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seemyauctionseemyauction Posts: 3,655 ✭
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I'm wondering if I should apologize to the author of this PM

The message:
"I recognize that you have been around the board for some time, but it is possible that you are not aware of an unwritten rule that we don't promote coins on the US Coin Forum that are currently for sale or will be offered for sale in the near future. That's what the BST forum is for. I noted that you had shown another coin a few weeks ago that was also up for auction. It is considered bad form to list such coins anywhere but the Buy, Sell, Trade Forum. The US Coin Forum is for sharing of information, photos, or whatever along those lines -- not a place to conduct business, no matter how "harmless" it may seem.

Of course, if you wish to post coins you have available at auction, eliminating the link to your business sites that is part of your signature line would be acceptable. But having coins for auction and the links present in the US Coin Forum is considered spam -- google the term if you need to learn more about it."

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  • TACloughTAClough Posts: 1,598 ✭
    I'm suprisied he didn't have you go out to the wood shed with a "switch"!image
  • BarndogBarndog Posts: 20,525 ✭✭✭✭✭
    why don't you share the rest of the PM traffic with the members here so they can better evaluate your motives?
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  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,615 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Of course, if you wish to post coins you have available at auction, eliminating the link to your business sites that is part of your signature line would be acceptable. >>



    Not a problem IMO as long as you don't connect the two. Chances are that if you post a pic of a coin that you have up on eBay and don't mention it, most will never know. If a read a post I don't click on any of the linkies in the author's sig line.
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  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    I don't think it's to the level where a public apology is necessary, but I do agree that coins for sale/auction should not be posted in the US Coin Forum. If something about the coin merits a thread, wait until after the coin is sold.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • seemyauctionseemyauction Posts: 3,655 ✭
    I posted a photo of a coin and shared how I purchaced the coin. My signature line has a link to my website and the coin is listed in one of my auctions.

    I think the author views this as "Canned Meat" SPAM

    If the poll agrees with the author I will make a Sincere Public Apology.

    AL
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  • AthenaAthena Posts: 439 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't think it's to the level where a public apology is necessary, but I do agree that coins for sale/auction should not be posted in the US Coin Forum. If something about the coin merits a thread, wait until after the coin is sold. >>



    I mostly lurk here, but I agree with Kranky. Who really cares about an apology, when abiding by the rules would be the best thing. Post coins that are not or are not coming up for sale -- or coins that have already sold. Coins for sale now or for sale in the foreseeable future should be limited to placement in the US Coin Forum. Have a nice day.
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I posted a photo of a coin and shared how I purchaced the coin. My signature line has a link to my website and the coin is listed in one of my auctions.

    I think the author views this as "Canned Meat" SPAM >>



    I don't see a problem with this as you did not specifically state that it was currently for sale.

    Cheers,

    Bob
  • seemyauctionseemyauction Posts: 3,655 ✭
    I think its interesting that only those that vote no have left coments so far....


    Come on its only your opinion share it with us....image


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  • ttownttown Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭
    No, I don't see a problem with a link. In fact I've seen others that have been here longer with such links.
  • HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭
    it's bad form like showboating after a goal or spiking the ball after a touchdown.
    it's so commonplace around here, who cares ? just dont be aggregious about it, or you'll get .. uh.. flagged and suffer a.. yardage penalty?
    ok, my analogy sucks.
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  • DenverDaveDenverDave Posts: 2,164


    << <i>

    << <i>Of course, if you wish to post coins you have available at auction, eliminating the link to your business sites that is part of your signature line would be acceptable. >>



    Not a problem IMO as long as you don't connect the two. Chances are that if you post a pic of a coin that you have up on eBay and don't mention it, most will never know. If a read a post I don't click on any of the linkies in the author's sig line. >>



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  • MisterBungleMisterBungle Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭

    As long as there is no obvious connection with
    the coin you are talking about, and the sig line
    link, I don't really have a problem with it. I hardly
    ever click on a link in someones sig anyway.

    I agree that there is a fine line there, but the
    way I see it is like this. If you feel a tinge of
    conscience when you post it, you probably
    shouldn't.

    ...but then, I don't know what you would do
    about the people who have no conscience.

    ~


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  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Actually, how many of you have posted a picture of a new purchase wondering if smoeone will PM you with an offer for it at a decent profit? I've PM'd many forumites with regard to their newly purchased coins.

    Now, does the posting of the picture make you guilty of spamming because the thought of an offer on the coin crossed your mind? Let's face it, folks...every coin is for sale for a price...image

    Cheers,

    Bob
  • jayboxxjayboxx Posts: 1,613 ✭✭
    I don't see a problem with this as you did not specifically state that it was currently for sale.

