seller Vintage*investments ends up being a liar and loser
RipublicaninMass
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What should I do? He tried offering me Goji juice...is that like Mj's Jesus Juice?
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Good luck on whatever you decide to do!
Barry
how long did you wait to pay?
did you email him telling him that your payment was going to be delayed?
Sounds like you got a 'deal' on whatever it was, and he's using this as an excuse because he thinks he can sell it for more if he lists it again later.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Seeking primarily PSA graded pre-war "type" cards
My PSA Registry Sets
34 Goudey, 75 Topps Mini, Hall of Fame Complete Set, 1985 Topps Tiffany, Hall of Fame Players Complete Set
<< <i>If you want to pursue it, why don't you file a complaint via ebay that he's unwilling to sell the item to you at the agreed upon price. >>
Not a bad idea - obviously, you must be getting the card for a good price, or else why wouldn't he sell it to you? Not taking PayPal is another reason to at least give you time to get a money order, go to the post office, etc.
if you decide to post good feedback and I will reciprocate."
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If you file a NPS/NSS immediately, his language above might
save you from the strike.
It would have been better if he had left off the "I will reciprocate."
That moves the lingo out of the extortion field a little, but it still might fly
if the right/wrong EBAY T&S person looks at it.
Sometimes sellers list stuff because they need the money right away;
if the need passes, they simply refuse to sell.
EBAY almost always removes the first strike upon polite request.
I have to respectfully disagree with the others on this one. While the guy could be and probably should be more flexible, I don't think he is necessarily deserving of negative feedback just for insisting on compliance with the payment time limit stated in the listing. (I'm assuming there IS a time limit stated in the listing.)
When I sell stuff, I always give buyers extensions to make payment if they need it -- sometimes long ones. But it happens often enough that I can see how other sellers may get to the point of not wanting to deal with "the check's in the mail" anymore and adopt a no-tolerance policy. And MAYBE that's where this guy is at rather than looking for an out to try to sell whatever it is for a higher price. I'd say that the tone of his communications also suggests that he may not be evil incarnate.
And he's offering you a deal to avoid the unpaid item strike, right? If he closes the dispute before you have responded to it and within the 8-day time limit, you won't get a strike. He could also close it and prevent a strike against you by indicating to eBay that you've "both agreed not to complete the transaction." In either case, he'd have to eat the eBay fees.
There are some sellers who automatically kick a buyer to the curb and leave negative feedback for failure to pay on time, but this guy has said he won't leave you a neg and (it sounds like) he's also offering you a deal that will spare you the unpaid strike even though it will cost him the eBay fees to do so.
Obviously, your call to leave a neg if you think he's being unreasonable, Rip, and I'm sure you know better than me, but it does sound to me like he's letting you off without a scratch compared to how some others would respond.
I'd advise taking the opportunity to put whole deal behind you unscathed... Then, anonymously report him for excessive shipping on all his other auctions.
I hope it works out for you, whatever you decide to do.
That MAY be true, but the fact that the seller responded to rip's e-mail by saying he'd refuse his check if it arrived leads me to believe otherwise. If you're in a hurry to receive payment, then accept PAYPAL. You can't demand certain windows for payments to be received if your only option for payment is snail mail. Last month, my cable bill took 3 weeks to arrive. How can a seller fault a buyer for a late payment when such payment is at the mercy of the USPS delivery system. I could understand if rip refused or failed to respond to the seller's query, but that was not the case. I'd be interested to know if the item was purchased at below market value. That would explain whether it's a case of a seller who is just wanting to relist to get a higher price or if he's just unreasonable.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
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Except for his snarky email, he does not deserve a NEG.
But, the question asked was, "What should I do?;" not,
"How could I have avoided this?" Thus, I did not addy that.
The NPB needs to be responded to promptly. If the
seller closes it b4 response, buyer cannot leave FB,
but can leave a comment to FB recd.
The NPS could cancel out the NPB, if EBAY reviews it, but
often the first complainer is the victor.
The seller gets his fees back on a mutual cancel, and on
no response from buyer.
How long were you late?
Steve
Make sure you reply to the non-payment email/post. If you reply, your feedback will count, if you don't reply, your feedback will not count, but you can still leave one. He can file it 8th day and I think you have another 7 days to reply to it.
Good Luck,
Mary
Can't answer that one.
Now, he knows you can leave him/her a neg.
Please post item number.
