<< <i>Do I think this is because the poor centering of this set and the Dark Borders. >>
Dark borders will always add some difficulty to getting high grades. But if I remember correctly this year has some really thin card stock which also doesn't help. Plus the popularity is really lacking with this one and that can be seen by the fact that less than 400 cards have been graded by PSA. But this stuff is plentiful so if you want to rip a few cases you could do it for next to nothing and find good raw cards to submit. If I had to pick from that year I would probably go with the Fleer set. Almost 5,000 cards graded so it would probably be a little easier to already find some graded on the Bay. Plus they used better card stock and I prefer the design more then the Donruss.
Fellow Board Members I know at the top of the POP reports it shows 387 totals but that’s wrong. Scroll down just a little and you'll see 449 ROBERTO ALOMAR cards have been submitted and only 10 of them are 10's. Or MARK McGWIRE 444 has been submitted and only 12 10's. Then theirs DEVON WHITE 356 of one version and 539 of another Variant and no tens and only one 9. Then my Favorite card of the whole set #644 TOM GLAVINE 345 submitted and only 10 10's. And if you look at the bgs report 9737 submitted only 24 9.5's Gem Mint 73 9's Mint.
I don’t know about you guys but looks like a lot has tried to get good grades to me and learned this is a really tuff set in high grade. Please everyone take time to look closely at the POP reports to see that PSA top total is way off.
You're right, the Pop Report for that set is all screwed up, but I wouldn't read too much into the numbers for White. I could be wrong about this, but I think those cards were graded en masse as some sort of free PSA-graded card giveaway. I wanna say it was an all-kids-under-x-get-a-free-graded-card promo at a major show a while back. I doubt the cards were meticulously reviewed before being submitted if they were just used for marketing.
Anyway, there are probably still thousands of tons of this product sitting around unopened. Get yourself a wax case or two and build a terrific raw set that meets your own grading standards instead of the almost random differences between a PSA 9 and PSA 10. Paying even $3 a pop for PSA's opinion on cards like these is absurd.
And I realize there's more to the hobby than resale value, but given the amount of dough we spend on pieces of cardboard bearing pictures of men holding balls or wielding sticks, I personally prefer buying stuff that gives me at least some hope of breaking even should I ever tire of the hobby or need to sell due to extreme circumstances.
<< <i>And I realize there's more to the hobby than resale value, but given the amount of dough we spend on pieces of cardboard bearing pictures of men holding balls or wielding sticks, I personally prefer buying stuff that gives me at least some hope of breaking even should I ever tire of the hobby or need to sell due to extreme circumstances. >>
That is probably one of the smartest things I have heard on these boards.
Just a caution here; 10's are very difficult to come by, even in this "modern" set. I would speculate that a 10 would be fairly rare and you would probably end up with nearly as many 8s and 9s. From my experience, this is a difficult set. So you will need to establish your baseline...are 8s good enough?
If you're really serious about doing an 88D graded set, you'll need to buy product and crack it yourself. BBC Exchance has the following on their web site - 88 Donruss 10-box wax case - $65 88 Donruss Factory Set case - $55
If you're serious about the set, buying unopened and submitting your own is absolutely the best way to go.
<< And I realize there's more to the hobby than resale value, but given the amount of dough we spend on pieces of cardboard bearing pictures of men holding balls or wielding sticks, I personally prefer buying stuff that gives me at least some hope of breaking even should I ever tire of the hobby or need to sell due to extreme circumstances. >>
I seen about 4 months ago when i was heavy in BGS a BGS 9.5 Tom Glavine go for about $120.
Look at this PSA 9 I'm bidding on and can't seem to stay the top bidder Ebay PSA Card
I do understand what your saying but it looks like for 10's and 9's you could bust out if a person wanted too. Just my Opinion though. Please keep the feedback coming. this is turning into a great thread.
Thanks All!!
