get out of hand when two seemingly reasonable people see things in a different way. Most likely the reason is you walk into every situation as skeptical because the world is so full of a-holes and ripoff artists, that when something goes slightly wrong you automatically assume the worst in people. It sucks being a realist.

    Lee
  • I received payment. I will be shipping the check back. Let me know when you want me to send the complimentary t206.

    Jason
  • Jason, still waiting to receive payment, feel free to send the t206 when you have a moment. Sorry for the confusion. I actually bought a BVG of the same card and had received it at the same time I bid on your card. I kept skipping over your item thinking I had paid, since I had already received the itemimage DER!
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I received payment. I will be shipping the check back. Let me know when you want me to send the complimentary t206.

    Jason >>



    This was from seller on 2/16

    Just got word he is sending payment back today 2/22 I will keep the board updated
  • Teddy-

    Email me your address again for the complimentary card. Email is dduncanvintage@aol.com


    Jason
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Ted-

    Why be shocked? I have nothing to hide. Matter of fact, I try to go way out of the way to satisfy customers. First of all I never told you I was going to relist the item. I sold the card to a guy I know filling a set. It was not sold to an underbidder. Like I said I am working on trying to get it back, but if I cannot will you accept the T206 as a token of my good will? I will send the check back with the T206 graded card or I will cash it and send the Vaughn IF I can get it back.

    Jason

    P.S. Sounds to me like you just need to get on the Goji juice to ease your ailments. Sometimes ailments can make one crabby. Check it out--- www.jasonduncan.freelife.com >>



    Our friend Jason, after NUMEROUS emails, never sent my "bonus" T206 for my troubles??? Then he said he would only send the card if I left a positive for him, which I did and still nothing! Maybe "whoever" alerted him to this thread can let him know "THANKS ALOT"
  • zef204zef204 Posts: 4,742 ✭✭


    << <i>Hello-

    I am the seller in question. I would have responded sooner but I had to create a login account. Let me start by stating the FACTS:

    After sending an invoice and no response in 14 days I sent a payment reminder. After another week with no repsonse I filed a dispute. The day after I filed (not hours) you decide to email me through eBay that payment was marked sent. Who cares if payment was marked sent. It had been 3+ weeks and I didnt have it. The day I started the dispute was the day another buyer contacted me with a list and that card he needed was the one you failed to follow through on. I replied to your response that the card is no longer available and if you decided to give good feedback then I would remove the dipsute. I really figured maybe you were smart enough to know that would be in your favor.............guess not. Also I see you mentioned that I did't want to sell it because you won it cheap. Look at every other CJ I sold that day! They all went cheap. Ask the other 40 buyers who gladly paid for their cheap item how their transaction went. As for the $10 shipping, it was left in the invoice accidentally because I had some other expensive cards listed that day with shipping at $10 INSURED. If you would have followed through with the transaction, you would have known that I only charged people $5 INSURED because almost everbody else caught it before they sent payment.

    Now to prove that I am not out to rip you off from your great deal here is what I am going to do:

    I am going to call the second buyer and see if he will let me have it back. If he will not I am going to send you a graded T206 along with your check back for your troubles.........if it ever arrives. I know most people who won a card at a "great price" would have just shut up and sent their $$$ next day. I DO NOT use PAYPAL because it is MY CHOICE. READ MY DESCRIPTIONS. I have had nobody else complain of paypal issue until now.

    As far as GOJI yes I do promote it on my page and IT Works........I challenge anyone who reads this to order a case and if it doesnt work I will get every dime back for you and send you a complementary t206 card. The company has a 90 day 100% refund gaurantee on this product because IT WORKS. Don't be an idiot. Read up on it before basing your decisions.


    Thanks,
    Jason Duncan
    816-294-9847
    vintage*investments >>



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  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    and as far as using the Goji juice, why don't you fill up a squirt bottle and give urself and enema
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭
    Sorry it didn't work out for you RIM. I'm waiting until May 4 (the last day I can) to leave a well-deserved neg for the seller who happily took my $30, but never saw fit to send my item - despite one cheesy promise "to do so" and no contact since. image
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    He can STILL neg you back even AFTER the 90 day window!
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    nevermind i misread.......what a real jerk that guy is.


