Looking for Jonny Gomes cards, especially Triple Threads and printing plates. Will consider all cards, though. Got something? Contact me at c_u_l_1@yahoo.com
Shocking. I really thought PSA would be running away with this by now. chaz >>
Although the majority here prefer PSA for grading its obvious from the results that the holders do need to be changed. The "internal movement" thing has always bothered me. The cards get sent to them in cardsavers (at their urging) as to limit damage during shipping. But, we receive them back bouncing around inside a holder? Doesnt make much sense.
Shocking. I really thought PSA would be running away with this by now. chaz >>
Although the majority here prefer PSA for grading its obvious from the results that the holders do need to be changed. The "internal movement" thing has always bothered me. The cards get sent to them in cardsavers (at their urging) as to limit damage during shipping. But, we receive them back bouncing around inside a holder? Doesnt make much sense. >>
Lawnmowerman did you vote? If not, who would you vote for? Excellent point about the card saver/ internal movement situation....didn't think about it like that. Thanks for the input. chaz
Shocking. I really thought PSA would be running away with this by now. chaz >>
Although the majority here prefer PSA for grading its obvious from the results that the holders do need to be changed. The "internal movement" thing has always bothered me. The cards get sent to them in cardsavers (at their urging) as to limit damage during shipping. But, we receive them back bouncing around inside a holder? Doesnt make much sense. >>
Matt I agree - tho I think in most cases the slight movement will not harm the card.
Didn't someone take a card with play and put it on a paint mixer with no damage to the card?
On the other hand, I would like to see them have more holder sizes to compensate for that slight tolerance.
But, not only does that take more inventory but also - the person doing the holdering could make a mistake and take the smaller tolerance holder and accidentally crush the card? Just a thought?
In the final word - I don't like the baggies! mike
Shocking. I really thought PSA would be running away with this by now. chaz >>
Although the majority here prefer PSA for grading its obvious from the results that the holders do need to be changed. The "internal movement" thing has always bothered me. The cards get sent to them in cardsavers (at their urging) as to limit damage during shipping. But, we receive them back bouncing around inside a holder? Doesnt make much sense. >>
Lawnmowerman did you vote? If not, who would you vote for? Excellent point about the card saver/ internal movement situation....didn't think about it like that. Thanks for the input. chaz >>
Yup, I already voted for the SGC slabs. IMO they look nicer.
Shocking. I really thought PSA would be running away with this by now. chaz >>
Although the majority here prefer PSA for grading its obvious from the results that the holders do need to be changed. The "internal movement" thing has always bothered me. The cards get sent to them in cardsavers (at their urging) as to limit damage during shipping. But, we receive them back bouncing around inside a holder? Doesnt make much sense. >>
Matt I agree - tho I think in most cases the slight movement will not harm the card.
Didn't someone take a card with play and put it on a paint mixer with no damage to the card?
On the other hand, I would like to see them have more holder sizes to compensate for that slight tolerance.
But, not only does that take more inventory but also - the person doing the holdering could make a mistake and take the smaller tolerance holder and accidentally crush the card? Just a thought?
In the final word - I don't like the baggies! mike >>
Mike, I am sure you are right. It would take some serious hammering to most likely damage the cards in the holders that allow the movement. Even though its a slim possibility of damaging them from normal handling, I just wish they would fix it just in case of an accident, such as dropping them or getting a mailman in a bad mood. My girls like to look at my cards but when they handle the PSA slabs I make sure they are super careful.
Matt I found the thread - it was Brucemo - a very sharp and talented contributor who used to post here:
There has been some debate about whether PSA cards are vulnerable to damage due to being shaken. There is a certain amount of play inside a PSA holder, and there has been contention about whether this play is enough that condition-sensitive cards will experience border chipping because they can rattle around in their slabs.
I decided to do an experiment in order to try to shed some light on this issue.
I took a PSA-9 1987 Donruss #43 Palmeiro and duct taped it to a gallon of paint, and had my local Home Depot store run it through their paint shaker.
I could detect no damage.
But, I still agree - I don't like excessive movement. mike
IMO, I prefer the SGC holder as I like the way it frames the card, I use them for PC items that I have no plans of getting rid of.
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While I think the Big 3 all put out nice products, I think the simplistic and slimmer design of the PSA holder is my favorite. In addition, the bulk of the cards I collect are black bordered, so they really don't look good w/a black gasket.