Joe
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I take the motto do what ever you want. Some one has to be a trail blazer. I enjoyed opening many a pack back in 1988. I think I visited Target once or twice and loaded up a shopping cart with all the wax, rack and blisters they had on sale at the end of the year. I was only 15 at the time. God only knows how many sets I have at my parents. Good luck with your quest.
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As ridiculously abundant as 88D is, I think it's incredibly silly to pay $100+ (or even $50+) for any 88D card - PSA10 or not. But so long as people are willing to bid stupidly, you have to live in that world. This is exactly why I said that buying unopened and submitting your own is the best way to go. At standard prices if you submit a 100-card order, you're into each graded card for around $6.50 per (after shipping each way, etc). Any specials only reduce the cost.
I think it's a pretty simple decision - do you want a PSA10 you bought on eBay for $110 or one you submitted yourself that you're into for less than $7 total?
The unopened product is easy to find. . .you just have to go through it.
Mike your Exactly right. Just think how many unopened box's $100 bucks buy's you of the 88's. All I know if I get a roger clememns 9 and then get a 10 in my submissions I'll be happy to keep the 9 and sell the 10 to help with the quest of grading this set.
Thanks,
Joe
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<< <i>Mike your Exactly right. Just think how many unopened box's $100 bucks buy's you of the 88's. All I know if I get a roger clememns 9 and then get a 10 in my submissions I'll be happy to keep the 9 and sell the 10 to help with the quest of grading this set.
Thanks,
Joe >>
I bet there are those who are thinking:
That would be shrewd, Joe, but unfortunately, you would still working on a 1988 Donruss set. What next? the 1886 N167 Old Judge of modern baseball card sets - 1989 Bowman?
Kidding aside, I wouldn't read too much into that Clemens sale. Collectors, as they often do, misperceived a low population total for a given card in a given grade with genuine rareness. As mcastaldi's posts suggest, those bidders could've bought a wax case, had the thrill of opening, what, 5,400 factory fresh '88 Donruss cards, pulled the nicest Clemens cards, submitted them and very possibly have ended up with a PSA 10 for less than the $115 that one went for.
But again, even grading these yourself is lunacy. We're talking about cards that can be purchased in virtually limitless quantities for under 2 cents each. Would slabbing the cards for even $5 increase your enjoyment of them 25,000 percent?
The whole topic of grading this ENTIRE set card by card really is lunacy, as I said before in my previous response to this post - no disrespect to you for doing what makes you happy but 600 + cards in the set, searching for high grade cards 1 by 1, the grading fees, shipping fees, the fact that you might lose interest down the line, ZERO return on any money invested in this project = possible nightmare down the road. To each his own but anybody that has given you a thumbs up for this is clearly has to agree with the negative's on this.
Ok ALL. I'm getting so many mixed reviews on this set by very experienced collectors. Some say go for it others say don't. I really do love this set and have 2 ungraded sets of it. Still working on some of the cards centering, and believe me this set is tuff. How many of you collect modern day cards???Any fans of this set??? I know now this may not seem like a good investment, but hey if PSA was around in 1988 you said you where going to grade the 84 donruss people would have thought you're Crazy YOU"LL NEVER GET YOUR MONEY BACK. Now I see PSA 10 commons go for $30. You never know 20 years from now what kind of attention this set may bring or even money on the sales of its cards. Plus anyone that’s opened boxes sets or rack packs know that it a tuff set to get GEM Mints. Hence the price for the Clemens.
So I I'm asking all you Collector's what’s the best Approach to building this modern set. How should I Start with this set. Sub sets, Stars???
I plan on in the next few months to continue like I have been and mostly buy Unopened Material. I will however be submitting some and buying some on eBay. So if anyone has some for sell PM me or just post.
Thank you again for your post and the help everyone has given me so far. Keep them coming. BAD OR GOOD IS WELCOME. lol
I feel like this is not just my project but I’m doing it for all us young guys who grew up in the mass production era.