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  • BRdudeBRdude Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭
    If some reguard it as a problem, maybe they should remove the links in their sig line?? Doesn't bother me one way or the otherimage Lots of folks will find a problem with what SOMEONE ELSE does, but it may be ok for themimage
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  • billboatbillboat Posts: 2,260
    I see nothing out of line with your actions. If you want to apologize, do so--it's really a private matter IMO--maybe that's why you received the comments via PM.
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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Does not bother me... not like a flagrant 'I am selling this coin - make me an offer' post.... The BST has a purpose... but, I have made PM offers on coins posted for show on this board.... and purchased them. Cheers, RickO
  • RodiusRodius Posts: 857 ✭
    I see lots of threads regarding members and their Ebay auctions. Most of them are asking for advise and IMO this is the perfect spot for us collectors to get the best advise. By providing the link you get a true opinion about our auctions. I have done it a couple of times and got great feedback about what I was doing right and corrective advise. I was not promoting my auctions, just trying to get better at presenting myself and my coins.

    Is that a crime, looking to improve myself.

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  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    No, well sortof.

    The PM is correct in my opinion.

    I don't think it is generally appropriate to post PMs like you did. I would have paraphrased it.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    PM him back and answer BITE ME™

    If you weren't posting the coin trying to sell it and only had a link in your siggy then he must be busy with the other 40% of the users who have links at the bottom of their posts.
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    Just for the record, anything that you see on my website www.1893columbianexpo.com is for sale. You might not like the price, but it's for sale. I'd include the so-called dollar site, but a lot of those aren't mine.
  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    send him a ham... it's ground hog's day image

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  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭
    I don't think that an apology is necessary but I do agree that one should not post coins on this board that are actively for sale, link or no link. Post it on the BST board instead.

    It just takes away that gray area if the above is followed IMO.

    Joe.
  • classiccoinclassiccoin Posts: 263
    there is no such thing as bad publicity.. eh seemy? just ask some of the dealers around here
    when judgement day comes..
  • VTCoinsVTCoins Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭


    << <i> PM him back and answer BITE ME™ >>



    I agree.
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  • VTCoinsVTCoins Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭
    This was addressed in a previous thread that I had started.

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    Link to my website www.vtcoins.com

    Link to my eBay auctions

    Buy, sell and trade all coins, US paper money, jewelry, diamonds and anything made of gold, silver or platinum.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Spill it, who sent the PM????
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • RedTigerRedTiger Posts: 5,608 ✭
    No apology, but yes, it can border on spam. If every dealer posts pictures of new inventory that is all this forum would be, and it would be a terrible place. In your case it sounds like there is some back story involved in the post that may be of numismatic interest.

    I do not like the posts that only say, "look at my new coin," and by the way, it is for sale on my website, go there now. That borders on SPAM. If it done once in a while like once a month, okay, but some folks do it almost every time they get a new coin and use the main board as their private billboard.

    The way the poll is worded, I don't think an apology is needed. However, I vote against the SPAMmers. Word it that way, and you'd have a different poll result (eg: Should dealers be allowed to SPAM this forum?).


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  • BlindedByEgoBlindedByEgo Posts: 10,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Public forum... It has rules, but only the mods can bam you. You may start a flamefest, or people won't like you (gasp), but it takes pretty outrageous activity (ala derek2100) to become well and truly hated.

    With a name like "seemyauction" it's a lillte hard to hide. I don't see an apology needed, but I would have paraphrased the PM.

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  • 19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭
    Just blow it off! PM's are just that, Private Messages intended only for the sender and the recipient.
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  • CladiatorCladiator Posts: 18,338 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Spamming the coin forum is lame. I see it all the time and it's mildly annoying. We do have a BST for just such a purpose. Posting private messages is even more lame. As for the sigline links to stuff you're selling I could have swore there was a rule specifically against that. Maybe I'm wrong because I sure as heck see alot of them.
  • AU58WALKERSAU58WALKERS Posts: 3,562 ✭
    ""I recognize that you have been around the board for some time, but it is possible that you are not aware of an unwritten rule that we don't promote coins on the US Coin Forum that are currently for sale or will be offered for sale in the near future. That's what the BST forum is for. I noted that you had shown another coin a few weeks ago that was also up for auction. It is considered bad form to list such coins anywhere but the Buy, Sell, Trade Forum. The US Coin Forum is for sharing of information, photos, or whatever along those lines -- not a place to conduct business, no matter how "harmless" it may seem.

    Of course, if you wish to post coins you have available at auction, eliminating the link to your business sites that is part of your signature line would be acceptable. But having coins for auction and the links present in the US Coin Forum is considered spam -- google the term if you need to learn more about it."


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  • VTCoinsVTCoins Posts: 1,361 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If every dealer posts pictures of new inventory that is all this forum would be, and it would be a terrible place. >>



    Not necessarily true. I'm a coin guy and I like to look at coins. I'd be willing to bet a majority of the people on this forum would rather see the coins.

    If there is not a sell message in the post, I see no reason people can not post pics of their new coins (triple negative in that sentence!).





    << <i>I do not like the posts that only say, "look at my new coin," and by the way, it is for sale on my website, go there now. That borders on SPAM. If it done once in a while like once a month, okay, but some folks do it almost every time they get a new coin and use the main board as their private billboard. >>



    I disagree here. These posts should never be allowed in this forum.