WRT holders, I do have a question for others - do high gloss cards get scuffed up in PSA holders? I'm talking about surface scratches on cards like Refractors. I realize there isn't much play in PSA holders, but I would think that the surfaces of the cards could get scuffed up over time. In this case, would a holder like BGS be better? Since most of the high gloss product is modern, perhaps that is yet another reason why people might go with them for newer cards? If anyone has any info on this please post - I would love to get a definitive answer, if possible
Take it easy, Jared
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While I think the Big 3 all put out nice products, I think the simplistic and slimmer design of the PSA holder is my favorite. In addition, the bulk of the cards I collect are black bordered, so they really don't look good w/a black gasket.
WRT holders, I do have a question for others - do high gloss cards get scuffed up in PSA holders? I'm talking about surface scratches on cards like Refractors. I realize there isn't much play in PSA holders, but I would think that the surfaces of the cards could get scuffed up over time. In this case, would a holder like BGS be better? Since most of the high gloss product is modern, perhaps that is yet another reason why people might go with them for newer cards? If anyone has any info on this please post - I would love to get a definitive answer, if possible
Take it easy, Jared >>
Thanks Jared for your vote. I will put you in for PSA. I think the BGS internal sleave could be a problem over time as the chemicals in the plastic sleave will "leach" into the card and turn it yellow......just my thoughts. I don't think that there would be any scuffing in the PSA slab because of the internal clearance and not enough vertical force exerting on the card. chaz
<< <i> Thanks Jared for your vote. I will put you in for PSA. I think the BGS internal sleave could be a problem over time as the chemicals in the plastic sleave will "leach" into the card and turn it yellow......just my thoughts. I don't think that there would be any scuffing in the PSA slab because of the internal clearance and not enough vertical force exerting on the card. chaz >>
The plastic sleeve in BGS slabs are made of Mylar, Mylar is also used extensively in museums as well as the National Archives. I also doubt any slabbed card getting surface marks/scuffs do to the same facts as you posted.
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<< <i> Thanks Jared for your vote. I will put you in for PSA. I think the BGS internal sleave could be a problem over time as the chemicals in the plastic sleave will "leach" into the card and turn it yellow......just my thoughts. I don't think that there would be any scuffing in the PSA slab because of the internal clearance and not enough vertical force exerting on the card. chaz >>
The plastic sleeve in BGS slabs are made of Mylar, Mylar is also used extensively in museums as well as the National Archives. I also doubt any slabbed card getting surface marks/scuffs do to the same facts as you posted. >>
But under pressure(vertical force of mylar pressed against card... does anyone know how much vertical force???) and time, I would think that this must have some effect on the card. chaz
I wouldnt say "shocking" since SGC offers a high quality service and treats their customers well. I'm just surprised that so many people here were willing to choose SGC and so few people here chose PSA.
Well now that I know that people from Canada are allowed to vote I like the GAI holder best. Even though they are the company that I probably use the least I like the fact that they have the card information on top of the holder.
<< <i>Well now that I know that people from Canada are allowed to vote I like the GAI holder best. Even though they are the company that I probably use the least I like the fact that they have the card information on top of the holder. >>
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PSA - 13 votes
BGS - 8 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 14 votes
#2 SGC
#3 BGS
#4 GAI
Looking for Jonny Gomes cards, especially Triple Threads and printing plates. Will consider all cards, though. Got something? Contact me at c_u_l_1@yahoo.com
Has anyone asked reps from PSA whether they review and consider improving/changing the holder?
My overall impression is that economics plays a big roll in how they approach new holders.
Overall I would chose the PSA holder #1.
But, I wish they modified it to flatter all the bordered cards.
Get rid of the baggies and have holders that accomodate more sizes.
And retool the holder so they are totally tamper "evident."
mike
<< <i>Simple question...
Has anyone asked reps from PSA whether they review and consider improving/changing the holder?
My overall impression is that economics plays a big roll in how they approach new holders.
Overall I would chose the PSA holder #1.
But, I wish they modified it to flatter all the bordered cards.
Get rid of the baggies and have holders that accomodate more sizes.
And retool the holder so they are totally tamper "evident."
mike >>
Don't really know. I will ask at the next show. Already put you in for PSA in the beginning Mike. Thanks for your input. chaz
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#2 SGC
#3 BGS
#4 GAI >>
Thanks and I will put you in for PSA. chaz
PSA - 14 votes
BGS - 8 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 14 votes
#2 SCG
#3 GAI
#4 BGS
This post has been around long enough I thought I should put in my 2 cents.