Joe
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PERKDOG You make a very valid point, and no disrespect taken. I value your opinion very much even if I don't agree. Your point does make much sense, but let’s talk hypothetical. Even if I did lose interest 90% I never get rid of my cards unless they bring the big bucks. I do this for the pure enjoyment of busting packs and finding the best. Cool thing is they are cheap and plentiful so I can obtain them. I can't afford to obtain and unopened !957 pack of cards let alone a box. I collect to collect not to leave a pack unopened to make money and not be enjoyed by my inner child.
Sad to say and I'm guilty myself sometimes we take our money and our cards to serious. Lighten up and let’s have some fun ya.
Thanks,
Joe
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Losing money, It won't even come close to the amount that some of these people have lost when they jumped into the registry in it's early days. In just the 1975 set I can remember people paying hundreds of dollars for a low pop 8, now they can get the same card in a 9 for 1 tenth of what they paid for it.
Joe, you make valid points as well. If you seriously dont get rid of cards that you purchase in hopes to someday make a profit then AWESOME! I wish I could find a set that was as easy and plentiful (and cheap ) to collect and find the same enjoyment as you. I really get a kick out of the fact that the 88 Donruss set appeals to you so much, I guess then do what makes you happy, but be aware of the sharks that will try to make top dollar off you in your pursuit of your goal.
Set building has always been a thorn in my side as far as the registry goes, I always start out strong and love to watch my GPA and completion % go up as I add new cards to my set, but it never fails..I always get bored and sell to get into my next pipe dream set, lucky for Me I only collect early fifties material where the market seems to stay fairly solid and I ussually get back most of my money but almost always no profit. That being why I figured it would not be a good idea to invest money and time into a 88 Donruss set but your collecting goals are different than mine so I can appreaciate your thought process on this. Best of luck
Some people may say he is wasting his money but look at from a different perspcetive. If Marshall Fogel spends $20,000 over what a 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 10 should sell for, nobody on here would say that's stupid. Everybody would say, "Wow, he really bid strong on that card", and he just wasted $20,000! Yet if he wants to spend $4,000 on this set, people think he's crazy. In the end, one guy wasted $20,000 and one guy wasted $4,000. Which is worse? By the way, I don't think it's a waste of $4,000. If you got it to spend and you enjoy it, go for it.
I know what you're trying to say, but you're comparing a 1952 Topps Mantle with 1988 Donruss?!?
Like others have said before, collect what you want. It's obvious you like 1988 Donruss, but why would you want to slab this set though? If I wanted to put together a high grade "junk wax" set from the late 1980s, I would just purchase a case of the crap on eBay and break it and have fun. Why get PSA involved? To me, it's more like collecting labels than the actual cards itself.
So for all you vintage collectors here is the reason i like Modren. Just to let you know I wish I had Half as good Collection you guys have.
anyways here goes......................................And Remember this is just my line of thinking.
A Frank Howard RC I purchased b/c I think he's a good ball player. PSA 6 SMR $16 I paid with shipping and everything $11.50 The card is over 45 years old and IMO nice shape.
Now look at this beauty WHO IS A HOFer in psa a 9. Only a little over 17 years old. Total cost $3.79
Now I'm oly 25. lets say I keep this till I'm 55.
That would put this card to about the same age.
What do HOFer's go for in this set at PSA 9. Well 1960 psa 9 commons go for $100+ and HOFer's Range in the thousands.
Sounds like a pretty good return on my money and I had fun doing.
Just wanted to show that this is not a total waste. Who knows maybe it could be in 30 Yrs a psa 9 88 yount goes for $5 but I doubt that.
I have time on my side. hahahahahaha
Thanks all and keep the posts coming. Joe
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Sorry Steve Not trying to take anything away from the 60's. Ill keep the goal of sub sets first and see how I feel about doing the whole set. But if you know anyone that has these 88's graded 8 or better tell'em to PM me. You can also email me at JMS318@hotmail.com
Joe
Obtw I'm 2nd all time on this set. Not that it takes much to be their. LOL
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If you actually think 1988 Donruss will appreciate in value 35 years from now simply because it's been graded by PSA and the card is old, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. Using your logic, I should start hoarding cases of Starpics and Frontrow basketball cards now so I can retire comfortably in 30 years.
