No ....If we followed the rules to the letter we'd be pasting stars and balloons ..and blowin' kisses at each other..!!!What fun is that..?? No name calling ..and no melting each others coins...gimme a break.................
I don't openly spam, but if you look at every fifth letter in my posts, read backwards, then change every 7th letter to it's number equivalent, you will see my items for sales and their prices.
<< <i>This may open a can of worms that I'm not sure needs opening but I can not find any "Rules" on Spam for this forum......
Please if someone knows where they are post a link I'm very interested in reading them.
Thank you AL >>
Per the PM you posted, it is an "unwritten" rule. In other words, a common courtesy. However, I am sure it could become a written rule if enough sellers start spamming their wares here.
It is a rule that you can't advertise your coins on this forum- you can be banned for doing so. Starting a thread about a coin and having it for sale with a link to it in your sig line IS not allowed. I think that was made pretty clear by the big guy.
it's real easy to get around that- just show pictures of your coins and start threads after they sell instead of before. Contact some of the moderators and see how far they will let it go.
<< <i>It is a rule that you can't advertise your coins on this forum- you can be banned for doing so. Starting a thread about a coin and having it for sale with a link to it in your sig line IS not allowed. I think that was made pretty clear by the big guy. >>
If you weren't posting the coin trying to sell it and only had a link in your siggy then he must be busy with the other 40% of the users who have links at the bottom of their posts. >>
That says it all!
Funny, I thought all the problems of the world disappeared when the OF was eliminated.
<< <i>it's real easy to get around that- just show pictures of your coins and start threads after they sell instead of before. Contact some of the moderators and see how far they will let it go. >>
Just wait until they are sold, that solves everything.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>Hold on now I sell coins, every coin I own is for sale, does this mean I can not post a picture of any coins I own?
Or better yet I can not even talk (type) about any coins I own, because it would be spam.
Lets see that pretty well limits me to leaving useless coments.....
But it is not spam if I link to an ebay auction that it is not mine?
Ok....I get it....guess I should be leaving now.
AL >>
Pretty simple -- if you have a coin for sale and you post a picture of it here, it is spam. Whether the rule is written or unwritten, why is that so hard to comprehend?
<< <i>Hold on now I sell coins, every coin I own is for sale, does this mean I can not post a picture of any coins I own?
Or better yet I can not even talk (type) about any coins I own, because it would be spam.
Lets see that pretty well limits me to leaving useless coments.....
But it is not spam if I link to an ebay auction that it is not mine?
Ok....I get it....guess I should be leaving now.
AL >>
There is plenty of knowledge for a person such as yourself to share. Whether that person chooses to do so, or only sees the forum as a free place to advertise is up to the person. A knowledgeable dealer can certainly contribute to other threads and offer their experience to the many new collectors reading. Again, imagine if EVERY dealer with new inventory posted pics of their coin for sale. The forum would become swamp land.
Like others have said, a person can post pics after an item is sold. Or if there is something very interesting about the coin that folks can learn from such as a unusual variety, or altered surfaces, or whatever. That said, posting a pic of new inventory without any useful information, other than "l@@k at my cool new coin for sale" is spamming. There is a place for that and it is BST, one post per day per person, not the main coin forum.
As for someone else's coin, some folks continually post links to one or two dealers inventory. It is almost like they are employees or on commission or something. Again, once in a great while can be excused, consistently doing so is irritating.
Since this has migrated into a big harry monster, I think it is only fair that everyone has the opertunity to view the thread that started this whole hair splitting debate.
Here are the facts.
1. I made this post on Sunday January 28, 2007 9:06 PM.
2. On Monday the 29th I updated my web site, can't give you the link, it may be considered spam to some, and I did feature the coin on my site with the caption "Featured item for Feb 24th auction" and there is a picture of the Obverse.
3. The coin is NOT FOR SALE right now, it may be for sale on 2/24/07 but you can not buy it or even bid on it RIGHT NOW. The absentee bidding is not activated yet because the catalog is not finished.
4. My signature line does contain a link to "My All New Website" I have not changed it but I guess I'm gonna have to per "The Big Guy"
Is it spam? I guess if the rules are not written, and there is no definition of what is propper and what is not, then yes its spam because the unwritten rule maker, or anyone else for that matter, judges it not to their liking.
