Bernie Williams leaning to sign with Yankees as a minor leaguer
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I admire his loyalty. He has no interest to play anywhere else so he is going to do whatever it takes to make the Yankees.
I think he could have just as easily been hired on another team, but he chose a tougher route, but an admirable one. If he doesn't make the team, no problem, at least he tried and he is a Yankee forever. He will be a young man still with the world wide open.
I think he could have just as easily been hired on another team, but he chose a tougher route, but an admirable one. If he doesn't make the team, no problem, at least he tried and he is a Yankee forever. He will be a young man still with the world wide open.
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Good grief charlie brown - that guy should have retired years ago. And he's being lauded by yankee fans for what, hanging on too long?
Dude needs to retire and give a young gun a chance.
<< <i> Good grief charlie brown - that guy should have retired years ago. And he's being lauded by yankee fans for what, hanging on too long?
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For what? How about 4 god damn World Series rings ya freaking clueless ba$tard
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Look, how can you not see the guy needs to retire? How can you sit there and honestly defend this guy? 4 world series rings? Sure, but that was how long ago?
Its pure comedy to see these yankee nuts try to defend the indefensible.
"4 world series rings? Sure, but that was how long ago?"
How freaking old are you man? 1996, 1998, 1999, and 2000 were HOW many years ago?
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<< <i>What's your problem man?
Look, how can you not see the guy needs to retire? How can you sit there and honestly defend this guy? 4 world series rings? Sure, but that was how long ago?
Its pure comedy to see these yankee nuts try to defend the indefensible. >>
The Yankees would have won 4 world series rings with or without Bernie. With a 400 million dollar payroll, the expect to win the series each and every year. I can't figure out why people like to enshrine mediocre Yankee players as if they were heroic players of epic proportions that hurled an underdog to a pennant... Maybe if Bernie played for the Tigers and won those rings, I'd feel differently.
My freaking GOD man ...... been awhile since this kind of crap has been around
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The Yankees would have won 4 world series rings with or without Bernie. With a 400 million dollar payroll, the expect to win the series each and every year. I can't figure out why people like to enshrine mediocre Yankee players as if they were heroic players of epic proportions that hurled an underdog to a pennant... Maybe if Bernie played for the Tigers and won those rings, I'd feel differently. >>
great, another one.
In 1996 the Yankees did not sniff the highest payroll in the game. Those teams won championships with a GREAT influx of talent from the minors.
And if you think Bernie Williams was a "mediocre" player during those years then I would have to say you don't know the first god damn thing about the game or its recent history.
400 million dollar payroll
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<< <i>My problem is the not so often occurence when a true IDIOT happens upon these boards. Bernie should have retired YEARS ago? Yeah ok Einstein. Don't know how you are going to try and proove that falacy. But go right ahead and try .... and what about THIS comment?
"4 world series rings? Sure, but that was how long ago?"
How freaking old are you man? 1996, 1998, 1999, and 2000 were HOW many years ago?
I'll prove it for you. Bernie is a right fielder. The average RF knocks out 30 dingers a year and hits .280. Usually they can steal a base or two in the process, and healthy players will see 150+ games per season. Now let's look at Bernie. His past 5 seasons, beginning with 2002, he hit the following homerun totals: 19, 15, 22, 12, 12. His batting average during the same period: .333, .263, .262, .249, .281. He's only played in 150 or more games once during the past 5 seasons. The past 4 years, he hasn't had more than 71 RBIs once. He averages 2 stolen bases per season. He barely manages 19 doubles during a full season, and his slugging percentage is a miserable .430.
From his heyday, his homer production has declined by 60%. His batting average is off by 50 points. His run totals and RBI totals are down 50%, his basestealing has declined 500%, his slugging is off by 150 points. His OPS is down over 200 points. And aside from the few seasons he had a good batting average, his other numbers weren't that good to begin with! The guy is 39. "Comeback"? Hell, he's not even at "hang on". He's more like, "embarass and humiliate". I'm not down on this guy, I'm just analyzing his playing ability.
OBVIOUSLY Bernie Williams numbers have declined AS HAS HIS PLAYING TIME due to injury and age.
