I prefer the GAI holder. It's got a black matte, no card condom, and the info is on the top edge of the flip. Makes it easy to pick out a card from a stack. 2nd choice would be SGC's- black matte, no card condom. 3rd choice is PSA- no black matte, arbitrary card condom, cards flopping around in the holder, less info on the flip (T206 backs, etc) I don't consider any Beckett incarnation a viable option for what I collect. Obviously Pro, Gem, Nasa, CSA, etc fall into this same category.
However, there are a few notes on the above. All of them have poorly designed flips from a graphic standpoint. They should all hire a decent graphic designer (I'm sure Knuckles or Con40 would do it in trade. Both are incredibly talented) and redo it. PSA's T3 holder and coin holder are excellent, much better than their regular offering. GAI's one size fits all supersize holder just bites. Looks like the action figure packaging my son gets at Toys R Us. SGC does an incredible job with custom mattes, but they charge extra for it. Fine with me. I saw a stack of Scrapps Tobacco that were done so well it really made the cards stand out. SGC's and GAI's black matte doesn't work as well for black bordered cards, and they should consider slabbing '71 Topps and similar in something different.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
<< <i>I prefer the GAI holder. It's got a black matte, no card condom, and the info is on the top edge of the flip. Makes it easy to pick out a card from a stack. 2nd choice would be SGC's- black matte, no card condom. 3rd choice is PSA- no black matte, arbitrary card condom, cards flopping around in the holder, less info on the flip (T206 backs, etc) I don't consider any Beckett incarnation a viable option for what I collect. Obviously Pro, Gem, Nasa, CSA, etc fall into this same category.
However, there are a few notes on the above. All of them have poorly designed flips from a graphic standpoint. They should all hire a decent graphic designer (I'm sure Knuckles or Con40 would do it in trade. Both are incredibly talented) and redo it. PSA's T3 holder and coin holder are excellent, much better than their regular offering. GAI's one size fits all supersize holder just bites. Looks like the action figure packaging my son gets at Toys R Us. SGC does an incredible job with custom mattes, but they charge extra for it. Fine with me. I saw a stack of Scrapps Tobacco that were done so well it really made the cards stand out. SGC's and GAI's black matte doesn't work as well for black bordered cards, and they should consider slabbing '71 Topps and similar in something different. >>
<< <i>I saw a stack of Scrapps Tobacco that were done so well it really made the cards stand out. >>
Anthony
Is that a "die cut" card?
I remember seeing someone post a die cut set of cards that was just the heads of players - looked incredible - there's no way of comparing that with the potential baggy holder.
Mike- that is it. Here's the Artistic series, taken from Luxury Wines ebay store (thanks Jeff)
And here is the Scraps I was referring to- this one isn't graded (taken from oldcardboard.com), but the ones I saw in SGC's holders had very well cut mattes, must've taken a while for each one.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
I think it's extremely difficult to just pick one. Like someone said earlier, each holder has something that the other one lacks. I also think this thread is funny as hell since we can't just click one because someone didn't set it up that way. If I was to make a holder; it would incorporate a piece of SGC, BGS, and GAI. The holder itself would be SGC, the label would be BGS, and the black insert would be GAI because it's thicker than the SGC insert and viola! I'm hoping SGC will eventually change their flips/labels and go with a metallic look. I think it would give them an eye popping product. I've always like the metallic look (GAI/BGS).
<< <i>I think it's extremely difficult to just pick one. Like someone said earlier, each holder has something that the other one lacks. I also think this thread is funny as hell since we can't just click one because someone didn't set it up that way. If I was to make a holder; it would incorporate a piece of SGC, BGS, and GAI. The holder itself would be SGC, the label would be BGS, and the black insert would be GAI because it's thicker than the SGC insert and viola! I'm hoping SGC will eventually change their flips/labels and go with a metallic look. I think it would give them an eye popping product. I've always like the metallic look (GAI/BGS). >>
Why is this thread funny as hell?? ....... think a little bit. I could have done it the other way by just hitting a button but I decided to do it this way for the the following reasons:
1) Thank all the people who voted.
2) Get to see their views on why they what they like.
3) Get to see what they did not like.
4) Gives everyone a chance to see someone else's viewpoint on something they might not have realized about a particular holder.
<< <i>I think it's extremely difficult to just pick one. Like someone said earlier, each holder has something that the other one lacks. I also think this thread is funny as hell since we can't just click one because someone didn't set it up that way. If I was to make a holder; it would incorporate a piece of SGC, BGS, and GAI. The holder itself would be SGC, the label would be BGS, and the black insert would be GAI because it's thicker than the SGC insert and viola! I'm hoping SGC will eventually change their flips/labels and go with a metallic look. I think it would give them an eye popping product. I've always like the metallic look (GAI/BGS). >>
Why is this thread funny as hell?? ....... think a little bit. I could have done it the other way by just hitting a button but I decided to do it this way for the the following reasons:
1) Thank all the people who voted.
2) Get to see their views on why they what they like.
3) Get to see what they did not like.