Which leads me to the Apology, I have PM'ed one to the "Author" and now I'll say it here in public.
I am sorry I offended you, I am not easily offended and sometimes forget how easy it is to offend others. Alan Stullenbarger
NOW YOU DID IT!!!!! you made all those guys think THEY ARE RIGHT, or YOU WERE WRONG! I personally think ya can't please all the people all the time and red horse or red dragon or whoever he is should have just minded his own beeswax and let the"FORUM MODERATOR " correct you if he deemed it necessary. SHEESH, this whole 3 or 4 pages to discuss something that isn't going to get a consensus anyway is in my opinion, SPAM edited to correct, "red tiger", not horse or dragon
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I believe spamming has everything to do with how something is worded. In this case, it's a link in the sigline. A link that says,"Currency and coins for sale! may not be as acceptable as another link that says,"Link to my website www.vtcoins.com" and "Ebay....items available!" or "My Ebay Auctions". I have, "Jefferson Nickels" in my sigline but it doesn't come right out and say that I have coins for sale. But I think for those who do sell coins on a regular bases, to keep them from posting idle messages so they can keep their siglines visible on page one and two of these forums, yes........the wording should be chosen carefully if you don't want to be accused of spam.
Leo
Although I have yet to sell a coin through my sigline, I'm now thinking about changing the title to, "my Jefferson Nickel Collection".
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
There are many people here who have links to their web pages and E-Bay auctions.
This post was made..
<< <i>Funny thing happened to me today I heard someone behind me and before I could turn around a woman asks me, "What do you think of my bust?"
I have to admit I was excited and scared to turn around.......but hey she had a pretty nice bust and I bought it....... >>
No where in the post does is say and you can buy it on my website or anything like that. So should it be considered SPAM!!
Example.. Russ posts a picture of the 1964 AH Kennedy in PR68DCAM he just makes at PCGS, and it also happens to be on E-Bay. Russ says nothing about it being on E-bay, but has a Click here to see my Auctions link in his siggy.
Is it spam? I think not, he isn't advertising the coin, he is showing it off.
As for the statement of...
<< <i>It is a rule that you can't advertise your coins on this forum- you can be banned for doing so. Starting a thread about a coin and having it for sale with a link to it in your sig line IS not allowed. I think that was made pretty clear by the big guy. >>
If it is considered a violation I'm sure the forum mods will let you know about it.
It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!
Here's my perspective from a non dealer ..non seller .Collector. If you are a dealer you should be limited to maybe 2 simple sig lines to click on to see your coins.There should be NO advertising.If anyone wants to sell a coin now and then there should be a link to the BST link in the sig line.... edit if the rules state otherwise ..oh.....!!!
No where in the post does is say and you can buy it on my website or anything like that. So should it be considered SPAM!!
Example.. Russ posts a picture of the 1964 AH Kennedy in PR68DCAM he just makes at PCGS, and it also happens to be on E-Bay. Russ says nothing about it being on E-bay, but has a Click here to see my Auctions link in his siggy.
Is it spam? I think not, he isn't advertising the coin, he is showing it off.
This happened to me several months ago. I started a thread about "the world's smallest coin show" that was held locally. I then posted images of some of the neat coins that I found, thus making the point that it is sometimes possible to find neat coins at any show. It was an educational/fun thread. Earlier that day I had placed some of the coins for sale on eBay. The whole reason that I started the thread was that I had already imaged the coins for eBay, so why not use them on the forum.
Now, keep in mind that these were cheap coins ($10 to $30 I think). I got a couple of pm's saying that I was spamming. It really never entered my mind though. One of the pm's was not very friendly. The guy told me that he would NEVER do business with me and he put me on his black list.
My point is that we should put more thought into determining who is a spammer or not. For example, consider how often a certain poster starts threads about his coins. Is that the only type of thread he/she ever posts? Are the posts educational in nature, or just bragging threads? You get the point.
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<< <i>My point is that we should put more thought into determining who is a spammer or not. For example, consider how often a certain poster starts threads about his coins. Is that the only type of thread he/she ever posts? Are the posts educational in nature, or just bragging threads? You get the point. >>
I agree- just use a little common sense when making posts about coins you have for sale- if your not sure you could remove your sig line links until the thread fades away.
