<< <i>half of chaz's post count is from this thread..
thanks for your views. Pandrews >>
Driving you nuts pandrews?.......... you loser. Go start your own thread and get out of here but I don't think your that smart. chaz >>
I will put you down for BearStat grading company. Thanks for your views. Pandrews. >>
A "no brain" response from a "no brain" loser. C'mon pandrews that is so weeeeeaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkk. I gave you just a little more credit than that. Give it up son, you're out of you're league. chaz
<< <i>A "no brain" response from a "no brain" loser. C'mon pandrews that is so weeeeeaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkk. I gave you just a little more credit than that. Give it up son, you're out of you're league. chaz >>
<< <i>A "no brain" response from a "no brain" loser. C'mon pandrews that is so weeeeeaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkk. I gave you just a little more credit than that. Give it up son, you're out of you're league. chaz >>
Thanks for your views. Pandrews. >>
Over 10,000 posts by you in just about the same amount of time that we both became members ?????? ..........you need to get a life man. chaz
I haven't read through all this but will go along with those who said each holder offers a little something and might be best for a certain segment of the hobby. I like the protection of the BGS holder - and would hands down use it if I collected high-grade modern cards that were prone to edge wear - but I do think PSA has the best holder profile. When PSA gets it right - and they often do - I think their holder is the best because it's the least voluminous and because the focus is on the card itself. Now if they could just figure out how to effectively use the mylar sleeve.
<< <i>I haven't read through all this but will go along with those who said each holder offers a little something and might be best for a certain segment of the hobby. I like the protection of the BGS holder - and would hands down use it if I collected high-grade modern cards that were prone to edge wear - but I do think PSA has the best holder profile. When PSA gets it right - and they often do - I think their holder is the best because it's the least voluminous and because the focus is on the card itself. Now if they could just figure out how to effectively use the mylar sleeve. >>
I will put you in for PSA. Agree with everything you said. Thanks for your input and appreciate your views. chaz
Wouldn't it have been easier to start the thread with the forum "poll" function? Anyway, put me down for PSA! This despite the fact that sometimes the cards move around a little too much, I still like them best.
Scott
Registry Sets: T-205 Gold PSA 4 & up 1967 Topps BB PSA 8 & up 1975 Topps BB PSA 9 & up 1959 Topps FB PSA 8 & up 1976 Topps FB PSA 9 & up 1981 Topps FB PSA 10 1976-77 Topps BK PSA 9 & up 1988-89 Fleer BK PSA 10 3,000 Hit Club RC PSA 5 & Up
Wouldn't it have been easier to start the thread with the forum "poll" function? Anyway, put me down for PSA! This despite the fact that sometimes the cards move around a little too much, I still like them best.
Scott >>
Hi Scott - I could have done it the other way but I like to thank everyone for putting in a vote and also to comment on their views. Thanks for your vote and I will put you in for PSA. chaz
Don't give a crap what they look like. I collect cards, not the plastic holders they're in. I'm into sports, not interior decorating ( not that there's anything wrong with that ). - 1 vote
Don't give a crap what they look like. I collect cards, not the plastic holders they're in. I'm into sports, not interior decorating ( not that there's anything wrong with that ). - 1 vote >>
i think its more important to look at the company's reputation instead of the actual holder....to choose a grading company based on its holder is not a good idea.....i laughed when i read th SCD comment...the minute a card is slabbed in a SCD holder, it loses value....PSA has gained a lot of momentum over BGS i believe due to too many scandals and "sub-bumps" to 10's....
<< <i>i think its more important to look at the company's reputation instead of the actual holder....to choose a grading company based on its holder is not a good idea.....i laughed when i read th SCD comment...the minute a card is slabbed in a SCD holder, it loses value....PSA has gained a lot of momentum over BGS i believe due to too many scandals and "sub-bumps" to 10's.... >>
I believe they go together, the holder and the reputation of the Company. Reputation is a given with these 4 Companies. chaz
i cant disagree more that reputation is a given with these 4 companies....your saying then that a gem mint in all 4 slabs will sell for the same? this is not true at all...GAI and SGC prices consistentally sell for less than their psa bgs counterparts....
psa 10 in some cases are now outselling BGS 9.5's......right now i have more trust in PSA then BGS, i have seen too many undeserving 10 BGS lately and it is turning me off...also i dont like the sub-bump policy of BGS were people resubmit cards over and over until they get the subbump (eventually to a bgs 10).....