4) Gives everyone a chance to see someone else's viewpoint on something they might not have realized about a particular holder.
Thanks for your input. Chaz >>
nerd.
you specifically replied to my post with a stupid ass comment saying "You have only one choice to be entered in the poll but thanks for your input. chaz "
<< <i>I think it's extremely difficult to just pick one. Like someone said earlier, each holder has something that the other one lacks. I also think this thread is funny as hell since we can't just click one because someone didn't set it up that way. If I was to make a holder; it would incorporate a piece of SGC, BGS, and GAI. The holder itself would be SGC, the label would be BGS, and the black insert would be GAI because it's thicker than the SGC insert and viola! I'm hoping SGC will eventually change their flips/labels and go with a metallic look. I think it would give them an eye popping product. I've always like the metallic look (GAI/BGS). >>
Why is this thread funny as hell?? ....... think a little bit. I could have done it the other way by just hitting a button but I decided to do it this way for the the following reasons:
1) Thank all the people who voted.
2) Get to see their views on why they what they like.
3) Get to see what they did not like.
4) Gives everyone a chance to see someone else's viewpoint on something they might not have realized about a particular holder.
Thanks for your input. Chaz >>
Chaz Good reasons for your decision.
Tell you what - sometimes people won't take the time to comment - if you put a survey first - you can always ask for input in the title thread also.
But, I understand your reasoning.
The end result from this discussion - as in others on the holder, is to have one that serves ALL situations best.
In the spirit of discussion - I would guess the reason no company can do it all is "cost" - the larger the inventory of holders with respect to different needs, the higher the cost.
My overall impression is that people want a holder that:
1. You can ID the card from the TOP also.
2. Capable of fitting ALL kinds of cards attractively.
3. Has borders that flatter ALL types of cards - lighter border for dark cards and darker border for light cards.
4. When needed, has a "custom gasket" to fit die cut cards, odd ball cards etc.
5. Has an attractive flip that DOESN'T distract the eye from the main event: the CARD.
6. Has optically accurate and clear plastic.
7. Is Tamper PROOF - when opened can NEVER be resealed.
<< <i>I think it's extremely difficult to just pick one. Like someone said earlier, each holder has something that the other one lacks. I also think this thread is funny as hell since we can't just click one because someone didn't set it up that way. If I was to make a holder; it would incorporate a piece of SGC, BGS, and GAI. The holder itself would be SGC, the label would be BGS, and the black insert would be GAI because it's thicker than the SGC insert and viola! I'm hoping SGC will eventually change their flips/labels and go with a metallic look. I think it would give them an eye popping product. I've always like the metallic look (GAI/BGS). >>
Why is this thread funny as hell?? ....... think a little bit. I could have done it the other way by just hitting a button but I decided to do it this way for the the following reasons:
1) Thank all the people who voted.
2) Get to see their views on why they what they like.
3) Get to see what they did not like.
4) Gives everyone a chance to see someone else's viewpoint on something they might not have realized about a particular holder.
Thanks for your input. Chaz >>
nerd.
you specifically replied to my post with a stupid ass comment saying "You have only one choice to be entered in the poll but thanks for your input. chaz " >>
ARE YOU BRAIN DEAD ?????? Yes, you do have only one choice to be entered in the poll and you can certainly have input . I did thank you for your input......comprende?????? chaz
<< <i>I think it's extremely difficult to just pick one. Like someone said earlier, each holder has something that the other one lacks. I also think this thread is funny as hell since we can't just click one because someone didn't set it up that way. If I was to make a holder; it would incorporate a piece of SGC, BGS, and GAI. The holder itself would be SGC, the label would be BGS, and the black insert would be GAI because it's thicker than the SGC insert and viola! I'm hoping SGC will eventually change their flips/labels and go with a metallic look. I think it would give them an eye popping product. I've always like the metallic look (GAI/BGS). >>
Why is this thread funny as hell?? ....... think a little bit. I could have done it the other way by just hitting a button but I decided to do it this way for the the following reasons:
1) Thank all the people who voted.
2) Get to see their views on why they what they like.
3) Get to see what they did not like.
4) Gives everyone a chance to see someone else's viewpoint on something they might not have realized about a particular holder.
Thanks for your input. Chaz >>
Chaz Good reasons for your decision.
Tell you what - sometimes people won't take the time to comment - if you put a survey first - you can always ask for input in the title thread also.
But, I understand your reasoning.
The end result from this discussion - as in others on the holder, is to have one that serves ALL situations best.
In the spirit of discussion - I would guess the reason no company can do it all is "cost" - the larger the inventory of holders with respect to different needs, the higher the cost.
My overall impression is that people want a holder that:
1. You can ID the card from the TOP also.
2. Capable of fitting ALL kinds of cards attractively.
3. Has borders that flatter ALL types of cards - lighter border for dark cards and darker border for light cards.
4. When needed, has a "custom gasket" to fit die cut cards, odd ball cards etc.
5. Has an attractive flip that DOESN'T distract the eye from the main event: the CARD.
6. Has optically accurate and clear plastic.
7. Is Tamper PROOF - when opened can NEVER be resealed.
Anything we can add? mike >>
Thanks Mike, really like all of your viewpoints.