<< <i>3. Post or transmit any unsolicited advertising, promotional materials, or any other forms of solicitation in the Forums (except in those Forums that are designated for buying and selling items, provided such advertising or other solicitation directly relates to such items). >>
So posting a pic of a coin and not putting any selling message is fine according to the rules.
But........... I think that there are some folks on these forums that should really mind their own business and let the forum moderators do their jobs. If one of these self appointed "forum police" wants to read a hidden agenda into a particular post then they should just keep their comments to themselves or report the thread to one of the moderators.
I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.
Please, dealers, use some consideration and common sense. There is a vocal minority that is really sick of the SPAM on the main coin forum. If you want to die on that hill, go ahead and prove your points, but it also proves something else about your personality.
A picture of a coin that is for sale without any interesting story or educational impact is SPAM. In the case of the original poster there was a short funny two line story, and the coin was not for sale and still isn't for sale. Personally, I would not consider that instance SPAM.
The forum moderators are overloaded and let a lot of things pass through the cracks. If the dealer(s) want to fight this, expect the nasty nitpickers to fight back, also expect that no one will win, and everyone will lose. Again, there is a place set aside for ads, free ads, use it and a person can almost entirely avoid the self-appointed forum cops. Make marginal posts on the main coin forum and maybe you will get to the top of the hill, or you might spend a lot of time just to get some free advertising and prove some pointless point. Or maybe it will turn into a bloody mess like this thread and some collectors will say to himself/herself, "I ain't doing business with that SPAMMER." Nice advertising there, to the some that consider SPAMMING to be like a big sign, "this dealer is jerk."
Think about it, use some common sense and consideration, instead of insisting that the forum rules permit it, and choosing to stand on this ground.
<< <i>Seems like the dealers are circling their wagons.
Please, dealers, use some consideration and common sense. There is a vocal minority that is really sick of the SPAM on the main coin forum. If you want to die on that hill, go ahead and prove your points, but it also proves something else about your personality.
A picture of a coin that is for sale without any interesting story or educational impact is SPAM. In the case of the original poster there was a short funny two line story, and the coin was not for sale and still isn't for sale. Personally, I would not consider that instance SPAM.
The forum moderators are overloaded and let a lot of things pass through the cracks. If the dealer(s) want to fight this, expect the nasty nitpickers to fight back, also expect that no one will win, and everyone will lose. Again, there is a place set aside for ads, free ads, use it and a person can almost entirely avoid the self-appointed forum cops. Make marginal posts on the main coin forum and maybe you will get to the top of the hill, or you might spend a lot of time just to get some free advertising and prove some pointless point. Or maybe it will turn into a bloody mess like this thread and some collectors will say to himself/herself, "I ain't doing business with that SPAMMER." Nice advertising there, to the some that consider SPAMMING to be like a big sign, "this dealer is jerk."
Think about it, use some common sense and consideration, instead of insisting that the forum rules permit it, and choosing to stand on this ground.
/edit minor typos >>
Well said Redtiger- one of the best posts I have read on this subject.
<< <i>Please, dealers, use some consideration and common sense. There is a vocal minority that is really sick of the SPAM on the main coin forum. If you want to die on that hill, go ahead and prove your points, but it also proves something else about your personality. >>
Yea, you got that you sick minded,,,,,dealers you
<< <i>A picture of a coin that is for sale without any interesting story or educational impact is SPAM. In the case of the original poster there was a short funny two line story, and the coin was not for sale and still isn't for sale. Personally, I would not consider that instance SPAM. >>
This from the guy who origionally accused the guy of spamming
<< <i>The forum moderators are overloaded and let a lot of things pass through the cracks. If the dealer(s) want to fight this, expect the nasty nitpickers to fight back, also expect that no one will win, and everyone will lose. Again, there is a place set aside for ads, free ads, use it and a person can almost entirely avoid the self-appointed forum cops. Make marginal posts on the main coin forum and maybe you will get to the top of the hill, or you might spend a lot of time just to get some free advertising and prove some pointless point. Or maybe it will turn into a bloody mess like this thread and some collectors will say to himself/herself, "I ain't doing business with that SPAMMER." Nice advertising there, to the some that consider SPAMMING to be like a big sign, "this dealer is jerk." >>
Or ELSE
Now what was said about self appointed forum police????
edited to add, I don't totally disagree with tiger here, just what is wrong with live nad let live??