<< <i>#1 PSA
#2 SCG
#3 GAI
#4 BGS
This post has been around long enough I thought I should put in my 2 cents. >>
Thanks and appreciate the vote. I will put you in for PSA. chaz
PSA - 15 votes
BGS - 8 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 14 votes
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Shocking. I really thought PSA would be running away with this by now. chaz >>
Although the majority here prefer PSA for grading its obvious from the results that the holders do need to be changed. The "internal movement" thing has always bothered me. The cards get sent to them in cardsavers (at their urging) as to limit damage during shipping. But, we receive them back bouncing around inside a holder? Doesnt make much sense.
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Shocking. I really thought PSA would be running away with this by now. chaz >>
Although the majority here prefer PSA for grading its obvious from the results that the holders do need to be changed. The "internal movement" thing has always bothered me. The cards get sent to them in cardsavers (at their urging) as to limit damage during shipping. But, we receive them back bouncing around inside a holder? Doesnt make much sense. >>
Lawnmowerman did you vote? If not, who would you vote for? Excellent point about the card saver/ internal movement situation....didn't think about it like that. Thanks for the input. chaz
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Shocking. I really thought PSA would be running away with this by now. chaz >>
Although the majority here prefer PSA for grading its obvious from the results that the holders do need to be changed. The "internal movement" thing has always bothered me. The cards get sent to them in cardsavers (at their urging) as to limit damage during shipping. But, we receive them back bouncing around inside a holder? Doesnt make much sense. >>
Matt
I agree - tho I think in most cases the slight movement will not harm the card.
Didn't someone take a card with play and put it on a paint mixer with no damage to the card?
On the other hand, I would like to see them have more holder sizes to compensate for that slight tolerance.
But, not only does that take more inventory but also - the person doing the holdering could make a mistake and take the smaller tolerance holder and accidentally crush the card?
Just a thought?
In the final word - I don't like the baggies!
mike
BEST HOLDER SGC
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Shocking. I really thought PSA would be running away with this by now. chaz >>
Although the majority here prefer PSA for grading its obvious from the results that the holders do need to be changed. The "internal movement" thing has always bothered me. The cards get sent to them in cardsavers (at their urging) as to limit damage during shipping. But, we receive them back bouncing around inside a holder? Doesnt make much sense. >>
Lawnmowerman did you vote? If not, who would you vote for? Excellent point about the card saver/ internal movement situation....didn't think about it like that. Thanks for the input. chaz >>
Yup, I already voted for the SGC slabs. IMO they look nicer.
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
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Shocking. I really thought PSA would be running away with this by now. chaz >>
Although the majority here prefer PSA for grading its obvious from the results that the holders do need to be changed. The "internal movement" thing has always bothered me. The cards get sent to them in cardsavers (at their urging) as to limit damage during shipping. But, we receive them back bouncing around inside a holder? Doesnt make much sense. >>
Matt
I agree - tho I think in most cases the slight movement will not harm the card.
Didn't someone take a card with play and put it on a paint mixer with no damage to the card?
On the other hand, I would like to see them have more holder sizes to compensate for that slight tolerance.
But, not only does that take more inventory but also - the person doing the holdering could make a mistake and take the smaller tolerance holder and accidentally crush the card?
Just a thought?
In the final word - I don't like the baggies!
mike >>
Mike, I am sure you are right. It would take some serious hammering to most likely damage the cards in the holders that allow the movement. Even though its a slim possibility of damaging them from normal handling, I just wish they would fix it just in case of an accident, such as dropping them or getting a mailman in a bad mood. My girls like to look at my cards but when they handle the PSA slabs I make sure they are super careful.
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
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BEST HOLDER SGC >>
Thanks and I'll put you in for SGC. chaz
I found the thread - it was Brucemo - a very sharp and talented contributor who used to post here:
There has been some debate about whether PSA cards are vulnerable to damage due to being shaken. There is a certain amount of play inside a PSA holder, and there has been contention about whether this play is enough that condition-sensitive cards will experience border chipping because they can rattle around in their slabs.
I decided to do an experiment in order to try to shed some light on this issue.
I took a PSA-9 1987 Donruss #43 Palmeiro and duct taped it to a gallon of paint, and had my local Home Depot store run it through their paint shaker.
I could detect no damage.