I'd like to add that the thickness of the holder is really important and I think PSA does this the best. Also, the curvature of the holder is important too and again, I feel that PSA does this the best again and I must say that the rounded edge of the PSA holder is also the best. I really like the top ID provided by GAI as well but I think their holders are too thick and the bottom edge is too sharp and I don't like the gray look. chaz
You may laugh but I think the SCD slab is the best in the business. I like the machine cut black insert and the silver label on all cards. I hate GAI's non arrow head corners and the fact they are deeper then the avg. card so it allows the card to bow. I hate SGC's flip if it was up to me they would have the old SBC flip and never had changed. I hate PSA's condom but other than that I would put them 2nd behind SCD. I hate BGS holders with the colored flip (we are too dumb to figure it out on our own?) and not a big fan of the plastic sleeve. In hand they look OK but scanning and uploading to EBAY or your set just doesn't look right?Same can be said for SGC and GAI. Just for argumants sake I wonder how long it takes SGC to make one of those inserts for the scraps cards? I would imagine that is a revenue eater and not producer? Could you imagine if PSA and all the cards they receive daily did that ? You wouldn't see your cards for a year. So Chaz I guess its PSA for me but that could change without further notice. If you do decide to add SCD to the list chalk up one vote.
<< <i>You may laugh but I think the SCD slab is the best in the business. I like the machine cut black insert and the silver label on all cards. I hate GAI's non arrow head corners and the fact they are deeper then the avg. card so it allows the card to bow. I hate SGC's flip if it was up to me they would have the old SBC flip and never had changed. I hate PSA's condom but other than that I would put them 2nd behind SCD. I hate BGS holders with the colored flip (we are too dumb to figure it out on our own?) and not a big fan of the plastic sleeve. In hand they look OK but scanning and uploading to EBAY or your set just doesn't look right?Same can be said for SGC and GAI. Just for argumants sake I wonder how long it takes SGC to make one of those inserts for the scraps cards? I would imagine that is a revenue eater and not producer? Could you imagine if PSA and all the cards they receive daily did that ? You wouldn't see your cards for a year. So Chaz I guess its PSA for me but that could change without further notice. If you do decide to add SCD to the list chalk up one vote. >>
I will add you to PSA. Thanks for your input , really appreciate it. Chaz
<< <i>Just for argumants sake I wonder how long it takes SGC to make one of those inserts for the scraps cards? I would imagine that is a revenue eater and not producer? Could you imagine if PSA and all the cards they receive daily did that ? >>
John
In many businesses, they have a CAD/CAM diamond cutter and laser cutter - you scan and it does the job - it can cut an analog or can cut something to fill a void you scan.
There is a Laser CAD/CAM cutter - I'm willing to bet they have it for paper - which means that's all one has to do is:
1. Scan the item.
2. Press "cut" - and it will cut a hole in the gasket with a small amount of added tolerance to fit the card in.
This is just a guess.
Even if the machine is 100K, with the usage it gets - very cost effective.
I buy almost exclusively PSA slabs, but I really do not like how the cards can move around in the holders. Protecting the card should be a top priority in designing a slab IMHO. For this reason, I'll vote for the BGS/BVG holder.
Mike Thats pretty cool. I have a few disc's in SGC slabs that look way better than the condom. I would be curious to find out if thats truth. I always envisioned a college kid in a factory enviroment cutting inserts with an exacto knife. I personally like a little room on the sides and top of the card and unless your playing frisbee with the slabs its kind of hard to see any card getting damaged? I have been wrong before though.
<< <i>Mike Thats pretty cool. I have a few disc's in SGC slabs that look way better than the condom. I would be curious to find out if thats truth. I always envisioned a college kid in a factory enviroment cutting inserts with an exacto knife. I personally like a little room on the sides and top of the card and unless your playing frisbee with the slabs its kind of hard to see any card getting damaged? I have been wrong before though. >>
John
I just pm'ed a mutual friend of ours to see what he can find out about how the gaskets are cut.
If they don't have some kind of laser technology - I will be very suprised in this day.
<< <i>I buy almost exclusively PSA slabs, but I really do not like how the cards can move around in the holders. Protecting the card should be a top priority in designing a slab IMHO. For this reason, I'll vote for the BGS/BVG holder. >>
SGC- Presents the cards well, but card/gasket color is an issue. Plus, having a card under the gasket is a pita. and makes you wonder about condition.
BGS- holder detracts from the card and is just too thick & heavy. I want to display my cards quality not Beckett's name.
For those reasons I'll have to go with PSA(Rattle card gets me but I dont throw them around, too often and their simpler design which imo displays the card itself better than the rest.
PSA gets another vote for the best holder.
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<< <i>SGC- Presents the cards well, but card/gasket color is an issue. Plus, having a card under the gasket is a pita. and makes you wonder about condition.
BGS- holder detracts from the card and is just too thick & heavy. I want to display my cards quality not Beckett's name.