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<< <i>Example.. Russ posts a picture of the 1964 AH Kennedy in PR68DCAM he just makes at PCGS, and it also happens to be on E-Bay. Russ says nothing about it being on E-bay, but has a Click here to see my Auctions link in his siggy. >>
Bad example since I don't post coins that are currently for sale, nor do I have a link to my eBay auctions in my sig line.
<< <i>Since this has migrated into a big harry monster, I think it is only fair that everyone has the opertunity to view the thread that started this whole hair splitting debate.
Here are the facts.
1. I made this post on Sunday January 28, 2007 9:06 PM.
2. On Monday the 29th I updated my web site, can't give you the link, it may be considered spam to some, and I did feature the coin on my site with the caption "Featured item for Feb 24th auction" and there is a picture of the Obverse.
3. The coin is NOT FOR SALE right now, it may be for sale on 2/24/07 but you can not buy it or even bid on it RIGHT NOW. The absentee bidding is not activated yet because the catalog is not finished.
4. My signature line does contain a link to "My All New Website" I have not changed it but I guess I'm gonna have to per "The Big Guy"
Is it spam? I guess if the rules are not written, and there is no definition of what is propper and what is not, then yes its spam because the unwritten rule maker, or anyone else for that matter, judges it not to their liking.
Which leads me to the Apology, I have PM'ed one to the "Author" and now I'll say it here in public.
I am sorry I offended you, I am not easily offended and sometimes forget how easy it is to offend others. Alan Stullenbarger >>
Holy crap, you are splitting hairs here. Since you obviously disagree with the "unwritten" rule then just ignore it and post what you want.
The unwritten rule evolved from a time when certain dealers in "monster toned" coins were posting a coin from their inventory every few days but would just say "look at this cool coin". Now to some, technically this is NOT SPAM since there was no mention that the coin was for sale. However, when these dealers would repeatedly post the coins, it was clear their agenda was to promote coins they had for sale, which irked the forum. They got flamed, and, for the most part, this activity ceased.
My opinion? If someone post a pic of a coin they happen have for sale once in a blue moon to start a numismatic discussion, no big deal.
Repeated posting of coins for sale is "marketing", and in this forum, is spam.
<< <i> This happened to me several months ago. I started a thread about "the world's smallest coin show" that was held locally. I then posted images of some of the neat coins that I found, thus making the point that it is sometimes possible to find neat coins at any show. It was an educational/fun thread. Earlier that day I had placed some of the coins for sale on eBay. The whole reason that I started the thread was that I had already imaged the coins for eBay, so why not use them on the forum.
Now, keep in mind that these were cheap coins ($10 to $30 I think). I got a couple of pm's saying that I was spamming. It really never entered my mind though. One of the pm's was not very friendly. The guy told me that he would NEVER do business with me and he put me on his black list.
My point is that we should put more thought into determining who is a spammer or not. For example, consider how often a certain poster starts threads about his coins. Is that the only type of thread he/she ever posts? Are the posts educational in nature, or just bragging threads? You get the point. >>
Numisma, If someone is going to be that pity I hope that you wear being on his black list as a “badge of honor”.
Who is kiddy who here anyhow? All this talk about spamming the U.S. Coin Forum board is just a bunch of horse dung. Just about every coin out there is for sale, if the price is right. Example, someone made a PCGS 1966 MS67 business strike Kennedy a while back and started a thread, I contacted the OP and bought the coin. When the OP started the thread, he had no idea that he was going to sell it. I suppose someone might say that he was spamming the boards, BS!
If someone has a coin that they want to talk about, whether it is for sale or not, they should be able to talk about it on this forum. Now if someone has twenty coins for sale and they just list the coins and the price, then that should be on the B/S/T board. But again the OP wants to talk about the merits of a coin whether it is for sale or not, isn’t this what the US Coin Forum is for?
We have never cared if people link their website or eBay auctions in their sig lines and I don't anticipate that changing, for one thing it would be too hard to police without the elimination of sig lines all together.