Don't try and sound like Joey analyst after saying THIS
<< <i>The Yankees would have won 4 world series rings with or without Bernie. With a 400 million dollar payroll, the expect to win the series each and every year. I can't figure out why people like to enshrine mediocre Yankee players as if they were heroic players of epic proportions that hurled an underdog to a pennant.. >>
Why don't you ...... Joey analyst ..... bring up Bernies numbers from the 4 years the Yankees won the World Series DESPITE having a "mediocre" center fielder and a 400 million dollar payroll ??????
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He owes it to the organization to hang it up. The yankees won't close the door on him, as what he's meant to that franchise. But he's just being selfish now.
Bernie is not the fielder he used to be but the guy can still hit. With 420 at bats last year good old Bernie battred .281 with 12 Home Runs and 61 RBI's. When Matsui and Sheffield went down Bernie and Melky helped to keep the heat on the Red Sox and were part of the 2006 Boston Massacre.
The Yankees would have won 4 world series rings with or without Bernie. With a 400 million dollar payroll, the expect to win the series each and every year. I can't figure out why people like to enshrine mediocre Yankee players as if they were heroic players of epic proportions that hurled an underdog to a pennant..
Yeah, 8 years of 100+ RBI's and 2 years of 80 RBI's or more is just down right mediocre. Get real, man!
Bernie Williams Lifetime Stats
"The answer was in the Patriots eyes. Gone were the swagger and c0ck sure smirks, replaced by downcast eyes and heads in hands. For his poise and leadership Eli Manning was named the game's MVP. The 2007 Giants were never perfect nor meant to be. They were fighters, scrappers....now they could be called something else, World Champions."
<< <i>Look, I can't imagine anyone in their right mind would say that bernie should be coming back. Minor league contract? For what? So he can take a roster spot away from a younger, more deserving player because of those '4 rings'?
He owes it to the organization to hang it up. The yankees won't close the door on him, as what he's meant to that franchise. But he's just being selfish now. >>
Would YOU please explain to me how Bernie Williams is being "SELFISH" ????
How. Really, I can't wait for this one.
Bernie has sat all winter WAITING and certainly NOT DEMANDING anything from the Yankees. So, the Yankees OFFER him a minor league contract with no guarantees of ANYTHING after spring training and he is SELFISH ??????
FOR WHAT
Please. ........ tell me FOR WHAT
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He knows full well they won't push him out the door - and he's taking full advantage of it.
<< <i>I met Bernie the night before the 2003 All Star game that was in Chicago. There was an event at the Field Museum and he played with his band and was walking around mingling after. Good guy. Actually shook hands and chatted for a few minutes and seemed interested in meeting people. >>
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<< <i>There's no place on a ballclub (especially the Yankees) for a 39 year old who isn't healthy enough to play full time, can't hit .250, is lucky to knock out 10 homers, lumbers on the bases, and has lost nearly all of his fielding ability.
Bernie is not the fielder he used to be but the guy can still hit. With 420 at bats last year good old Bernie battred .281 with 12 Home Runs and 61 RBI's. When Matsui and Sheffield went down Bernie and Melky helped to keep the heat on the Red Sox and were part of the 2006 Boston Massacre.
The Yankees would have won 4 world series rings with or without Bernie. With a 400 million dollar payroll, the expect to win the series each and every year. I can't figure out why people like to enshrine mediocre Yankee players as if they were heroic players of epic proportions that hurled an underdog to a pennant..
Yeah, 8 years of 100+ RBI's and 2 years of 80 RBI's or more is just down right mediocre. Get real, man!
Bernie Williams Lifetime Stats >>
He's only had 100 RBI's 5 times, not 8. And he played for the Yankees batting cleanup. ANYONE can drive in 100 runs in that situation. Look at that roster! I could drive in 100 runs batting 4th on the Yankees blindfolded. It is pretty much undebatable that Yankees stats are INFLATED not only because of the hitter's park, but because of the great talen that hits in front of and behind any given player. It's not hard to figure out that 100 RBI season for the Yankees is a 70 RBI season for any other team. The guy was mediocre, imo.