    Edited to change "there" to "their"
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    Link to my website www.vtcoins.com

    Link to my eBay auctions

    Buy, sell and trade all coins, US paper money, jewelry, diamonds and anything made of gold, silver or platinum.
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No apology necessary - just don't keep doing it. It's bad form for dealers to post your wares here.
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  • lavalava Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭
    If your motive was to share how you got the coin, then you seem to be in the right.

    If your motive was to showcase your coin, then you broke the rule.

    I think forum members prefer the not-so-subtle method of knowing a coin is for sale -- put it over on the bst forum and it will draw more attention, a win-win situation.
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  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,620 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think an apology is needed. For the record, Seemyauction didn't start the thread, his was the 33rd post in it. The very next post said if any of you are selling any of these coins, please PM me. I also don't have a problem with having a website link in a sigline. It is the choice of the reader to click on it or ignore it.

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  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    And in a related situation, what about all the dealers that come on here saying, "Look what walked into my shop today." Isn't that they same thing? They state they are a dealer, which means virtually anything that walks into the shop is for sale. They might not phrase it "Contact me to buy this incredible item" but posting new inventory could be considered spam.

    For the record, some of these stories are pretty cool. It shows what I've thought for a long time; many many coins are in the hands of private individuals that no one knows about. People tend to think that just because no one has seen coin X or token Y that they must not exist.
  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,789 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No apology necessary - just don't keep doing it. It's bad form for dealers to post your wares here. >>



    TDN said what I was getting ready to type........for dealers, most all coins are available for purchase...if it isn't, and it is for a personal collection, just show it and state that.
    Otherwise, I believe it is bad form for a dealer to post the coin in the USCF...that is akin to advertising and, once one does it, all do it, right?

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • RichieURichRichieURich Posts: 8,620 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>And in a related situation, what about all the dealers that come on here saying, "Look what walked into my shop today." Isn't that they same thing? They state they are a dealer, which means virtually anything that walks into the shop is for sale. They might not phrase it "Contact me to buy this incredible item" but posting new inventory could be considered spam.

    For the record, some of these stories are pretty cool. It shows what I've thought for a long time; many many coins are in the hands of private individuals that no one knows about. People tend to think that just because no one has seen coin X or token Y that they must not exist. >>



    I agree with Tmot99. I do want people to post these kinds of stories, they are interesting and add to the Forum.

    An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No apology necessary - just don't keep doing it. It's bad form for dealers to post your wares here. >>



    Agreed -- just refrain from posting coins you currently have for sale and move on.
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  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Agreed -- just refrain from posting coins you currently have for sale and move on. >>


    So in other words, If I post that I would like to see a nice MS-65 example of a particular coin that smoeone who has one for sale anywhere on the internet couldn't post the pic?

    THAT'S a crock of BS.

    There should be no problem here unless the individual states that the coin is for sale.
  • ScarsdaleCoinScarsdaleCoin Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭✭✭
    like the fugio coin says.... the original email should Mind your own business

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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Coming soon to the PCGS US Koolaid drinkers forum!!


    When posting pictures of coins, they should not be for sale, have every been for sale or ever will be for sale...

    Also, coins in slabs other than PCGS should not be posted, it is their forum you know.

    So then, All raw coins have to be sent to PCGS for grading before pictures can be posted (you must include the submission number for verifaction)

    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Coming soon to the PCGS US Koolaid drinkers forum!!


    When posting pictures of coins, they should not be for sale, have every been for sale or ever will be for sale...

    Also, coins in slabs other than PCGS should not be posted, it is their forum you know.

    So then, All raw coins have to be sent to PCGS for grading before pictures can be posted (you must include the submission number for verifaction) >>



    This is not the SPAM forum and should not be allowed to degenerate into such.
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    Here's a pic of the nasty stone crab I finally caught from my reef tank. These guys are really bad.


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  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here's a pic of the nasty stone crab I finally caught from my reef tank. These guys are really bad. >>


    Apparently, if it's for sale anywhere, it's spam.
  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Agreed -- just refrain from posting coins you currently have for sale and move on. >>


    So in other words, If I post that I would like to see a nice MS-65 example of a particular coin that smoeone who has one for sale anywhere on the internet couldn't post the pic?

    THAT'S a crock of BS.

    There should be no problem here unless the individual states that the coin is for sale. >>



    If a person has a coin for sale and posts it in this forum, it is spam. There were times when certain dealers kept posting coins, one after another, saying "look at this cool coin", when it was clear their intent was to promote the sale of the coins, whether the mentioned the coin was for sale or not.

    Now, if the coin is already sold, that is fine, post away.
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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,272 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Here's a pic of the nasty stone crab I finally caught from my reef tank. These guys are really bad. >>


    Apparently, if it's for sale anywhere, it's spam. >>



    No, only if the crab's owner posts it, then it is spam.

    For example, if you want to post a coin for sale from DLRC's inventory that is not spam.
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