Late 60's and early to mid 70's non-sports
Seeking primarily PSA graded pre-war "type" cards
My PSA Registry Sets
34 Goudey, 75 Topps Mini, Hall of Fame Complete Set, 1985 Topps Tiffany, Hall of Fame Players Complete Set
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Seeking primarily PSA graded pre-war "type" cards
My PSA Registry Sets
34 Goudey, 75 Topps Mini, Hall of Fame Complete Set, 1985 Topps Tiffany, Hall of Fame Players Complete Set
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That is true, so how can the buyer know? Is the "unwritten" rule 7 days, 10, days, 14 days, 21 days? I just got a payment for an auction that ended 25 days ago. I e-mailed the buyer after 2 weeks and he told me he'd be sending payment the following week, so that was fine with me. In this case, Rip responded to the seller's notice by stating that his payment had been sent. Isn't that the whole point of the ebay payment reminder system?? That a buyer respond to the notice/reminder by sending payment? That's what the NPB e-mail states in its text after all. So why should this seller REFUSE the payment Rip has already sent and then extort him for pos. FB? After all, this seller doesn't even accept Paypal so how does he know that a buyer didn't mail a payment and it got delayed in the mail? If you're going to unilaterally VOID the sale if the payment isn't received by a specific date, then you ought to be up front about that in your listing or in your e-mail to the winning bidder after the auction is over. Very shady, IMO.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Agree, but seller could also learn from this too... list when payment is due and how item will be shipped.
I hate it when seller do this...
Check item description and payment instructions or contact seller for details.
and when you check there is nothing about when payment is due or how item will be shipped for 10.00.
ebay gives a buyer 7 days to pay up... that's why a seller can file a Non-payment on the 8th day.
just my two cent.
Seeking primarily PSA graded pre-war "type" cards
My PSA Registry Sets
34 Goudey, 75 Topps Mini, Hall of Fame Complete Set, 1985 Topps Tiffany, Hall of Fame Players Complete Set
How late was the payment and when did you communicate with the Seller?
how can anyone answer that question w/o knowing how late you were?
Steve
Rip, Go ahead and tell us, we promise to go easy on you.
If ted paid within the last 3 days then i can see the seller backing out. It may have been a coincidence that he backed out the same day ted paid (or sent the check)
In any event I'd just drop it and move on
Steve
He (the seller) did nothing wrong but expect payment within a reasonable time frame (looks to be 3 weeks or maybe longer).
If you don't send a payment whether you're mailing it or using paypal for over 20 days after the auction concludes, and if you didn't communicate a reason for this delay in paying, how is the seller to blame for any of this?
Most times I am on the board members side on disputes, but I think he was
pretty nice with his first replies. If I were you I woulda been happy with the
returned check and no negs. He seems pretty fair to me. We all make
mistakes.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
bender did u mean 'seller'?
Ted maybe you can win it again? cheaper too?
Steve
Must be one heck of a trip to the bank. Rip, I think you are going to lose on this one.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Seated, sorry but I dont have free time to just go wait in line at the bank, but I hear your point
You got a point. It sure sounds like he did that on spite.
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
Rip,
I'd promised to be nice.
Now... Now... He could had mailed it Priority and insured it.
Why Neg? Seller didn't do anything wrong here.
Before you go that far... I would email him and let him know how you really feel. I am sure you can work it out. Don't neg the seller for the above. You were wrong, not the seller.
GOOD Luck
<< <i>Since the auction ended on Jan. 14th and you're not giving up the date of when the seller refused to sell the item, I have to assume it was recently, then I'll side with the buyer on this one.
bender did u mean 'seller'?
Ted maybe you can win it again? cheaper too?
Steve >>
Yeah, I typed too fast, I meant I would side with the seller on this one given the circumstances. Sorry Rip.
<< <i>I still don't understand why he'd take the time and effort to return a payment in the form of a bank check and then relist the card to wait another 2 weeks from auction start time to when he gets the second payment. Oh wait, I know why, he doesn't want to sell the card at the price rip won it for, if he were happy with the price this would not even be an issue. >>
This about nails it.
As a seller, why would you be so tough as to actually return someone's payment? What kind of precedent does that set for future business with that customer, or anyone else the customer decides to tell about his experience (like say, the CU board)? No one is perfect, and three weeks is a bit long, but not out of the ordinary for a non-PayPal auction. If I knew payment was coming (as a seller), I would be satisfied - and simply move on to the next one.