DaBigHurt that’s why I diversify my investments. I do buy vintage just not mint vintage At least not yet. Also Cards are my hobby I put my money in the real market called the IRA and 401. LOL Who knows my 88 set my go for $20,000 in 2035. LOL just kidding but you never know.
Thanks for the reply DaBigHurt.
Joe
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Joe, I like your ambition, but grading that entire set would cost a ton of $. I really like some late 80s Topps sets, but there is no way I am going to send a 1987 Topps Billy Jo Robidoux to get graded. I just bought a bunch of card savers and cheap wax and started putting together PSA 10-quality sets. I stole the idea from board member downgoesfrazier. The sets are far from complete, but what I have is killer stuff. I also find myself getting bored with the sets sometimes. However, since I have about $40 in the whole mess, it is no big deal to leave them in a corner for a couple of months. If you find yourself halfway through the set, and you are still crazy about it, then you can send in a bulk submission. Just spend the time putting it together. That is the fun part anyhow. Don’t be in a big rush to dump a boatload of cash that most likely has no ROI.
There was a thread a year or so ago where DGF was posting some of the raw cards from his sets. They were phenomenal.
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the 88 donruss set may very well be "worth" 20 k in the yr 2035, however did it occur to you that 20k may be "worth" 5k in todays dollars? I am of course assuming the set is in PSA 10 not 8 , 9 and some 10's
That would basically put you in the posistion of breaking even on the grading fees (if that)
with all that has been said I still am convinced that it is a great idea to have the set graded BUT just the subsets.
DK Rated Rookies MVP's and the other few sets that were only produced in jumbo's and different packaging.
somewhere in my basement I have the complete 88 donruss set with all those variations and subsets.
I think everybody here likes your enthusiasm for the 1988 Donruss set. I sure do. However, it is the grading cost per card in this monster set which will NO DOUBT bring you almost zero return for the dollar spent. Most guys who post here have "value" and "re-sale" very high up on the list of priorities.
I say, if you know that you are going to take a huge bath grading every card in the set with VERY SLIM chances of them ever appreciating, have no problem affording it with expendable income then by all means GO FOR IT. I am sure there are ALOT of young guys like yourself who grew up with these over produced (some very cool designs though) cards who look at them as pieces of youth. We don't hear from them often though because the thought of collecting these cards in a graded registry is beat up from the feet up here.
I received a decent amount of flak early on collecting my 1978 Topps PSA 9 and better set. There are alot of guys who view mid to late 70's cards with the same amount of disdain as your 1988 Donruss set.
Have at it Joe! And don't listen to the noise around you if you are truly ready to never see your monetary investment re-couped
Joe, also when you go buy a car don't buy new. You will take a bath on the resale or trade in. Really come on if you like it don't let people discourage you or change your goals.
Softy, there is a huge difference between late 70s cards and late 80s card - by an order of several magnitudes!
I think even going with the subsets would be too much - just do HOFers only.
Another thought is why grade? If the joy is set buildings, there's nothing wrong with finding the nicest cards though case searches and putting them in a binder. You have done this already.
As far as future value, I will guarantee that 35 years from now, an 88D box will still be going for $8-10 (in 2006 dollars). It has been nearly 20 years and they are available today at a cost lower than they were when they came out (not to mention inflation). You would there would be some sign of increased demand or price movements but we've seen the opposite. That's your clue.
<< <i>Softy, there is a huge difference between late 70s cards and late 80s card - by an order of several magnitudes!
>>
Agreed, however, there are alot of guys Buc who consider the mid to late seventies JUNK also. Buc, I know of guys on a different message board who consider 1960's cards JUNK. And I mean JUNK. My point is the old saying one mans junk is anothers treasure.
<< <i>That put the total to a little over 240 cards. Does that sound a little more reasonable? >>
No. $1,500 in plastic and labels for perhaps $10 worth of cardboard.