People on this forum should know where the lines are drawn. If you come on and post "Check out my items for sale" then this isn't the place. That being said there are many posts with people posting something about a coin they bought, had graded, etc. that could be construed, if one wished to, as a "for sale" posts.
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Please if someone knows where they are post a link I'm very interested in reading them.
Thank you
AL
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No name calling ..and no melting each others coins...gimme a break.................
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<< <i>Here's a pic of the nasty stone crab I finally caught from my reef tank. These guys are really bad.
So you selling that crab or what?
I keep my ignore button close at hand (Don't think I'm afraid to use it) so I won't have to make such considerations.
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<< <i>This may open a can of worms that I'm not sure needs opening but I can not find any "Rules" on Spam for this forum......
Please if someone knows where they are post a link I'm very interested in reading them.
Thank you
AL >>
Per the PM you posted, it is an "unwritten" rule. In other words, a common courtesy. However, I am sure it could become a written rule if enough sellers start spamming their wares here.
Or better yet I can not even talk (type) about any coins I own, because it would be spam.
Lets see that pretty well limits me to leaving useless coments.....
But it is not spam if I link to an ebay auction that it is not mine?
Ok....I get it....guess I should be leaving now.
AL
<< <i>It is a rule that you can't advertise your coins on this forum- you can be banned for doing so. Starting a thread about a coin and having it for sale with a link to it in your sig line IS not allowed. I think that was made pretty clear by the big guy. >>
Who is "The Big Guy?"
AL
<< <i>PM him back and answer BITE ME™
If you weren't posting the coin trying to sell it and only had a link in your siggy then he must be busy with the other 40% of the users who have links at the bottom of their posts. >>
That says it all!
Funny, I thought all the problems of the world disappeared when the OF was eliminated.
<< <i>it's real easy to get around that- just show pictures of your coins and start threads after they sell instead of before. Contact some of the moderators and see how far they will let it go. >>
Just wait until they are sold, that solves everything.
New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.
<< <i>Hold on now I sell coins, every coin I own is for sale, does this mean I can not post a picture of any coins I own?
Or better yet I can not even talk (type) about any coins I own, because it would be spam.
Lets see that pretty well limits me to leaving useless coments.....
But it is not spam if I link to an ebay auction that it is not mine?
Ok....I get it....guess I should be leaving now.
AL >>
Pretty simple -- if you have a coin for sale and you post a picture of it here, it is spam. Whether the rule is written or unwritten, why is that so hard to comprehend?
<< <i>Hold on now I sell coins, every coin I own is for sale, does this mean I can not post a picture of any coins I own?
Or better yet I can not even talk (type) about any coins I own, because it would be spam.
Lets see that pretty well limits me to leaving useless coments.....
But it is not spam if I link to an ebay auction that it is not mine?
Ok....I get it....guess I should be leaving now.
AL >>
There is plenty of knowledge for a person such as yourself to share. Whether that person chooses to do so, or only sees the forum as a free place to advertise is up to the person. A knowledgeable dealer can certainly contribute to other threads and offer their experience to the many new collectors reading. Again, imagine if EVERY dealer with new inventory posted pics of their coin for sale. The forum would become swamp land.
Like others have said, a person can post pics after an item is sold. Or if there is something very interesting about the coin that folks can learn from such as a unusual variety, or altered surfaces, or whatever. That said, posting a pic of new inventory without any useful information, other than "l@@k at my cool new coin for sale" is spamming. There is a place for that and it is BST, one post per day per person, not the main coin forum.
As for someone else's coin, some folks continually post links to one or two dealers inventory. It is almost like they are employees or on commission or something. Again, once in a great while can be excused, consistently doing so is irritating.
/edit minor typos
Here are the facts.
1. I made this post on Sunday January 28, 2007 9:06 PM.
2. On Monday the 29th I updated my web site, can't give you the link, it may be considered spam to some, and I did feature the coin on my site with the caption "Featured item for Feb 24th auction" and there is a picture of the Obverse.
3. The coin is NOT FOR SALE right now, it may be for sale on 2/24/07 but you can not buy it or even bid on it RIGHT NOW. The absentee bidding is not activated yet because the catalog is not finished.