And, what is this $10 to ship a single graded card nonsense? Unless you are sending it to me FedEx Overnight, that's too much.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
As for him filling the NPB, I look at it this way - he probably had previously assumed you had, you know, actually paid. Once you did the "payment sent" thing, he knew you hadn't previously paid. So he filed the NPB since you hadn't paid within whatever his (undefined, admittedly) terms were.
As for returning the payment once received, I'm OK with the seller doing that too - he's probably thinking "why should I let this guy go 3 weeks with no contact and then let him pay me anyway? Nah, I'll sell it somebody who actually will pay on time - and maybe make more $$$ in the process." Again, I see nothing wrong with that.
Sorry Rip, you're in the wrong here.
Tabe
If I see that "You need to pay for X items" on My Ebay, I'm paying as soon as reasonably possible. Money orders and cashiers checks are a pain, but even those I send relatively quickly if I can.
Doug
You seem like a good guy but I think you might possibly be a little more sympathetic to the seller. Sure, the seller could have held the card for you for three weeks but this is a 1915 Cracker Jack, not a 1989 Donruss, and the demand for vintage stuff like this is pretty high right now. It could be that he sold the card to the underbidder or had other offers on it. And remember, eBay guidelines stipulate that a seller only has to wait 7 days until filing an unpaid item dispute. Granted, that's not reasonable in most cases, but that's what eBay rules state.
Also, to be perfectly fair and to present both sides of the "dispute", I contacted the seller and was told that he contacted you again about two weeks after the auction was over and heard nothing from you (I don't know if this is true). Then, about week later he opened a NPB dispute. A day later (approximately three weeks after the auction ended), he tells me you contacted him and told him you were sending payment. Call me crazy, but if what he says is true, I think he was pretty fair and reasonable.
Anyhow, I hope everything works out for both of you and I'm sorry about all the trouble. The final price on the card seems like a pretty good one. I wish you would have ended up with it.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, dona nobis pacem.
Almost sounds like you are the seller.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
#1 I have literally thousands of dollars in transactions in the last few weeks between buying, selling, bidding, including 1915 cj's t3 and other stuff which would "make sense" to a seller that i wanted the card, if he bother to look at what I had bid on. What probably upset him is that I paid for ALL my auctions that accept paypal) within a day or so this was ONLY a 38$ item with 10 BUCKS shipping
#2 have 400 feedback never had ONE issue paying
#3 He filed Non payment the SECOND I marked payment sent, out of spite
#4 He is going to send my check back
#5 He is extorting a postivie out of me or he will not close the non payment dispute
#6 He says he plans on relisting the item, and "better luck paying on time next time"
I know people are busy, but guys you have NO CLUE how busy my life is .....Whine whine whine, I know, send me a box of tissues for my issues! Dont bid on non-paypal auctions if it is that much of a pain in the a$$.
I bought a $4000 Diamond minute mount plow a YEAR ago, and haven't had a chance to get it installed!! I am serious!!
Talk about f'ed up my inspection sticker expire 10 of 2005 and I had a chance last WEEK to get a sticker, guess what...I lsot my damn registration. So i go all the way to the registry to get the dup reg and all the back to my car. come back at 5 pm since I dont even have 20 miutes to wait for a sticker...I lost my freakin front plate, which you MUST have in MASS. So in the AM go all the way to the registry, get a no front plate waiver, and FORGET to go to the DAMN inspection station...this was Friday. I am going to drop all of that crap off on Monday and get my sticker from an expiration OCTOBER 2005!! So in short I have barely had 20 minutes since October of 05, I am getting the plow installed Tuesday, we are supposed to get like 12 inches of snow on Thursday
I need a personal assistant UGH@
<< <i>Anyhow, I hope everything works out for both of you and I'm sorry about all the trouble. The final price on the card seems like a pretty good one. I wish you would have ended up with it.
Almost sounds like you are the seller.
FYI payment will be received tomorrow and card is NOT yet relisted!!!
could have been cosigned as well, I dont think many of this guys cards are his. He is busy selling his "get healthy quick" remedies (snake oil)
I'm not the seller but I've had several succesful transactions with him in the past and he seems like a pretty nice guy.
Ted,
I agree with you on the Himalayan Goji juice marketing scheme. Pretty strange stuff. I seriously doubt they can do a fraction of what is claimed. I did try some Goji berries a few months ago at a health food store in Florida, however. Kind of "tangy" but not too bad tasting.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi, dona nobis pacem.