For those reasons I'll have to go with PSA(Rattle card gets me but I dont throw them around, too often and their simpler design which imo displays the card itself better than the rest.
PSA gets another vote for the best holder. >>
Thanks. I'll add another one for PSA and appreciate your views. chaz
SGC My reasons are : PSA- I like the look of the slab but the movement thing kills it for me BGS- Again I like the look but the sleeve they use has to go. I have two cards that developed some sort of skin rash. It almost looks like the sleeve being pressed against the cards for so long somehow ate into them.
The reason I vote for SGC is because the slab has a nice clean, smooth feel to it. Plus the insert really goes well with alot of cards.
<< <i>SGC My reasons are : PSA- I like the look of the slab but the movement thing kills it for me BGS- Again I like the look but the sleeve they use has to go. I have two cards that developed some sort of skin rash. It almost looks like the sleeve being pressed against the cards for so long somehow ate into them.
The reason I vote for SGC is because the slab has a nice clean, smooth feel to it. Plus the insert really goes well with alot of cards. >>
Thanks and I'll add SGC to the list. Appreciate info on BGS. chaz
<< <i>If you hold 2 of the the same card next to each other, 1 in a bgs holder, the other in a PSA holder, you can see a clear difference..the PSA plastic is much clearer and crisper and actually brightens up the card, the BGS holder somehow dulls the finish of the card (too thick maybe) >>
The reason for the "dullness" in the BGS slab in comparrison to the PSA slab is the "baggy" BGS uses. Protection, yes. Looks, no.
Well, to be exact, BGS does not actually use a "bag". It's a Mylar sleeve that's crimped during the slabbing process. Despite the slight dullness it brings, it's still far and away better than the "condoms" that PSA uses. The stiffness of the Mylar doesn't wrinkle either unlike the PSA condoms. Also, because the Mylar is crimped to the size of the card, this works great for eliminating movement.
Too bad the holder is the ONLY thing I like about BGS these days.
I collect T206's and the SGC slab is the best to show off this cards On the other hand I collect 1963 Fleer football and PSA is by far the most attractive holder for these cards. GAI has a great idea with the card name on top of the holder. I have T206's with all 3 companies. I'll have to cast my vote with SGC.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
<< <i>I collect T206's and the SGC slab is the best to show off this cards On the other hand I collect 1963 Fleer football and PSA is by far the most attractive holder for these cards. GAI has a great idea with the card name on top of the holder. I have T206's with all 3 companies. I'll have to cast my vote with SGC. >>
Thanks very much and your views are appreciated. I will put you in for SGC. chaz
BTW, I believe the first grading company to use the top flap to identify was AGS. I may be wrong but these definetly had them pre-GAI.
Collecting; Mark Mulder rookies Chipper Jones rookies Orlando Cabrera rookies Lawrence Taylor Sam Huff Lavar Arrington NY Giants NY Yankees NJ Nets NJ Devils 1950s-1960s Topps NY Giants Team cards
I have to say the BGS/BVG gets my vote. I only buy/collect the BGS and PSA slabs. I've never been a big fan of any of the other grading companies for misc. reasons. The BGS slab IS thicker, and I'll agree it would be nice to see them thin down a little... I'd also like to see the grades return to the backside of the label.
I submit more cards to PSA than I do Beckett... that might be because PSA is much cheaper, but sell just as well (if not better) than the BGS.
When I started collecting the graded stuff, I was exclusive to BGS... it's was only about a couple years ago that I started in on PSA's. I'm slowly starting to turn, but for now I'd have to say the BGS slab' are "the best holder."
I'm also surprised a little that PSA is not killing the rest on this poll here.... after all, this IS the PSA Boards!
<< <i>I have to say the BGS/BVG gets my vote. I only buy/collect the BGS and PSA slabs. I've never been a big fan of any of the other grading companies for misc. reasons. The BGS slab IS thicker, and I'll agree it would be nice to see them thin down a little... I'd also like to see the grades return to the backside of the label.
I submit more cards to PSA than I do Beckett... that might be because PSA is much cheaper, but sell just as well (if not better) than the BGS.
When I started collecting the graded stuff, I was exclusive to BGS... it's was only about a couple years ago that I started in on PSA's. I'm slowly starting to turn, but for now I'd have to say the BGS slab' are "the best holder."
I'm also surprised a little that PSA is not killing the rest on this poll here.... after all, this IS the PSA Boards! >>
I will put you in for BGS. I am suprised too, I thought PSA would be running away with this. Thanks for your input and appreciate your views. chaz
Comments
2nd choice would be SGC's- black matte, no card condom.
3rd choice is PSA- no black matte, arbitrary card condom, cards flopping around in the holder, less info on the flip (T206 backs, etc)
I don't consider any Beckett incarnation a viable option for what I collect. Obviously Pro, Gem, Nasa, CSA, etc fall into this same category.
However, there are a few notes on the above. All of them have poorly designed flips from a graphic standpoint. They should all hire a decent graphic designer (I'm sure Knuckles or Con40 would do it in trade. Both are incredibly talented) and redo it.
PSA's T3 holder and coin holder are excellent, much better than their regular offering.