4. My signature line does contain a link to "My All New Website" I have not changed it but I guess I'm gonna have to per "The Big Guy"
Is it spam? I guess if the rules are not written, and there is no definition of what is propper and what is not, then yes its spam because the unwritten rule maker, or anyone else for that matter, judges it not to their liking.
Which leads me to the Apology, I have PM'ed one to the "Author" and now I'll say it here in public.
I am sorry I offended you, I am not easily offended and sometimes forget how easy it is to offend others.
Alan Stullenbarger
edited to correct, "red tiger", not horse or dragon
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Join the NRA and protect YOUR right to keep and bear arms
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I have, "Jefferson Nickels" in my sigline but it doesn't come right out and say that I have coins for sale.
But I think for those who do sell coins on a regular bases, to keep them from posting idle messages so they can keep their siglines visible on page one and two of these forums, yes........the wording should be chosen carefully if you don't want to be accused of spam.
Leo
Although I have yet to sell a coin through my sigline, I'm now thinking about changing the title to,
"my Jefferson Nickel Collection".
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
This post was made..
<< <i>Funny thing happened to me today I heard someone behind me and before I could turn around a woman asks me, "What do you think of my bust?"
I have to admit I was excited and scared to turn around.......but hey she had a pretty nice bust and I bought it....... >>
No where in the post does is say and you can buy it on my website or anything like that. So should it be considered SPAM!!
Example.. Russ posts a picture of the 1964 AH Kennedy in PR68DCAM he just makes at PCGS, and it also happens to be on E-Bay. Russ says nothing about it being on E-bay, but has a Click here to see my Auctions link in his siggy.
Is it spam? I think not, he isn't advertising the coin, he is showing it off.
As for the statement of...
<< <i>It is a rule that you can't advertise your coins on this forum- you can be banned for doing so. Starting a thread about a coin and having it for sale with a link to it in your sig line IS not allowed. I think that was made pretty clear by the big guy. >>
If it is considered a violation I'm sure the forum mods will let you know about it.
And that is as it should be.
The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)
If you are a dealer you should be limited to maybe 2 simple sig lines to click on to see your coins.There should be NO advertising.If anyone wants to sell a coin now and then there should be a link to the BST link in the sig line....
edit if the rules state otherwise ..oh.....!!!
No where in the post does is say and you can buy it on my website or anything like that. So should it be considered SPAM!!
Example.. Russ posts a picture of the 1964 AH Kennedy in PR68DCAM he just makes at PCGS, and it also happens to be on E-Bay. Russ says nothing about it being on E-bay, but has a Click here to see my Auctions link in his siggy.
Is it spam? I think not, he isn't advertising the coin, he is showing it off.
This happened to me several months ago. I started a thread about "the world's smallest coin show" that was held locally. I then posted images of some of the neat coins that I found, thus making the point that it is sometimes possible to find neat coins at any show. It was an educational/fun thread. Earlier that day I had placed some of the coins for sale on eBay. The whole reason that I started the thread was that I had already imaged the coins for eBay, so why not use them on the forum.
Now, keep in mind that these were cheap coins ($10 to $30 I think). I got a couple of pm's saying that I was spamming. It really never entered my mind though. One of the pm's was not very friendly. The guy told me that he would NEVER do business with me and he put me on his black list.
My point is that we should put more thought into determining who is a spammer or not. For example, consider how often a certain poster starts threads about his coins. Is that the only type of thread he/she ever posts? Are the posts educational in nature, or just bragging threads? You get the point.
<< <i>"If it is considered a violation I'm sure the forum mods will let you know about it."
And that is as it should be. >>
NO, NO, NO!!!
It's the forum cop's sworn duty as the resident pissant to bring it to your attention!
Sheesh...haven't ANY of you learned by now that the self-appointed cops have the last word? That THEY are the ones to interpret the rules!
THE FORUM COPS IN THIS THREAD HAVE SPOKEN! There's nothing to see here anymore...move along, move along.
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<< <i>My point is that we should put more thought into determining who is a spammer or not. For example, consider how often a certain poster starts threads about his coins. Is that the only type of thread he/she ever posts? Are the posts educational in nature, or just bragging threads? You get the point. >>
I agree- just use a little common sense when making posts about coins you have for sale- if your not sure you could remove your sig line links until the thread fades away.
