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Fake 1895 dollar on Fleabay??

majorbigtimemajorbigtime Posts: 2,937 ✭
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Check out Item number: 8413065183 (linkee please). I emailed the seller that it appears to be fake (altered date), and received the following response:

Thanks so much for the info...I truly appreciate it. It is being graded as we speak
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    OffMetalOffMetal Posts: 1,684 ✭
    Link
    -Ben T. * Collector of Errors! * Proud member of the CUFYNA
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    MrSpudMrSpud Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭
    Link I wouldn't bid a sassafras nickel on that one
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    nolimitznolimitz Posts: 441 ✭
    never mindimage
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    OffMetalOffMetal Posts: 1,684 ✭


    << <i>Link I wouldn't bid a sassafras nickel on that one >>



    I'd give melt for it image
    -Ben T. * Collector of Errors! * Proud member of the CUFYNA
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    majorbigtimemajorbigtime Posts: 2,937 ✭
    so you think it's questionable????
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    DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    I'd give melt for it image >>



    What is melt on pot metal now-a-days ?
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    OffMetalOffMetal Posts: 1,684 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    I'd give melt for it image >>



    What is melt on pot metal now-a-days ? >>



    99 cents image
    -Ben T. * Collector of Errors! * Proud member of the CUFYNA
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    ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    Is there any doubt? Look at the date.
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    MrSpudMrSpud Posts: 4,499 ✭✭✭
    That 5 looks totally wrong
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    GeminiGemini Posts: 3,085 ✭
    The 5 looks tired image
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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    looks like they've already hooked someone with more money than they know what to do with...
    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
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    ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    On second thought, it's a Power Seller with 100% positives. How can you go wrong? Bid now...........NOT!
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    LanLordLanLord Posts: 11,754 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<Thanks so much for the info...I truly appreciate it. It is being graded as we speak >>

    Oh yeah, he's gonna get a real nice letter in that grading package.

    That's the crappiest looking 5 I have ever seen!
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    coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Forget the date - look at the rest of the coin. It appears to be a complete fake, not just an altered date.
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Forget the date - look at the rest of the coin. It appears to be a complete fake, not just an altered date.

    It looks like they made a counterfeit coin...and then altered the date. Double trouble.
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
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    librtyheadlibrtyhead Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Check out Item number: 8413065183 (linkee please). I emailed the seller that it appears to be fake (altered date), and received the following response:

    Thanks so much for the info...I truly appreciate it. It is being graded as we speak >>

    Is he going to the closet to get a PRESTO slab?
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    DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,832 ✭✭✭✭
    LOL! The stars, the rim ... the whole enchilada. It's a poor tribute to Morgan's artistry.
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    morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293 ✭
    "Look at my feedback, you can trust me"--yea, just like I trust the guy who botched up the date so badly. image
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1856 dollar he is also selling is another typical Chinese fake. I have an article on these coming up in COINage in a week or two.
    Tom D.
    Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Also won the PNG's Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    Wolf359Wolf359 Posts: 7,666 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Forget the date - look at the rest of the coin. It appears to be a complete fake, not just an altered date. >>



    Yes. Cast counterfiet, very poorly made.
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    rec78rec78 Posts: 5,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have sent her an email telling her that those two coins are not genuine and asked her to cancel the auctions. Let us see what happens now. She is a trading assistant also. (whatever that is.) i am getting pretty tired of those fakes on ebay trying to be sold as genuine with some artificial excuse as to not knowing if they are real or not-BULL- i used to report all those auctions with fake coins but it was to no avail as ebay did nothing about them. So it is let the buyer beware- there is a bidder but i doubt if a sale will take place-it is either a shill or a bidder who will withdraw his bid or not pay. Bobimage
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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I e-mailed the seller earlier and asked about a return policy on this coin...I didn't see one and I've not heard back.

    Leo
    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
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    relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭

    Run Forrest, Run
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    majorbigtimemajorbigtime Posts: 2,937 ✭
    I referred the bidder to this link---I'm such a baaaaad boy!
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    headsplitter2headsplitter2 Posts: 469 ✭✭✭
    See all that crap she's selling?
    How about this 150 year old rocker chair
    What a laugh!image
    Maybe 150 month's.
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    Death and Taxes" ~~ Ben Franklin
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gee, the bidder seems to hit all of the forum's "favorite" ebay sellers. image
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,530 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like the fake dollars coming out of China.