The question I've been asking lately about virtually any graded card is this: How much of this card's "value" is a function of the slab and label, and how much of it is related to the actual cardboard? When that ratio of plastic value to card value gets too high, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. This seems especially true for modern cards where the difference between an 8, 9 or 10 is often negligible.
To use an earlier post as an example, if you were to crack out that '60 Topps Frank Howard and sell it, you'd probably recoup about 50 percent of the original $11.50 expense. If you were to do the same to that '88 Donruss Yount, you'd be left with a card worth about a nickel.
By no means am I virulently anti-modern; I have a couple dozen basically worthless '80s and '90s graded cards in my collection. I also agree that participating in the Registry does add an extra element of enjoyment to collecting. But to spend that kind of money grading that many worthless, hopeless cards is just nuts.
To use an earlier post as an example, if you were to crack out that '60 Topps Frank Howard and sell it, you'd probably recoup about 50 percent of the original $11.50 expense. If you were to do the same to that '88 Donruss Yount, you'd be left with a card worth about a nickel.
By no means am I virulently anti-modern; I have a couple dozen basically worthless '80s and '90s graded cards in my collection. I also agree that participating in the Registry does add an extra element of enjoyment to collecting. But to spend that kind of money grading that many worthless, hopeless cards is just nuts. >>
And the sad thing is, I think you're overestimating how much someone would pay for a 1988 Donruss Robin Yount. Without a plastic case and a label, a 1988 Donruss Robin Yount is WORTHLESS.
I think that everybody realizes that this set is undoubtedly a VERY bad investment and also completely ridiculas to even ponder slabbing, that being said lets turn now to Joe and his feelings about the topic- 1- He does not plan on making a profit nor does he even plan on ever trying to sell these cards, 2- He loves the set, 3- He does not care about the money he will spend, 4 - This will be fun for him. All signs now point to Joe pursuing this for fun and personal satisfaction so there really is no more reason to attempt to go back and forth about the cons of this. Im sure alot of people would say that me dropping a grand gambling is foolish and just plain insane but to me gambling is a huge enjoyment to me therefore I do it, granted there is a 50-50 chance I make a grand as well as oposed to a zero chance to make money on this project but if it is enjoyable to the guy then who can argue with him?
As far as 60's and 70's cards goes I believe there will always be a market especially with the registry and set building looking like it will be around for some time to come.
Joe...if you assembled that set with the HOFers, rookies, superstars, etc in PSA 10, and the rest in PSA 9, and you offered it for sale, I would pay you a couple of thousand dollars for it. I think it would be cool to own!
So, add me to the list of the fiscally irresponsible.
Man Steve I fell bad now b/c he had 3 other Hofer's same set same great shape for about the same price. I dont think he knew what he had and evidently no one else noticed. When i recive this card i'm gonna send it off. It would be so cool if it came back a PSA 6 or 7 when i get it. What condition with the limited picture the action gives would everyone guess this to be? Seller said it was in nice shape and no creases anywhere.
Thanks Joe
PS I'll get back to talking 88 soon. LOL
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If anyone is in L.A. and wants a deal on a case (12000 cards I believe) I"ve got one sitting in my loft, untouched. I don't know what they are going for but I promise I won't be undersold! You just have to pick it up. I"m betting if you made a 300-500 card submission and contacted Joe up front he'd cut you a deal.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
Sorry Steve, I was talking '88 Donruss. The case cost me $500. in '88, I had been out of the hobby 12 years by then and figured any case of cards would double every couple of years. Probably would've been better off with Enron stock. '61 Golden Press were issued in books, and had to be removed from the book to make single cards. As far as '61 GP's, 8's go for 15-30. for the most part, with a few higher. I"m not sure anything below an 8 (with the possible exception of Ruth, Dimag Cobb, and Gehrig) would get you back grading fees. It's a fun little set though, and can be put together pretty inexpensively.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
Ok ALL here is the true Population report of the 88D and what % they grade in each condition. This only includes the base set and no baseball best or inserts.