But, I still agree - I don't like excessive movement.
mike
PSA - 15 votes
BGS - 8 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 15 votes
<< <i>Best grading company is PSA but third best holder. BGS is #1, followed by GAI. >>
Thanks. I will put you in for BGS. chaz
PSA - 15 votes
BGS - 9 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 15 votes
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PSA - 15 votes
BGS - 9 votes
GAI - 5 votes
SGC - 16 votes
Thanks to 70chip, RonBurgandy and Lothar as I put in your votes. chaz
While I think the Big 3 all put out nice products, I think the simplistic and slimmer design of the PSA holder is my favorite. In addition, the bulk of the cards I collect are black bordered, so they really don't look good w/a black gasket.
WRT holders, I do have a question for others - do high gloss cards get scuffed up in PSA holders? I'm talking about surface scratches on cards like Refractors. I realize there isn't much play in PSA holders, but I would think that the surfaces of the cards could get scuffed up over time. In this case, would a holder like BGS be better? Since most of the high gloss product is modern, perhaps that is yet another reason why people might go with them for newer cards? If anyone has any info on this please post - I would love to get a definitive answer, if possible
Take it easy,
Jared
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Hypnotized by you if I should linger,
Staring at the ring around your finger" - Sting
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While I think the Big 3 all put out nice products, I think the simplistic and slimmer design of the PSA holder is my favorite. In addition, the bulk of the cards I collect are black bordered, so they really don't look good w/a black gasket.
WRT holders, I do have a question for others - do high gloss cards get scuffed up in PSA holders? I'm talking about surface scratches on cards like Refractors. I realize there isn't much play in PSA holders, but I would think that the surfaces of the cards could get scuffed up over time. In this case, would a holder like BGS be better? Since most of the high gloss product is modern, perhaps that is yet another reason why people might go with them for newer cards? If anyone has any info on this please post - I would love to get a definitive answer, if possible
Take it easy,
Jared >>
Thanks Jared for your vote. I will put you in for PSA. I think the BGS internal sleave could be a problem over time as the chemicals in the plastic sleave will "leach" into the card and turn it yellow......just my thoughts. I don't think that there would be any scuffing in the PSA slab because of the internal clearance and not enough vertical force exerting on the card. chaz
PSA - 16 votes
BGS - 9 votes
GAI - 5 votes
SGC - 16 votes
<< <i>No rhyme or reason, I prefer SGC. >>
Thanks for your vote and I'll put you in for SGC. chaz
PSA - 16 votes
BGS - 9 votes
GAI - 5 votes
SGC - 17 votes
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Thanks Jared for your vote. I will put you in for PSA. I think the BGS internal sleave could be a problem over time as the chemicals in the plastic sleave will "leach" into the card and turn it yellow......just my thoughts. I don't think that there would be any scuffing in the PSA slab because of the internal clearance and not enough vertical force exerting on the card. chaz >>
The plastic sleeve in BGS slabs are made of Mylar, Mylar is also used extensively in museums as well as the National Archives. I also doubt any slabbed card getting surface marks/scuffs do to the same facts as you posted.
Mark Mulder rookies
Chipper Jones rookies
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Lawrence Taylor
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Thanks Jared for your vote. I will put you in for PSA. I think the BGS internal sleave could be a problem over time as the chemicals in the plastic sleave will "leach" into the card and turn it yellow......just my thoughts. I don't think that there would be any scuffing in the PSA slab because of the internal clearance and not enough vertical force exerting on the card. chaz >>
The plastic sleeve in BGS slabs are made of Mylar, Mylar is also used extensively in museums as well as the National Archives. I also doubt any slabbed card getting surface marks/scuffs do to the same facts as you posted. >>
But under pressure(vertical force of mylar pressed against card... does anyone know how much vertical force???) and time, I would think that this must have some effect on the card. chaz
<< <i>wow, really impressed by the support for SGC! >>
shocking. chaz
<< <i>I wouldnt say "shocking" since SGC offers a high quality service and treats their customers well. >>
We're not choosing our favourite company, just our favourite holder.
<< <i>We're not choosing our favourite company, just our favourite holder. >>
FavoUrite? Wait, we've got a Canadian voting here- I"m calling shenanigans
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<< <i>Well now that I know that people from Canada are allowed to vote I like the GAI holder best. Even though they are the company that I probably use the least I like the fact that they have the card information on top of the holder. >>
Thanks and I will put you in for GAI. Chaz
PSA - 16 votes
BGS - 9 votes
GAI - 6 votes
SGC - 17 votes
PSA - 16 votes
BGS - 10 votes
GAI - 7 votes
SGC - 17 votes
Thanks robertpr and zeke and I put you in for BGS and GAI respectively.