GAI's one size fits all supersize holder just bites. Looks like the action figure packaging my son gets at Toys R Us.
SGC does an incredible job with custom mattes, but they charge extra for it. Fine with me. I saw a stack of Scrapps Tobacco that were done so well it really made the cards stand out.
SGC's and GAI's black matte doesn't work as well for black bordered cards, and they should consider slabbing '71 Topps and similar in something different.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
<< <i>I prefer the GAI holder. It's got a black matte, no card condom, and the info is on the top edge of the flip. Makes it easy to pick out a card from a stack.
2nd choice would be SGC's- black matte, no card condom.
3rd choice is PSA- no black matte, arbitrary card condom, cards flopping around in the holder, less info on the flip (T206 backs, etc)
I don't consider any Beckett incarnation a viable option for what I collect. Obviously Pro, Gem, Nasa, CSA, etc fall into this same category.
However, there are a few notes on the above. All of them have poorly designed flips from a graphic standpoint. They should all hire a decent graphic designer (I'm sure Knuckles or Con40 would do it in trade. Both are incredibly talented) and redo it.
PSA's T3 holder and coin holder are excellent, much better than their regular offering.
GAI's one size fits all supersize holder just bites. Looks like the action figure packaging my son gets at Toys R Us.
SGC does an incredible job with custom mattes, but they charge extra for it. Fine with me. I saw a stack of Scrapps Tobacco that were done so well it really made the cards stand out.
SGC's and GAI's black matte doesn't work as well for black bordered cards, and they should consider slabbing '71 Topps and similar in something different. >>
Thanks for the info and your views. chaz
<< <i>I saw a stack of Scrapps Tobacco that were done so well it really made the cards stand out. >>
Anthony
Is that a "die cut" card?
I remember seeing someone post a die cut set of cards that was just the heads of players - looked incredible - there's no way of comparing that with the potential baggy holder.
mike
that is it. Here's the Artistic series, taken from Luxury Wines ebay store (thanks Jeff)
And here is the Scraps I was referring to- this one isn't graded (taken from oldcardboard.com), but the ones I saw in SGC's holders had very well cut mattes, must've taken a while for each one.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
<< <i>I think it's extremely difficult to just pick one. Like someone said earlier, each holder has something that the other one lacks. I also think this thread is funny as hell since we can't just click one because someone didn't set it up that way. If I was to make a holder; it would incorporate a piece of SGC, BGS, and GAI. The holder itself would be SGC, the label would be BGS, and the black insert would be GAI because it's thicker than the SGC insert and viola! I'm hoping SGC will eventually change their flips/labels and go with a metallic look. I think it would give them an eye popping product. I've always like the metallic look (GAI/BGS). >>
Why is this thread funny as hell?? ....... think a little bit. I could have done it the other way by just hitting a button but I decided to do it this way for the the following reasons:
1) Thank all the people who voted.
2) Get to see their views on why they what they like.
3) Get to see what they did not like.
4) Gives everyone a chance to see someone else's viewpoint on something they
might not have realized about a particular holder.
Thanks for your input. Chaz
PSA - 5 votes
BGS - 4 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 6 votes
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<< <i>I think it's extremely difficult to just pick one. Like someone said earlier, each holder has something that the other one lacks. I also think this thread is funny as hell since we can't just click one because someone didn't set it up that way. If I was to make a holder; it would incorporate a piece of SGC, BGS, and GAI. The holder itself would be SGC, the label would be BGS, and the black insert would be GAI because it's thicker than the SGC insert and viola! I'm hoping SGC will eventually change their flips/labels and go with a metallic look. I think it would give them an eye popping product. I've always like the metallic look (GAI/BGS). >>
Why is this thread funny as hell?? ....... think a little bit. I could have done it the other way by just hitting a button but I decided to do it this way for the the following reasons:
1) Thank all the people who voted.
2) Get to see their views on why they what they like.
3) Get to see what they did not like.
4) Gives everyone a chance to see someone else's viewpoint on something they
might not have realized about a particular holder.
Thanks for your input. Chaz >>
nerd.
you specifically replied to my post with a stupid ass comment saying "You have only one choice to be entered in the poll but thanks for your input. chaz "
<< <i>
<< <i>I think it's extremely difficult to just pick one. Like someone said earlier, each holder has something that the other one lacks. I also think this thread is funny as hell since we can't just click one because someone didn't set it up that way. If I was to make a holder; it would incorporate a piece of SGC, BGS, and GAI. The holder itself would be SGC, the label would be BGS, and the black insert would be GAI because it's thicker than the SGC insert and viola! I'm hoping SGC will eventually change their flips/labels and go with a metallic look. I think it would give them an eye popping product. I've always like the metallic look (GAI/BGS). >>
Why is this thread funny as hell?? ....... think a little bit. I could have done it the other way by just hitting a button but I decided to do it this way for the the following reasons:
1) Thank all the people who voted.
2) Get to see their views on why they what they like.
3) Get to see what they did not like.
4) Gives everyone a chance to see someone else's viewpoint on something they
might not have realized about a particular holder.