If "holder" doesn't include the flip or the font/style of the flip, I'd go:
#1 BGS ---- By far. Flip shortfalls: bronze and white color flips are putrid. Sub-grades (BGS and older BVG) #2 SGC ---- Flip shortfalls: centering of flip sucks big time #3 SCD ---- Consistently good #4 GAI ---- Seen many gasket problems (nary a one gasket issue on the hundreds of SGC cards I own) #5 PSA ---- too flimsy. Quite frankly has a cheap feel to them. Pros: light and thin. Flips are pretty consistent, but they just seem cheaply made. The card can move around. Why?
<< <i>i cant disagree more that reputation is a given with these 4 companies....your saying then that a gem mint in all 4 slabs will sell for the same? this is not true at all...GAI and SGC prices consistentally sell for less than their psa bgs counterparts....
psa 10 in some cases are now outselling BGS 9.5's......right now i have more trust in PSA then BGS, i have seen too many undeserving 10 BGS lately and it is turning me off...also i dont like the sub-bump policy of BGS were people resubmit cards over and over until they get the subbump (eventually to a bgs 10)..... >>
No, I did not say that they all sell for the same. I am saying that all have good reputations and pretty much are recognized as the top grading companies. My poll started with the question as to who has the best holder ie. appearance, protection, appeal etc. Thanks for your input. chaz
<< <i>If "holder" doesn't include the flip or the font/style of the flip, I'd go:
#1 BGS ---- By far. Flip shortfalls: bronze and white color flips are putrid. Sub-grades (BGS and older BVG) #2 SGC ---- Flip shortfalls: centering of flip sucks big time #3 SCD ---- Consistently good #4 GAI ---- Seen many gasket problems (nary a one gasket issue on the hundreds of SGC cards I own) #5 PSA ---- too flimsy. Quite frankly has a cheap feel to them. Pros: light and thin. Flips are pretty consistent, but they just seem cheaply made. The card can move around. Why? >>
Thanks for your input. I'll put you in for BGS. chaz
My vote is for the BGS holders, although I do not submit cards to them or purchase cards in their holders because I do not like the company. But, their holder is far and away the most superior to all others.
GAI, SGC, PSA holders all flex to some degree, but those BGS holders are rock solid.
The PSA and SGC holders are easy to tamper with, GAI is much better in that department, but tampering with a BGS holder is out of the question.
The BGS holder is the only holder where the card has no movement. Cards in PSA, SGC and GAI holders all can move around minimally, even with the custom flips.
That being said, I use PSA religiously because I actually want my cards to retain their value and be immediately marketable once I decide to sell them whether that happens now or 40 years from now.
<< <i>My vote is for the BGS holders, although I do not submit cards to them or purchase cards in their holders because I do not like the company. But, their holder is far and away the most superior to all others.
GAI, SGC, PSA holders all flex to some degree, but those BGS holders are rock solid.
The PSA and SGC holders are easy to tamper with, GAI is much better in that department, but tampering with a BGS holder is out of the question.
The BGS holder is the only holder where the card has no movement. Cards in PSA, SGC and GAI holders all can move around minimally, even with the custom flips.
That being said, I use PSA religiously because I actually want my cards to retain their value and be immediately marketable once I decide to sell them whether that happens now or 40 years from now. >>
Excellent. Thanks very much for your views. I will put you in for BGS. chaz
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thanks for your views. Pandrews
PSA - 9 votes
BGS - 6 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 10 votes
<< <i>Update #14:
PSA - 9 votes
BGS - 6 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 10 votes >>
Thanks for the update. I'll put SGC in the lead. Pandrews.
<< <i>half of chaz's post count is from this thread..
thanks for your views. Pandrews >>
Driving you nuts pandrews?.......... you loser. Go start your own thread and get out of here but I don't think your that smart. chaz
<< <i>Put me in for a PSA vote. Although GAIs is similar. The SGC is too wide. Beckett too thick. >>
I will put you in for PSA. Agree with everything you said and Beckett is too thick. Thanks for your input and appreciate your views. chaz
PSA - 10 votes
BGS - 6 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 10 votes
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<< <i>half of chaz's post count is from this thread..
thanks for your views. Pandrews >>
Driving you nuts pandrews?.......... you loser. Go start your own thread and get out of here but I don't think your that smart. chaz >>
I will put you down for BearStat grading company. Thanks for your views. Pandrews.