<< <i>Bernie stepped up in a critical role last year when their OFs started going down left and right. For a measly $1.5 million, he had many clutch hits and had a better OPS than the league average. Once again, people are popping off without having any facts to back it up. Instead they spew their opinion formulated by generalized impressions that were inclined to be negative to begin. He is not being selfish because it's not his decision as to whether he'll even earn a roster spot, let alone play. He has been made clear of that by the Yankees front office. But there's nothing wrong in wanting to try as he loves the game and the Yankees. >>
I will agree that wanting to play and trying out for the roster (which he's currently not on) is not being selfish. Let him play to his heart's content. I don't care. However, I do disagree strongly that he is better than the league average. Everyone on the Yankees is better than the league average=inflated numbers as I posted earlier. You have to do even better when you play for the Yankees because of this--guys with Bernie's talen who play for third world teams are never mentioned, because they just aren't that good.
<< <i>You aren't arguing that Bernie Williams single-handedly won the world series for the bloated Yankees are you? I can rattle off 40 or 50 Yankees players who are or were better than Williams, many of whom played with Bernie during those golden years. The Yankees are not the underdog--the Yankees have the payroll to win every single year, and it's almost a testament to their dedication to losing when they don't come up big. How hard is it to ensure a team with a dozen 10 million+ salaried players win a game? I could easily put Louis Gonzalez on a pedastal because of his game-winning slap for the D-backs in their first and only series title, but looking at his numbers, he's mediocre. Plain and simple. A fan favorite? Surely. But an overrated player. But why are we talking about the past? I'll give you all you claim about the 1996 Yankees. This is 2007. Where's Bernie? You admit he's old, sick, and has reduced playing time. Why are you trying to make a case for him to continue playing in any capacity? I don't understand. >>
Nah,
you are full of it. You keep talking about the Yankees payroll bla bla bla ....... you are using the payroll crutch like it is the only thing you know.
I AM NOT trying to make a case for him to continue playing. Will you PLEASE point to anything that I said that alludes to this? Can you freaking READ?
I am defending Bernie Williams career and legacy with the Yankees. Which YOU find it so easy to take pot shots at now that he is at the end. You SUCK at analyzing, you don't know CRAP about that Yankee team that won 4 times, and yes ............. PLEASE NAME all of these Yankees "so much better" then bernie during that run.
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basestealer, I don't know what team you currently root for but I can almost guarantee you that Bernie had better 2006 offensive stats (BA .281 with 12 Home Runs and 61 RBI's) then 50% of the players on that team.
I can rattle off 40 or 50 Yankees players who are or were better than Williams, many of whom played with Bernie during those golden years.
Go ahead and name them.
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I could drive in 100 runs batting 4th on the Yankees blindfolded. . >>
Please,
It is quite evident from your vast LACK of knowledge about this game that you can count on 1 hand the hits you had in TEE BALL.
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ALL OF THEM.
Okay, let's get more specific. Carlos Beltran, Jim Edmonds, Johnny Damon (another Yankee inflated mediocre poptart), Ken Griffey, Andruw Jones, Mark Kotsay, Juan Pierre, Vernon Wells.
But Bernie doesn't play center field anymore, does he? He's the elusive "4th" outfielder. Or is it 5th? He embarassed himself on the field numerous times with outfield collisions and goofs. His better days are gone. His bad days are even behind him. His terrible days are quickly fading. Who wants to see him stick around for the atrocious days?
First let me start by naming the center fielders, currently active, that Bernie can't hold a candle to:
ALL OF THEM.
Okay, let's get more specific. Carlos Beltran, Jim Edmonds, Johnny Damon (another Yankee inflated mediocre poptart), Ken Griffey, Andruw Jones, Mark Kotsay, Juan Pierre, Vernon Wells.
Boy, you are a piece of cake.
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<< <i> . His better days are gone. His bad days are even behind him. His terrible days are quickly fading. Who wants to see him stick around for the atrocious days? >>
Uhhhh, no $hit sherlock!
And no, Bernie did not embarrass himself with collisions and goofs. You have made that up. Don't be dumb, I watch EVERY Yankee game.
And for the majority of his career Bernie was at LEAST as good as if not BETTER a all around ball player then five of those guys you just mentioned.
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<< <i><<Boy, you are a piece of cake.>>
You're being way too kind.