Thanks Perkdog. Na the wife would kill me then. LOL This set does mean a lot to me, but my favorite looking sets are the 86 donruss, 91 stadium club, and the 1960 topps.
Who knows maybe their next.
Joe
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<< <i>Do I think this is because the poor centering of this set and the Dark Borders. >>
Dark borders will always add some difficulty to getting high grades. But if I remember correctly this year has some really thin card stock which also doesn't help. Plus the popularity is really lacking with this one and that can be seen by the fact that less than 400 cards have been graded by PSA. But this stuff is plentiful so if you want to rip a few cases you could do it for next to nothing and find good raw cards to submit. If I had to pick from that year I would probably go with the Fleer set. Almost 5,000 cards graded so it would probably be a little easier to already find some graded on the Bay. Plus they used better card stock and I prefer the design more then the Donruss.
Scroll down just a little and you'll see 449 ROBERTO ALOMAR cards have been submitted and only 10 of them are 10's.
Or MARK McGWIRE 444 has been submitted and only 12 10's. Then theirs DEVON WHITE 356 of one version and 539 of another
Variant and no tens and only one 9. Then my Favorite card of the whole set #644 TOM GLAVINE 345 submitted and only 10 10's.
And if you look at the bgs report 9737 submitted only 24 9.5's Gem Mint 73 9's Mint.
I don’t know about you guys but looks like a lot has tried to get good grades to me and learned this is a really tuff set in high grade.
Please everyone take time to look closely at the POP reports to see that PSA top total is way off.
Thanks ALL!!! Please keep the posts coming.
Joe
PSA 88 Donruss POP report
BGS 1988 Donruss POP report
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Anyway, there are probably still thousands of tons of this product sitting around unopened. Get yourself a wax case or two and build a terrific raw set that meets your own grading standards instead of the almost random differences between a PSA 9 and PSA 10. Paying even $3 a pop for PSA's opinion on cards like these is absurd.
And I realize there's more to the hobby than resale value, but given the amount of dough we spend on pieces of cardboard bearing pictures of men holding balls or wielding sticks, I personally prefer buying stuff that gives me at least some hope of breaking even should I ever tire of the hobby or need to sell due to extreme circumstances.
<< <i>And I realize there's more to the hobby than resale value, but given the amount of dough we spend on pieces of cardboard bearing pictures of men holding balls or wielding sticks, I personally prefer buying stuff that gives me at least some hope of breaking even should I ever tire of the hobby or need to sell due to extreme circumstances. >>
That is probably one of the smartest things I have heard on these boards.
Stingray
<< <i>Looks like a 10 to me >>
Just a caution here; 10's are very difficult to come by, even in this "modern" set. I would speculate that a 10 would be fairly rare and you would probably end up with nearly as many 8s and 9s. From my experience, this is a difficult set. So you will need to establish your baseline...are 8s good enough?
88 Donruss 10-box wax case - $65
88 Donruss Factory Set case - $55
If you're serious about the set, buying unopened and submitting your own is absolutely the best way to go.
Mike
I total Agree with you, but look at this.
PSA 10 Roger Clememns
I seen about 4 months ago when i was heavy in BGS a BGS 9.5 Tom Glavine go for about $120.
Look at this PSA 9 I'm bidding on and can't seem to stay the top bidder
Ebay PSA Card
I do understand what your saying but it looks like for 10's and 9's you could bust out if a person wanted too.
Just my Opinion though.
Thanks All!!
Joe
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I think it's a pretty simple decision - do you want a PSA10 you bought on eBay for $110 or one you submitted yourself that you're into for less than $7 total?
The unopened product is easy to find. . .you just have to go through it.
Mike
All I know if I get a roger clememns 9 and then get a 10 in my submissions I'll be happy to keep the 9 and sell the 10 to help with the quest of grading this set.
Thanks,
Joe
Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
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Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
Looking for 88 Donruss PSA 9 or Higher
Looking for Sutton's PSA 7 or Higher
<< <i>Mike your Exactly right. Just think how many unopened box's $100 bucks buy's you of the 88's.