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<< <i>half of chaz's post count is from this thread..
thanks for your views. Pandrews >>
Driving you nuts pandrews?.......... you loser. Go start your own thread and get out of here but I don't think your that smart. chaz >>
I will put you down for BearStat grading company. Thanks for your views. Pandrews. >>
A "no brain" response from a "no brain" loser. C'mon pandrews that is so weeeeeaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkk. I gave you just a little more credit than that. Give it up son, you're out of you're league.
<< <i>A "no brain" response from a "no brain" loser. C'mon pandrews that is so weeeeeaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkk. I gave you just a little more credit than that. Give it up son, you're out of you're league.
Thanks for your views. Pandrews.
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<< <i>A "no brain" response from a "no brain" loser. C'mon pandrews that is so weeeeeaaaaaaakkkkkkkkkk. I gave you just a little more credit than that. Give it up son, you're out of you're league.
Thanks for your views. Pandrews. >>
Over 10,000 posts by you in just about the same amount of time that we both became members ?????? ..........you need to get a life man. chaz
<< <i>Over 10,000 posts by you in just about the same amount of time that we both became members ?????? ..........you need to get a life man. chaz >>
Thanks for your views. Pandrews.
+1
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<< <i>Over 10,000 posts by you in just about the same amount of time that we both became members ?????? ..........you need to get a life man. chaz >>
Thanks for your views. Pandrews.
+1 >>
Very good pandrews....... I like the +1. LOL chaz
<< <i>I haven't read through all this but will go along with those who said each holder offers a little something and might be best for a certain segment of the hobby. I like the protection of the BGS holder - and would hands down use it if I collected high-grade modern cards that were prone to edge wear - but I do think PSA has the best holder profile. When PSA gets it right - and they often do - I think their holder is the best because it's the least voluminous and because the focus is on the card itself. Now if they could just figure out how to effectively use the mylar sleeve. >>
I will put you in for PSA. Agree with everything you said. Thanks for your input and appreciate your views. chaz
PSA - 11 votes
BGS - 6 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 10 votes
<< <i>ill go with sgc. the black background and clear labelling has great eye appeal. >>
Thanks. I will put you in for SGC. chaz
PSA - 11 votes
BGS - 6 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 11 votes
<< <i>Update #17:
PSA - 11 votes
BGS - 6 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 11 votes >>
Wouldn't it have been easier to start the thread with the forum "poll" function? Anyway, put me down for PSA!
This despite the fact that sometimes the cards move around a little too much, I still like them best.
Scott
T-205 Gold PSA 4 & up
1967 Topps BB PSA 8 & up
1975 Topps BB PSA 9 & up
1959 Topps FB PSA 8 & up
1976 Topps FB PSA 9 & up
1981 Topps FB PSA 10
1976-77 Topps BK PSA 9 & up
1988-89 Fleer BK PSA 10
3,000 Hit Club RC PSA 5 & Up
My Sets
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<< <i>Update #17:
PSA - 11 votes
BGS - 6 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 11 votes >>
Wouldn't it have been easier to start the thread with the forum "poll" function? Anyway, put me down for PSA!
This despite the fact that sometimes the cards move around a little too much, I still like them best.
Scott >>
Hi Scott - I could have done it the other way but I like to thank everyone for putting in a vote and also to comment on their views. Thanks for your vote and I will put you in for PSA. chaz
PSA - 12 votes
BGS - 6 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 11 votes
Now just get rid of the mylar and implement custom size holders!
your heroes for ghosts?
<< <i>I vote for PSA too, just because I prefer the simple and clean design.
Now just get rid of the mylar and implement custom size holders! >>
Thanks for your vote and views and I'll put you in for PSA. chaz
PSA - 13 votes
BGS - 6 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 11 votes
Update #20:
PSA - 13 votes
BGS - 6 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 11 votes
Don't give a crap what they look like.
I collect cards, not the plastic holders they're in.
I'm into sports, not interior decorating ( not that there's anything wrong with that
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
<< <i>Update #20:
PSA - 13 votes
BGS - 6 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 11 votes
Don't give a crap what they look like.
I collect cards, not the plastic holders they're in.