I don't even understand what all these haters are so upset about. Just because the guy wants to TRY to make it on the team. Basestealer, aren't you the one that was popping off about how this was America and all your political BS. Bernie is doing NOTHING wrong by pursuing what makes him happy. If he fails then so be it. But WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM with him trying? You make it sound like he is God and can decide that he will just take a spot and play whenever he wants. >>
No sir. You failed miserably at reading what I wrote. You're confusing me with the other poster that said Bernie was taking advantage of the situation. I specifically said he wasn't, I specifically said it was Bernie's right to try out for the team and play to his heart's content. You're confused. Dangerously so. Everything I've spoken here is fact, but it's also my opinion. I've made no allusions to Bernie not having the right to play or try to play. It's my opinion that his current playing ability is on par with the lowest 5% in the league.
<< <i>I'd like to know what these bernie lovers think of Sammy Sosa signing a minor league contract with the Rangers - are they in favor of a guy just 'TRYING to make the team'? >>
They probably hate Sosa because Sosa's career numbers are double as impressive as Bernie's, and Sosa is just as over the hill. I have no problem with either of them trying to play. A smart team won't sign Bernie, and the Rangers had better make sure Sosa is ready to bring his a-game. At least they got him at a huge discount, the league minimum 500K.
<< <i>I like how the point about bernie being selfish and not retiring has been overlooked by some people here. Look, he knows he won't be asked to leave, and he's milking it for all it's worth. A real ballplayer would know that his days are done, that he's eating up a valuable spot, that he's keeping the team from moving forward. His days of being a real contributor are long long gone, and there is he, trying to eat up another roster spot. >>
This above post just HIGHLITES the very low level of poster. Not worth debating really. I mean, how many times does somebody have to tell the dimbulb that Bernie is not guaranteed anything. He is not taking anybodys roster spot and was invited to spring training really just in case there was an injury. Eat up a roster spot
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<< <i>All-time Yankee greats? Bernie isn't in the top 50. Ruth, Gehrig, Guidry, Mattingly, Rizzuto, Berra, Gossage, Munson, Jeter, Rivera, Mantle, and the list goes on and on. Where's Bernie? >>
All time greats? Did somebody say "ALL TIME GREATS" ???? Who ????
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<< <i><<I like how the point about bernie being selfish and not retiring has been overlooked by some people here. Look, he knows he won't be asked to leave, and he's milking it for all it's worth. A real ballplayer would know that his days are done, that he's eating up a valuable spot, that he's keeping the team from moving forward. His days of being a real contributor are long long gone, and there is he, trying to eat up another roster spot.>>
What the heck are you talking about??? He is not being promised a roster spot and he may very well and probably not get one. but once again, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH HIM TRYING???
<<All-time Yankee greats? Bernie isn't in the top 50. Ruth, Gehrig, Guidry, Mattingly, Rizzuto, Berra, Gossage, Munson, Jeter, Rivera, Mantle, and the list goes on and on. Where's Bernie?>>
If you actually believe this, you know NOTHING about Yankee history!!! >>
Sports fans are among the most unreasonable, irrational history revisionists in the world today. It's rather fun to confront them with truth and watch them turn beat red and rage!
<< <i>Then impress with your volumes of truth. List the TOP 50. >>
I already listed 11. You really want all 50? I bet even you couldn't rattle off 50 off the top of your head.
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If you actually believe this, you know NOTHING about Yankee history!!! >>
Sports fans are among the most unreasonable, irrational history revisionists in the world today. It's rather fun to confront them with truth and watch them turn beat red and rage! >>
yeah yeah yeah ..... so, where is that list of 40-50 Yankees of recent memory BETTER then Bernie Williams?
Also, I just love how fledging analyst wanna-bees try and re-write even recent history to fit their agenda ....
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<< <i>Yes, I would like to be blessed with your pearls of wisdom. List the TOP 50. Your the one that brought it up. >>
That would require some research and additional time that I'm not sure is worth putting into this thread. If I came up with the list, you would challenge it. In fact, one of your buddies just laughed at my list of 11, that included Ruth and Mantle... I assume because they believe Bernie is better than both combined! That's pretty outrageous. I'm not sure if you should be posting so late?
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<< <i>Then impress with your volumes of truth. List the TOP 50. >>
I already listed 11. You really want all 50? I bet even you couldn't rattle off 50 off the top of your head. >>
Man, is this ever easy .....
FIRST OF ALL .... you named NINE guys. NOT ELEVEN.