    And fwiw the waiting til the 90th day does not work. Original you may as well neg the ba$turd now.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    Don't be an idiot. Read up on it before basing your decisions.


    looks like the only idiot is duncanvintageungotz.

    Steve
    Good for you.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,864 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What would you expect from a guy who sells something called GOJI juice.


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • You should try some. It may help out your sour attitude! Once a troll always a troll I suppose. It is funny how you all like to nose in other people's business without knowing facts. I am going to have a round of Goji for you all tonight. Everyone here is an expert I see. The next time I need advice on how to run my site or deal with morons I will be sure to address this forum for the propper etiquette on doing so. That is what is wrong this society. Liberalistic ideals: everyone wants a handout and it is never your fault. Let's always blame someone else. WAH WAH WAH! Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions or LACK OF THEREOF. You should have paid for the item on time and not cried the blues on the forum when I decided to sell the item elsewhere after 4 weeks. I then offer a more than fair proposition (t206 common graded) just to shut up your moaning and you still fail to email me shipping info for several more weeks. Pal......I do not know what you expect. I was more than fair. You snooze you loose! You may not like it but you will have to lump it! Just let it go. The best thing for you to do now is to let it go and move on. Life is too short! Drink Goji and add some years.


  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    goji juice causes cancer.
    ·p_A·
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, I thought that was the case, RIM - but regardless, he really deserves it, in my case. He got my $ and I got nada.

    How do I go about zinging him with a neg without getting retaliated? image
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭
    I cant imagone who is "tipping" (actual word for a begining of an enema) vintage cards off? I emailed him weeks ago "where is my t205, I already left a positive (against my better judgement)" He has all of my info anyways since we had a transaction including my address HE EVEN MAILED ME BACK MY PAYMENT he doesn't take paypal. anyways just a follow up here is his post in case he tries to delete it and I am SURE no board members would want to deal weith him after this FIASCO. Screw the damn t206, just to have nobody from these boards buy a penny sleeve from him will make me happy (no Goji required)


    You should try some. It may help out your sour attitude! Once a troll always a troll I suppose. It is funny how you all like to nose in other people's business without knowing facts. I am going to have a round of Goji for you all tonight. Everyone here is an expert I see. The next time I need advice on how to run my site or deal with morons I will be sure to address this forum for the propper etiquette on doing so. That is what is wrong this society. Liberalistic ideals: everyone wants a handout and it is never your fault. Let's always blame someone else. WAH WAH WAH! Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions or LACK OF THEREOF. You should have paid for the item on time and not cried the blues on the forum when I decided to sell the item elsewhere after 4 weeks. I then offer a more than fair proposition (t206 common graded) just to shut up your moaning and you still fail to email me shipping info for several more weeks. Pal......I do not know what you expect. I was more than fair. You snooze you loose! You may not like it but you will have to lump it! Just let it go. The best thing for you to do now is to let it go and move on. Life is too short! Drink Goji and add some years.
  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,864 ✭✭✭✭✭
    goji juice causes cancer.

    And man breasts! image


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • storm888storm888 Posts: 11,701 ✭✭✭
    "goji juice causes cancer. "

    /////////////////////////////////////

    How long does that take?

    If you only drink small amounts, will you still get cancer?

    Thanks.
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  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,864 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The next time I need advice on how to run my site or deal with morons

    You'll look in the mirror and talk to yourself?


    Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,971 ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks WinPitcher - I'll be sure to neg him regardless of what he does in return.

    Something factual, but damning: I'm thinking along the lines of:


    "paid by paypal. One email 3 weeks later promised to send. No email since, and no item either."


    without saying "thief" etc., that excites people into neging back - even tho that's 'zactly the case, in my case. image
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