I'm into sports, not interior decorating ( not that there's anything wrong with that
Okay, thanks for the input. chaz
#1 SGC
#2 GAI
#3 PSA
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<< <i>My vote:
#1 SGC
#2 GAI
#3 PSA >>
Thanks. I'll put you in for SGC as you can only vote for one. chaz
PSA - 13 votes
BGS - 6 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 12 votes
Julen
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<< <i>wow, sure are alot of folks who prefer SGC. >>
Yeah, I'm shocked that it's this close. chaz
<< <i>i think its more important to look at the company's reputation instead of the actual holder....to choose a grading company based on its holder is not a good idea.....i laughed when i read th SCD comment...the minute a card is slabbed in a SCD holder, it loses value....PSA has gained a lot of momentum over BGS i believe due to too many scandals and "sub-bumps" to 10's.... >>
I believe they go together, the holder and the reputation of the Company. Reputation is a given with these 4 Companies. chaz
psa 10 in some cases are now outselling BGS 9.5's......right now i have more trust in PSA then BGS, i have seen too many undeserving 10 BGS lately and it is turning me off...also i dont like the sub-bump policy of BGS were people resubmit cards over and over until they get the subbump (eventually to a bgs 10).....
#1 BGS ---- By far. Flip shortfalls: bronze and white color flips are putrid. Sub-grades (BGS and older BVG)
#2 SGC ---- Flip shortfalls: centering of flip sucks big time
#3 SCD ---- Consistently good
#4 GAI ---- Seen many gasket problems (nary a one gasket issue on the hundreds of SGC cards I own)
#5 PSA ---- too flimsy. Quite frankly has a cheap feel to them. Pros: light and thin. Flips are pretty consistent, but they just seem cheaply made. The card can move around. Why?
Erik
<< <i>i cant disagree more that reputation is a given with these 4 companies....your saying then that a gem mint in all 4 slabs will sell for the same? this is not true at all...GAI and SGC prices consistentally sell for less than their psa bgs counterparts....
psa 10 in some cases are now outselling BGS 9.5's......right now i have more trust in PSA then BGS, i have seen too many undeserving 10 BGS lately and it is turning me off...also i dont like the sub-bump policy of BGS were people resubmit cards over and over until they get the subbump (eventually to a bgs 10)..... >>
No, I did not say that they all sell for the same. I am saying that all have good reputations and pretty much are recognized as the top grading companies. My poll started with the question as to who has the best holder ie. appearance, protection, appeal etc. Thanks for your input. chaz
<< <i>SGC >>
I'll put you in for SGC. Thanks. chaz
PSA - 13 votes
BGS - 7 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 13 votes
<< <i>If "holder" doesn't include the flip or the font/style of the flip, I'd go:
#1 BGS ---- By far. Flip shortfalls: bronze and white color flips are putrid. Sub-grades (BGS and older BVG)
#2 SGC ---- Flip shortfalls: centering of flip sucks big time
#3 SCD ---- Consistently good
#4 GAI ---- Seen many gasket problems (nary a one gasket issue on the hundreds of SGC cards I own)
#5 PSA ---- too flimsy. Quite frankly has a cheap feel to them. Pros: light and thin. Flips are pretty consistent, but they just seem cheaply made. The card can move around. Why? >>
Thanks for your input. I'll put you in for BGS. chaz
2 - PSA
3 - GAI
4 - BGS
<< <i>1 - SGC (just because of the black insert, when PSA starts offering a bunch of different colors SGC will be #2)
2 - PSA
3 - GAI
4 - BGS >>
Thanks and I will put you in for SGC. chaz
PSA - 13 votes
BGS - 7 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 14 votes
<< <i>uh oh, SGC takes the lead! >>
Shocking. I really thought PSA would be running away with this by now. chaz
GAI, SGC, PSA holders all flex to some degree, but those BGS holders are rock solid.
The PSA and SGC holders are easy to tamper with, GAI is much better in that department, but tampering with a BGS holder is out of the question.
The BGS holder is the only holder where the card has no movement. Cards in PSA, SGC and GAI holders all can move around minimally, even with the custom flips.
That being said, I use PSA religiously because I actually want my cards to retain their value and be immediately marketable once I decide to sell them whether that happens now or 40 years from now.
<< <i>My vote is for the BGS holders, although I do not submit cards to them or purchase cards in their holders because I do not like the company. But, their holder is far and away the most superior to all others.
GAI, SGC, PSA holders all flex to some degree, but those BGS holders are rock solid.
The PSA and SGC holders are easy to tamper with, GAI is much better in that department, but tampering with a BGS holder is out of the question.
The BGS holder is the only holder where the card has no movement. Cards in PSA, SGC and GAI holders all can move around minimally, even with the custom flips.
That being said, I use PSA religiously because I actually want my cards to retain their value and be immediately marketable once I decide to sell them whether that happens now or 40 years from now. >>
Excellent. Thanks very much for your views. I will put you in for BGS. chaz