Thanks for your input. Chaz >>
Chaz
Good reasons for your decision.
Tell you what - sometimes people won't take the time to comment - if you put a survey first - you can always ask for input in the title thread also.
But, I understand your reasoning.
The end result from this discussion - as in others on the holder, is to have one that serves ALL situations best.
In the spirit of discussion - I would guess the reason no company can do it all is "cost" - the larger the inventory of holders with respect to different needs, the higher the cost.
My overall impression is that people want a holder that:
1. You can ID the card from the TOP also.
2. Capable of fitting ALL kinds of cards attractively.
3. Has borders that flatter ALL types of cards - lighter border for dark cards and darker border for light cards.
4. When needed, has a "custom gasket" to fit die cut cards, odd ball cards etc.
5. Has an attractive flip that DOESN'T distract the eye from the main event: the CARD.
6. Has optically accurate and clear plastic.
7. Is Tamper PROOF - when opened can NEVER be resealed.
Anything we can add?
mike
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<< <i>I think it's extremely difficult to just pick one. Like someone said earlier, each holder has something that the other one lacks. I also think this thread is funny as hell since we can't just click one because someone didn't set it up that way. If I was to make a holder; it would incorporate a piece of SGC, BGS, and GAI. The holder itself would be SGC, the label would be BGS, and the black insert would be GAI because it's thicker than the SGC insert and viola! I'm hoping SGC will eventually change their flips/labels and go with a metallic look. I think it would give them an eye popping product. I've always like the metallic look (GAI/BGS). >>
Why is this thread funny as hell?? ....... think a little bit. I could have done it the other way by just hitting a button but I decided to do it this way for the the following reasons:
1) Thank all the people who voted.
2) Get to see their views on why they what they like.
3) Get to see what they did not like.
4) Gives everyone a chance to see someone else's viewpoint on something they
might not have realized about a particular holder.
Thanks for your input. Chaz >>
nerd.
you specifically replied to my post with a stupid ass comment saying "You have only one choice to be entered in the poll but thanks for your input. chaz " >>
ARE YOU BRAIN DEAD ?????? Yes, you do have only one choice to be entered in the poll and you can certainly have input . I did thank you for your input......comprende?????? chaz
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<< <i>I think it's extremely difficult to just pick one. Like someone said earlier, each holder has something that the other one lacks. I also think this thread is funny as hell since we can't just click one because someone didn't set it up that way. If I was to make a holder; it would incorporate a piece of SGC, BGS, and GAI. The holder itself would be SGC, the label would be BGS, and the black insert would be GAI because it's thicker than the SGC insert and viola! I'm hoping SGC will eventually change their flips/labels and go with a metallic look. I think it would give them an eye popping product. I've always like the metallic look (GAI/BGS). >>
Why is this thread funny as hell?? ....... think a little bit. I could have done it the other way by just hitting a button but I decided to do it this way for the the following reasons:
1) Thank all the people who voted.
2) Get to see their views on why they what they like.
3) Get to see what they did not like.
4) Gives everyone a chance to see someone else's viewpoint on something they
might not have realized about a particular holder.
Thanks for your input. Chaz >>
Chaz
Good reasons for your decision.
Tell you what - sometimes people won't take the time to comment - if you put a survey first - you can always ask for input in the title thread also.
But, I understand your reasoning.
The end result from this discussion - as in others on the holder, is to have one that serves ALL situations best.
In the spirit of discussion - I would guess the reason no company can do it all is "cost" - the larger the inventory of holders with respect to different needs, the higher the cost.
My overall impression is that people want a holder that:
1. You can ID the card from the TOP also.
2. Capable of fitting ALL kinds of cards attractively.
3. Has borders that flatter ALL types of cards - lighter border for dark cards and darker border for light cards.
4. When needed, has a "custom gasket" to fit die cut cards, odd ball cards etc.
5. Has an attractive flip that DOESN'T distract the eye from the main event: the CARD.
6. Has optically accurate and clear plastic.
7. Is Tamper PROOF - when opened can NEVER be resealed.
Anything we can add?
mike >>
Thanks Mike, really like all of your viewpoints.
I'd like to add that the thickness of the holder is really important and I think PSA does this the best. Also, the curvature of the holder is important too and again, I feel that PSA does this the best again and I must say that the rounded edge of the PSA holder is also the best. I really like the top ID provided by GAI as well but I think their holders are too thick and the bottom edge is too sharp and I don't like the gray look. chaz
I hate GAI's non arrow head corners and the fact they are deeper then the avg. card so it allows the card to bow.
I hate SGC's flip if it was up to me they would have the old SBC flip and never had changed.
I hate PSA's condom but other than that I would put them 2nd behind SCD.
I hate BGS holders with the colored flip (we are too dumb to figure it out on our own?) and not a big fan of the plastic sleeve. In hand they look OK but scanning and uploading to EBAY or your set just doesn't look right?Same can be said for SGC and GAI.
Just for argumants sake I wonder how long it takes SGC to make one of those inserts for the scraps cards? I would imagine that is a revenue eater and not producer? Could you imagine if PSA and all the cards they receive daily did that ? You wouldn't see your cards for a year.