<< <i>3. Post or transmit any unsolicited advertising, promotional materials, or any other forms of solicitation in the Forums (except in those Forums that are designated for buying and selling items, provided such advertising or other solicitation directly relates to such items). >>
So posting a pic of a coin and not putting any selling message is fine according to the rules.
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But........... I think that there are some folks on these forums that should really mind their own business and let the forum moderators do their jobs. If one of these self appointed "forum police" wants to read a hidden agenda into a particular post then they should just keep their comments to themselves or report the thread to one of the moderators.
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Please, dealers, use some consideration and common sense. There is a vocal minority that is really sick of the SPAM on the main coin forum. If you want to die on that hill, go ahead and prove your points, but it also proves something else about your personality.
A picture of a coin that is for sale without any interesting story or educational impact is SPAM. In the case of the original poster there was a short funny two line story, and the coin was not for sale and still isn't for sale. Personally, I would not consider that instance SPAM.
The forum moderators are overloaded and let a lot of things pass through the cracks. If the dealer(s) want to fight this, expect the nasty nitpickers to fight back, also expect that no one will win, and everyone will lose. Again, there is a place set aside for ads, free ads, use it and a person can almost entirely avoid the self-appointed forum cops. Make marginal posts on the main coin forum and maybe you will get to the top of the hill, or you might spend a lot of time just to get some free advertising and prove some pointless point. Or maybe it will turn into a bloody mess like this thread and some collectors will say to himself/herself, "I ain't doing business with that SPAMMER." Nice advertising there, to the some that consider SPAMMING to be like a big sign, "this dealer is jerk."
Think about it, use some common sense and consideration, instead of insisting that the forum rules permit it, and choosing to stand on this ground.
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<< <i>Seems like the dealers are circling their wagons.
Please, dealers, use some consideration and common sense. There is a vocal minority that is really sick of the SPAM on the main coin forum. If you want to die on that hill, go ahead and prove your points, but it also proves something else about your personality.
A picture of a coin that is for sale without any interesting story or educational impact is SPAM. In the case of the original poster there was a short funny two line story, and the coin was not for sale and still isn't for sale. Personally, I would not consider that instance SPAM.
The forum moderators are overloaded and let a lot of things pass through the cracks. If the dealer(s) want to fight this, expect the nasty nitpickers to fight back, also expect that no one will win, and everyone will lose. Again, there is a place set aside for ads, free ads, use it and a person can almost entirely avoid the self-appointed forum cops. Make marginal posts on the main coin forum and maybe you will get to the top of the hill, or you might spend a lot of time just to get some free advertising and prove some pointless point. Or maybe it will turn into a bloody mess like this thread and some collectors will say to himself/herself, "I ain't doing business with that SPAMMER." Nice advertising there, to the some that consider SPAMMING to be like a big sign, "this dealer is jerk."
Think about it, use some common sense and consideration, instead of insisting that the forum rules permit it, and choosing to stand on this ground.
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Well said Redtiger- one of the best posts I have read on this subject.
<< <i>Please, dealers, use some consideration and common sense. There is a vocal minority that is really sick of the SPAM on the main coin forum. If you want to die on that hill, go ahead and prove your points, but it also proves something else about your personality. >>
Yea, you got that you sick minded,,,,,dealers you
<< <i>A picture of a coin that is for sale without any interesting story or educational impact is SPAM. In the case of the original poster there was a short funny two line story, and the coin was not for sale and still isn't for sale. Personally, I would not consider that instance SPAM. >>
This from the guy who origionally accused the guy of spamming
<< <i>The forum moderators are overloaded and let a lot of things pass through the cracks. If the dealer(s) want to fight this, expect the nasty nitpickers to fight back, also expect that no one will win, and everyone will lose. Again, there is a place set aside for ads, free ads, use it and a person can almost entirely avoid the self-appointed forum cops. Make marginal posts on the main coin forum and maybe you will get to the top of the hill, or you might spend a lot of time just to get some free advertising and prove some pointless point. Or maybe it will turn into a bloody mess like this thread and some collectors will say to himself/herself, "I ain't doing business with that SPAMMER." Nice advertising there, to the some that consider SPAMMING to be like a big sign, "this dealer is jerk." >>
Or ELSE
Now what was said about self appointed forum police????
edited to add, I don't totally disagree with tiger here, just what is wrong with live nad let live??