All I know if I get a roger clememns 9 and then get a 10 in my submissions I'll be happy to keep the 9 and sell the 10 to help with the quest of grading this set.
Thanks,
Joe >>
I bet there are those who are thinking:
That would be shrewd, Joe, but unfortunately, you would still working on a 1988 Donruss set. What next? the 1886 N167 Old Judge of modern baseball card sets - 1989 Bowman?
For those haters, please stifle yourself!
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
Kidding aside, I wouldn't read too much into that Clemens sale. Collectors, as they often do, misperceived a low population total for a given card in a given grade with genuine rareness. As mcastaldi's posts suggest, those bidders could've bought a wax case, had the thrill of opening, what, 5,400 factory fresh '88 Donruss cards, pulled the nicest Clemens cards, submitted them and very possibly have ended up with a PSA 10 for less than the $115 that one went for.
But again, even grading these yourself is lunacy. We're talking about cards that can be purchased in virtually limitless quantities for under 2 cents each. Would slabbing the cards for even $5 increase your enjoyment of them 25,000 percent?
I really do love this set and have 2 ungraded sets of it. Still working on some of the cards centering, and believe me this set is tuff.
How many of you collect modern day cards???Any fans of this set??? I know now this may not seem like a good investment, but hey if PSA was around in 1988 you said you where going to grade the 84 donruss people would have thought you're Crazy YOU"LL NEVER GET YOUR MONEY BACK. Now I see PSA 10 commons go for $30. You never know 20 years from now what kind of attention this set may bring or even money on the sales of its cards. Plus anyone that’s opened boxes sets or rack packs know that it a tuff set to get GEM Mints. Hence the price for the Clemens.
So I I'm asking all you Collector's what’s the best Approach to building this modern set. How should I Start with this set. Sub sets, Stars???
I plan on in the next few months to continue like I have been and mostly buy Unopened Material. I will however be submitting some and buying some on eBay. So if anyone has some for sell PM me or just post.
Thank you again for your post and the help everyone has given me so far. Keep them coming. BAD OR GOOD IS WELCOME. lol
I feel like this is not just my project but I’m doing it for all us young guys who grew up in the mass production era.
Joe
Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
Looking for 88 Donruss PSA 9 or Higher
Looking for Sutton's PSA 7 or Higher
You make a very valid point, and no disrespect taken. I value your opinion very much even if I don't agree.
Your point does make much sense, but let’s talk hypothetical. Even if I did lose interest 90% I never get rid of my cards unless they bring the big bucks. I do this for the pure enjoyment of busting packs and finding the best. Cool thing is they are cheap and plentiful so I can obtain them. I can't afford to obtain and unopened !957 pack of cards let alone a box. I collect to collect not to leave a pack unopened to make money and not be enjoyed by my inner child.
Sad to say and I'm guilty myself sometimes we take our money and our cards to serious. Lighten up and let’s have some fun ya.
Thanks,
Joe
Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
Looking for 88 Donruss PSA 9 or Higher
Looking for Sutton's PSA 7 or Higher
Set building has always been a thorn in my side as far as the registry goes, I always start out strong and love to watch my GPA and completion % go up as I add new cards to my set, but it never fails..I always get bored and sell to get into my next pipe dream set, lucky for Me I only collect early fifties material where the market seems to stay fairly solid and I ussually get back most of my money but almost always no profit. That being why I figured it would not be a good idea to invest money and time into a 88 Donruss set but your collecting goals are different than mine so I
can appreaciate your thought process on this. Best of luck
<< <i> I collect to collect not to leave a pack unopened to make money and not be enjoyed by my inner child.
Joe >>
I hope your inner child is ready to mow a LOT of lawns, and shovel TONS of snow~
Kidding...good luck
<< be aware of the sharks that will try to make top dollar off you in your pursuit of your goal >>
It's already Started. I use my wifes ebay account look at this bid on a PSA 9 Dale Murphy.
Ebay PSA Card
I'm out on that one. I'll take my money and buy a couple unopend boxs.