So Chaz I guess its PSA for me but that could change without further notice. If you do decide to add SCD to the list chalk up one vote.
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<< <i>You may laugh but I think the SCD slab is the best in the business. I like the machine cut black insert and the silver label on all cards.
I hate GAI's non arrow head corners and the fact they are deeper then the avg. card so it allows the card to bow.
I hate SGC's flip if it was up to me they would have the old SBC flip and never had changed.
I hate PSA's condom but other than that I would put them 2nd behind SCD.
I hate BGS holders with the colored flip (we are too dumb to figure it out on our own?) and not a big fan of the plastic sleeve. In hand they look OK but scanning and uploading to EBAY or your set just doesn't look right?Same can be said for SGC and GAI.
Just for argumants sake I wonder how long it takes SGC to make one of those inserts for the scraps cards? I would imagine that is a revenue eater and not producer? Could you imagine if PSA and all the cards they receive daily did that ? You wouldn't see your cards for a year.
So Chaz I guess its PSA for me but that could change without further notice. If you do decide to add SCD to the list chalk up one vote. >>
I will add you to PSA. Thanks for your input , really appreciate it. Chaz
PSA - 6 votes
BGS - 4 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 6 votes
<< <i>Just for argumants sake I wonder how long it takes SGC to make one of those inserts for the scraps cards? I would imagine that is a revenue eater and not producer? Could you imagine if PSA and all the cards they receive daily did that ? >>
John
In many businesses, they have a CAD/CAM diamond cutter and laser cutter - you scan and it does the job - it can cut an analog or can cut something to fill a void you scan.
There is a Laser CAD/CAM cutter - I'm willing to bet they have it for paper - which means that's all one has to do is:
1. Scan the item.
2. Press "cut" - and it will cut a hole in the gasket with a small amount of added tolerance to fit the card in.
This is just a guess.
Even if the machine is 100K, with the usage it gets - very cost effective.
mike
My ebay listings
Thats pretty cool. I have a few disc's in SGC slabs that look way better than the condom. I would be curious to find out if thats truth. I always envisioned a college kid in a factory enviroment cutting inserts with an exacto knife.
I personally like a little room on the sides and top of the card and unless your playing frisbee with the slabs its kind of hard to see any card getting damaged? I have been wrong before though.
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<< <i>Mike
Thats pretty cool. I have a few disc's in SGC slabs that look way better than the condom. I would be curious to find out if thats truth. I always envisioned a college kid in a factory enviroment cutting inserts with an exacto knife.
I personally like a little room on the sides and top of the card and unless your playing frisbee with the slabs its kind of hard to see any card getting damaged? I have been wrong before though. >>
John
I just pm'ed a mutual friend of ours to see what he can find out about how the gaskets are cut.
If they don't have some kind of laser technology - I will be very suprised in this day.
mike
<< <i>I buy almost exclusively PSA slabs, but I really do not like how the cards can move around in the holders. Protecting the card should be a top priority in designing a slab IMHO. For this reason, I'll vote for the BGS/BVG holder. >>
Thanks. chaz
<< <i>Thanks. chaz >>
Thanks. pandrews
PSA - 6 votes
BGS - 5 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 6 votes
<< <i>Update #8:
PSA - 6 votes
BGS - 5 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 6 votes >>
Thanks. pandrews
BGS- holder detracts from the card and is just too thick & heavy. I want to display my cards quality not Beckett's name.
For those reasons I'll have to go with PSA(Rattle card gets me but I dont throw them around, too often
PSA gets another vote for the best holder.
<< <i>SGC- Presents the cards well, but card/gasket color is an issue. Plus, having a card under the gasket is a pita. and makes you wonder about condition.
BGS- holder detracts from the card and is just too thick & heavy. I want to display my cards quality not Beckett's name.
For those reasons I'll have to go with PSA(Rattle card gets me but I dont throw them around, too often
PSA gets another vote for the best holder. >>
Thanks. I'll add another one for PSA and appreciate your views. chaz
I wish they'd add the tag to the top so you can get info on the cards if they are in a stack.
The others all have more significant issues.
Thanks. Axtell.
PSA - 7 votes
BGS - 5 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 6 votes
<< <i>PSA is the simplest and best, but not perfect, holder.
I wish they'd add the tag to the top so you can get info on the cards if they are in a stack.
The others all have more significant issues.
Thanks. Axtell. >>
I'll add another one for PSA. Thanks for your views. chaz
PSA - 8 votes
BGS - 5 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 6 votes
My reasons are :
PSA- I like the look of the slab but the movement thing kills it for me
BGS- Again I like the look but the sleeve they use has to go. I have two cards that developed some sort of skin rash
The reason I vote for SGC is because the slab has a nice clean, smooth feel to it. Plus the insert really goes well with alot of cards.