SECOND OF ALL ..... you said you could name 40-50 recent YANKEES better then Bernie. YANKEES.
Y-A-N-K-E-E-S
D-E-N-S-E
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I beg to differ. Last year Bernie passed many Yankee career milestones. Look who is #2 in doubles (ahead of Ruth, Mantle, DiMaggio, Munson, Jeter, and Mattingly) and #4 on hits (ahead of DiMaggio, Jeter, Munson, and 99% of any player who has ever donned the pinstripes).
Yankee All Time Career Doubles
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Yeah, Bernie is just on heck of a mediocre player.
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<< <i><<I already listed 11. You really want all 50? >>
11 is only 22% of 50. But you probably thought it was 90% or something. I could certainly rattle off way more than a guy who's too stupid to even include DiMaggio to begin with. >>
DiMaggio isn't in the top 50 either. That worthless loser shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as men with honor. Please. DiMaggio is one of the greatest signed bat peddlers in history though. And he makes the list of all-time 100 worst fathers in history. Beyond that, I'm not sure. Was he a good ballplayer?
Now it takes some research
basestealer, you are one HOLLOW EASTER BUNNY
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<< <i>All-time Yankee greats? Bernie isn't in the top 50. Ruth, Gehrig, Guidry, Mattingly, Rizzuto, Berra, Gossage, Munson, Jeter, Rivera, Mantle, and the list goes on and on. Where's Bernie?
I beg to differ. Last year Bernie passed many Yankee career milestones. Look who is #2 in doubles (ahead of Ruth, Mantle, DiMaggio, Munson, Jeter, and Mattingly) and #4 on hits (ahead of DiMaggio, Jeter, Munson, and 99% of any player who has ever donned the pinstripes).
Yankee All Time Career Doubles
Yankee All Time Career Hits
Yeah, Bernie is just on heck of a mediocre player. >>
Bernie played his entire career with the Yankees. Guys that do that are bound to pick up team records. You could break the D-backs team record in every offensive category if you played 20 seasons there and averaged 10 homers and doubles per. That's not saying much. But, I like your spirit so you win. Bernie is the best all-time. I'm going to buy some of his Score rookie cards, 100 for a dollar.
<< <i><<That would require some research and additional time that I'm not sure is worth putting into this thread. If I came up with the list, you would challenge it. In fact, one of your buddies just laughed at my list of 11, that included Ruth and Mantle... I assume because they believe Bernie is better than both combined! That's pretty outrageous. I'm not sure if you should be posting so late?>>
Research all you want and come back in a week. You WILL NOT be able to get 50 without kidding yourself let alone any 5 year old baseball fan. >>
I'm not 5 I'm <<<<<<<<<<<<THIS MANY>>>>>>>>>>>> see.
<< <i> I'm going to buy some of his Score rookie cards, 100 for a dollar. >>
Yep, thats great EINSTEIN. Compare true modern TRASH baseball cards with those of true VINTAGE.
basestealer, come back in 5 years when you have a clue please?
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
<< <i>You know, there was never a time that I was mad or angry about the things written. I just thought that you were lacking some serious knowledge. Now, I realize it is just a pathetic person trying to get a reaction out of people that he/she does not know and will never meet. I feel sorry for you but I'm just thankful enough I don't have to be you. >>
You did get angry, you know you did. You're a Yankees fan and nothing will do except total worshipping of the pinstripe. I can't say I ever felt the alpha male urge to defend a sports franchise, let alone take offense to someone pointing out the career stats of a mediocre player! But hey, maybe I wasn't raised right
<< <i>You know, there was never a time that I was mad or angry about the things written. I just thought that you were lacking some serious knowledge. Now, I realize it is just a pathetic person trying to get a reaction out of people that he/she does not know and will never meet. I feel sorry for you but I'm just thankful enough I don't have to be you. >>
yep
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
And it's apparent that the bernie man crush fan club cannot be reasoned with - goodnight.
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<< <i> I'm going to buy some of his Score rookie cards, 100 for a dollar. >>
Yep, thats great EINSTEIN. Compare true modern TRASH baseball cards with those of true VINTAGE.
basestealer, come back in 5 years when you have a clue please? >>
But Bernie's rookie card can't be found in "vintage", einstein. By the way, I don't like modern cards. I thought I was going to make you happy.