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    rec78rec78 Posts: 5,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well i did get a reply-Thanks for your concern....they are being graded right now. Melonie
    so i asked her what grading service?--no reply yet.image
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    DrWhoDrWho Posts: 562 ✭✭
    this is a good case.

    a.) obvious fake, to all, bidders, buyers, seller, and ebay.
    b.) why is the auction allowed to complete.

    this is harmful to all of ebay's coin 'customers', bidders and sellers.

    when someone auctions an 1895, it should immediately come to ebays attention for screening. immediately. now suppose, they just let it go, have the bidder then complain, get refund, seller gets NARU, paypal disupute/refund, whatever. you telling me this is easier and cheaper, for ebay, then shutting down the auction in the first place?

    what a bunch of marooons. and i'll repeat, this ruins it for the legit buyers and sellers.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Reported to eBay, and I also sent this to the scamster:



    << <i>This coin is an obvious counterfeit. Selling this fake is a federal offense. If you're smart, you'll shut this auction down now before you get arrested for fraud. >>



    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Russ...I like it... Short, not-so-sweet, and definitely to the point.

    Leo
    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
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    morgannut2morgannut2 Posts: 4,293 ✭
    Oh the Melonie girl!! She fished around the NGC boards a year ago for awhile and was pretty good at playing dumb. Good answer by Russ!!!!!!!!image
    morgannut2
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    kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I am currently the high bidder!
    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I am currently the high bidder! >>



    Wow...pricey "pocket-piece"...

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    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
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    kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I was thinking more of a giveaway.. image
    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
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    ThenewguyThenewguy Posts: 755 ✭
    Whats wrong with this trade dollar on the "Bay"? Look at the pic then read the description.. LOL
    Trade dollar auction
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    1969s WCLR-001 counterclash
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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,344 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I was thinking more of a giveaway.. image >>



    Gee...count me in!! It's probably the only way I'd ever be able to complete a set of Morgan Dollars!!image
    Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;

    Successful BST transactions with: SilverEagles92; Ahrensdad; Smitty; GregHansen; Lablade; Mercury10c; copperflopper; whatsup; KISHU1; scrapman1077, crispy, canadanz, smallchange, robkool, Mission16, ranshdow, ibzman350, Fallguy, Collectorcoins, SurfinxHI, jwitten, Walkerguy21D, dsessom.
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    xphobexphobe Posts: 605
    "it’s be worth to collection"!!
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    kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I *did* look at the seller's other auctions. They have 0 expereince selling coins!
    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
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    flashbangflashbang Posts: 134
    this is in the listing

    << <i>hasn't been graded but if no one bids on it, It will be graded and relisted for much more >>



    Yet in 2 replies to people here that have questioned the seller they claim it is being graded now. I think that in itself refutes the new seller excuse or 'unknowing' seller.
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    krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    Can't be too many counterfeits with altered dates, can there?

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

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    kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    We're up to 15k! Time for me to think about raising the bid!
    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
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    rlawsharlawsha Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭
    Got this from the seller:

    Thanks so much for the concern, we are having it graded as we speak, so hopefully all concerns will be lifted before very much longer, I would never intentionally wrong anyone, so before anyone ever paid one dollar for it, it would be graded. Thanks again!...

    Sounds like the seller may have not realized what was going on.... or just trying to make a quick buck, take your pick. I tend to think that the seller was unaware of the authenticity of this coin. A seller with a feedback score of 2541 with 100% positives usually is a straight shooter.

    With all that being said I think either the seller or eBay should yank the auction now.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The counterfeit is not even close. The whole coin only bears a resemblance to Morgan Dollar.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I got a similar BS response. I don't buy it for a second. This seller knows exactly what she's doing.

    Russ, NCNE

    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
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    kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Should I go as high as 20K? I'm only in for 15K at the time. If I increase the bid instead of being out a Toyota Yaris, I'll be out a Subaru Impreza.
    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    You can bid as high as you'd like. The seller has already promised that they won't take any money until it's graded.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
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    curlycurly Posts: 2,880 ✭
    I e-mailed her alo and got the same response as everyone else.
    Every man is a self made man.
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    OldReadingOldReading Posts: 129


    << <i>Should I go as high as 20K? I'm only in for 15K at the time. If I increase the bid instead of being out a Toyota Yaris, I'll be out a Subaru Impreza. >>



    I'm gonna snipe ya buddy. You're in my crosshairs.image
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    rlawsharlawsha Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Should I go as high as 20K? I'm only in for 15K at the time. If I increase the bid instead of being out a Toyota Yaris, I'll be out a Subaru Impreza. >>



    Go...
    Go...
    Go....

    We haven't gotten the mob fired up for a while here. Maybe eBay will notice if it goes up to a million....

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