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>SGC
My reasons are :
PSA- I like the look of the slab but the movement thing kills it for me
BGS- Again I like the look but the sleeve they use has to go. I have two cards that developed some sort of skin rash
The reason I vote for SGC is because the slab has a nice clean, smooth feel to it. Plus the insert really goes well with alot of cards. >>
Thanks and I'll add SGC to the list. Appreciate info on BGS. chaz
PSA - 8 votes
BGS - 5 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 7 votes
<< <i>If you hold 2 of the the same card next to each other, 1 in a bgs holder, the other in a PSA holder, you can see a clear difference..the PSA plastic is much clearer and crisper and actually brightens up the card, the BGS holder somehow dulls the finish of the card (too thick maybe) >>
The reason for the "dullness" in the BGS slab in comparrison to the PSA slab is the "baggy" BGS uses. Protection, yes. Looks, no.
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
Too bad the holder is the ONLY thing I like about BGS these days.
On the other hand I collect 1963 Fleer football and PSA is by far the most attractive holder for these cards.
GAI has a great idea with the card name on top of the holder.
I have T206's with all 3 companies.
I'll have to cast my vote with SGC.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
<< <i>Well, to be exact, BGS does not actually use a "bag". It's a Mylar sleeve that's crimped during the slabbing process. >>
Yes you are correct. I was aware that it was a sleeve. But its made into a bag. If its a Mylar sleeve made to be a sealed bag, then its a bag
1994 Pro Line Live
TheDallasCowboyBackfieldProject
<< <i>I collect T206's and the SGC slab is the best to show off this cards
On the other hand I collect 1963 Fleer football and PSA is by far the most attractive holder for these cards.
GAI has a great idea with the card name on top of the holder.
I have T206's with all 3 companies.
I'll have to cast my vote with SGC. >>
Thanks very much and your views are appreciated. I will put you in for SGC. chaz
PSA - 8 votes
BGS - 5 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 8 votes
<< <i>Update #12:
PSA - 8 votes
BGS - 5 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 8 votes >>
Thanks. pandrews.
PSA - 8 votes
BGS - 5 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 8 votes
Thanks. EagleEyeKid
<< <i>I think the plastic SGC uses is cheap id have to go with psa. bgs would win if the holders werent so bulky. >>
I will put you in for PSA. Thanks for your input and appreciate your views. chaz
PSA - 9 votes
BGS - 5 votes
GAI - 3 votes
SGC - 8 votes
Unique Chicago Cards
Wrestling Cards
BTW, I believe the first grading company to use the top flap to identify was AGS. I may be wrong but these definetly had them pre-GAI.
Mark Mulder rookies
Chipper Jones rookies
Orlando Cabrera rookies
Lawrence Taylor
Sam Huff
Lavar Arrington
NY Giants
NY Yankees
NJ Nets
NJ Devils
1950s-1960s Topps NY Giants Team cards
Looking for Topps rookies as well.
References:
GregM13
VintageJeff
The BGS slab IS thicker, and I'll agree it would be nice to see them thin down a little... I'd also like to see the grades return to the backside of the label.
I submit more cards to PSA than I do Beckett... that might be because PSA is much cheaper, but sell just as well (if not better) than the BGS.
When I started collecting the graded stuff, I was exclusive to BGS... it's was only about a couple years ago that I started in on PSA's. I'm slowly starting to turn,
but for now I'd have to say the BGS slab' are "the best holder."
I'm also surprised a little that PSA is not killing the rest on this poll here.... after all, this IS the PSA Boards!
ALWAYS Looking for Chris Sabo cards!
<< <i>I have cards in all the main holders but if given one vote it's SGC. I also must note that I hate the black insert on black borderd cards! >>
I will put you in for SGC. Thanks for your input and appreciate your views. chaz
<< <i>I will put you in for SGC. Thanks for your input and appreciate your views. chaz >>
Thanks. pandrews.
<< <i>My vote goes SGC.
BTW, I believe the first grading company to use the top flap to identify was AGS. I may be wrong but these definetly had them pre-GAI. >>
I will put you in for SGC. Thanks for your input and appreciate your views. chaz
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<< <i>My vote goes SGC.
BTW, I believe the first grading company to use the top flap to identify was AGS. I may be wrong but these definetly had them pre-GAI. >>
I will put you in for SGC. Thanks for your input and appreciate your views. chaz >>
Thanks. pandrews.
<< <i>I have to say the BGS/BVG gets my vote. I only buy/collect the BGS and PSA slabs. I've never been a big fan of any of the other grading companies for misc. reasons.
The BGS slab IS thicker, and I'll agree it would be nice to see them thin down a little... I'd also like to see the grades return to the backside of the label.
I submit more cards to PSA than I do Beckett... that might be because PSA is much cheaper, but sell just as well (if not better) than the BGS.
When I started collecting the graded stuff, I was exclusive to BGS... it's was only about a couple years ago that I started in on PSA's. I'm slowly starting to turn,
but for now I'd have to say the BGS slab' are "the best holder."
I'm also surprised a little that PSA is not killing the rest on this poll here.... after all, this IS the PSA Boards! >>
I will put you in for BGS. I am suprised too, I thought PSA would be running away with this. Thanks for your input and appreciate your views. chaz