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<< <i>Example.. Russ posts a picture of the 1964 AH Kennedy in PR68DCAM he just makes at PCGS, and it also happens to be on E-Bay. Russ says nothing about it being on E-bay, but has a Click here to see my Auctions link in his siggy. >>
Bad example since I don't post coins that are currently for sale, nor do I have a link to my eBay auctions in my sig line.
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<< <i>Since this has migrated into a big harry monster, I think it is only fair that everyone has the opertunity to view the thread that started this whole hair splitting debate.
Here are the facts.
1. I made this post on Sunday January 28, 2007 9:06 PM.
2. On Monday the 29th I updated my web site, can't give you the link, it may be considered spam to some, and I did feature the coin on my site with the caption "Featured item for Feb 24th auction" and there is a picture of the Obverse.
3. The coin is NOT FOR SALE right now, it may be for sale on 2/24/07 but you can not buy it or even bid on it RIGHT NOW. The absentee bidding is not activated yet because the catalog is not finished.
4. My signature line does contain a link to "My All New Website" I have not changed it but I guess I'm gonna have to per "The Big Guy"
Is it spam? I guess if the rules are not written, and there is no definition of what is propper and what is not, then yes its spam because the unwritten rule maker, or anyone else for that matter, judges it not to their liking.
Which leads me to the Apology, I have PM'ed one to the "Author" and now I'll say it here in public.
I am sorry I offended you, I am not easily offended and sometimes forget how easy it is to offend others.
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Holy crap, you are splitting hairs here. Since you obviously disagree with the "unwritten" rule then just ignore it and post what you want.
The unwritten rule evolved from a time when certain dealers in "monster toned" coins were posting a coin from their inventory every few days but would just say "look at this cool coin". Now to some, technically this is NOT SPAM since there was no mention that the coin was for sale. However, when these dealers would repeatedly post the coins, it was clear their agenda was to promote coins they had for sale, which irked the forum. They got flamed, and, for the most part, this activity ceased.
My opinion? If someone post a pic of a coin they happen have for sale once in a blue moon to start a numismatic discussion, no big deal.
Repeated posting of coins for sale is "marketing", and in this forum, is spam.
<< <i> This happened to me several months ago. I started a thread about "the world's smallest coin show" that was held locally. I then posted images of some of the neat coins that I found, thus making the point that it is sometimes possible to find neat coins at any show. It was an educational/fun thread. Earlier that day I had placed some of the coins for sale on eBay. The whole reason that I started the thread was that I had already imaged the coins for eBay, so why not use them on the forum.
Now, keep in mind that these were cheap coins ($10 to $30 I think). I got a couple of pm's saying that I was spamming. It really never entered my mind though. One of the pm's was not very friendly. The guy told me that he would NEVER do business with me and he put me on his black list.
My point is that we should put more thought into determining who is a spammer or not. For example, consider how often a certain poster starts threads about his coins. Is that the only type of thread he/she ever posts? Are the posts educational in nature, or just bragging threads? You get the point. >>
Numisma, If someone is going to be that pity I hope that you wear being on his black list as a “badge of honor”.
Who is kiddy who here anyhow? All this talk about spamming the U.S. Coin Forum board is just a bunch of horse dung. Just about every coin out there is for sale, if the price is right. Example, someone made a PCGS 1966 MS67 business strike Kennedy a while back and started a thread, I contacted the OP and bought the coin. When the OP started the thread, he had no idea that he was going to sell it. I suppose someone might say that he was spamming the boards, BS!
If someone has a coin that they want to talk about, whether it is for sale or not, they should be able to talk about it on this forum. Now if someone has twenty coins for sale and they just list the coins and the price, then that should be on the B/S/T board. But again the OP wants to talk about the merits of a coin whether it is for sale or not, isn’t this what the US Coin Forum is for?
JMHO,
Tim
People on this forum should know where the lines are drawn. If you come on and post "Check out my items for sale" then this isn't the place.
That being said there are many posts with people posting something about a coin they bought, had graded, etc. that could be construed, if one wished to, as a "for sale" posts.
Carol