Thanks,
Joe
Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
Looking for 88 Donruss PSA 9 or Higher
Looking for Sutton's PSA 7 or Higher
Like others have said before, collect what you want. It's obvious you like 1988 Donruss, but why would you want to slab this set though? If I wanted to put together a high grade "junk wax" set from the late 1980s, I would just purchase a case of the crap on eBay and break it and have fun. Why get PSA involved? To me, it's more like collecting labels than the actual cards itself.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
So for all you vintage collectors here is the reason i like Modren. Just to let you know I wish I had Half as good Collection you guys have.
anyways here goes......................................And Remember this is just my line of thinking.
A Frank Howard RC I purchased b/c I think he's a good ball player. PSA 6 SMR $16 I paid with shipping and everything $11.50
The card is over 45 years old and IMO nice shape.
Now look at this beauty WHO IS A HOFer in psa a 9. Only a little over 17 years old. Total cost $3.79
Now I'm oly 25. lets say I keep this till I'm 55.
That would put this card to about the same age.
What do HOFer's go for in this set at PSA 9. Well 1960 psa 9 commons go for $100+ and HOFer's Range in the thousands.
Sounds like a pretty good return on my money and I had fun doing.
Just wanted to show that this is not a total waste. Who knows maybe it could be in 30 Yrs a psa 9 88 yount goes for $5 but I doubt that.
I have time on my side. hahahahahaha
Thanks all and keep the posts coming.
Joe
Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
Looking for 88 Donruss PSA 9 or Higher
Looking for Sutton's PSA 7 or Higher
Stick with the sub sets.
forget about trying to compare 88 donruss to 1960's baseball.
Steve
Ill keep the goal of sub sets first and see how I feel about doing the whole set.
But if you know anyone that has these 88's graded 8 or better tell'em to PM me.
You can also email me at JMS318@hotmail.com
Joe
Obtw I'm 2nd all time on this set. Not that it takes much to be their. LOL
Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
Looking for 88 Donruss PSA 9 or Higher
Looking for Sutton's PSA 7 or Higher
If you actually think 1988 Donruss will appreciate in value 35 years from now simply because it's been graded by PSA and the card is old, you're going to be in for a rude awakening. Using your logic, I should start hoarding cases of Starpics and Frontrow basketball cards now so I can retire comfortably in 30 years.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
Cards are my hobby I put my money in the real market called the IRA and 401. LOL Who knows my 88 set my go for $20,000 in 2035.
LOL just kidding but you never know.
Thanks for the reply DaBigHurt.
Joe
Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
Looking for 88 Donruss PSA 9 or Higher
Looking for Sutton's PSA 7 or Higher
I like your ambition, but grading that entire set would cost a ton of $. I really like some late 80s Topps sets, but there is no way I am going to send a 1987 Topps Billy Jo Robidoux to get graded. I just bought a bunch of card savers and cheap wax and started putting together PSA 10-quality sets. I stole the idea from board member downgoesfrazier. The sets are far from complete, but what I have is killer stuff. I also find myself getting bored with the sets sometimes. However, since I have about $40 in the whole mess, it is no big deal to leave them in a corner for a couple of months. If you find yourself halfway through the set, and you are still crazy about it, then you can send in a bulk submission. Just spend the time putting it together. That is the fun part anyhow. Don’t be in a big rush to dump a boatload of cash that most likely has no ROI.
There was a thread a year or so ago where DGF was posting some of the raw cards from his sets. They were phenomenal.
Collector of Pittsburgh Pirates cards for a slightly less stupid reason.
My Pirates Collection
Joe
the 88 donruss set may very well be "worth" 20 k in the yr 2035, however did it occur to you that 20k may be "worth" 5k in todays dollars? I am of course assuming the set is in PSA 10 not 8 , 9 and some 10's
That would basically put you in the posistion of breaking even on the grading fees (if that)
with all that has been said I still am convinced that it is a great idea to have the set graded BUT just the subsets.
DK
Rated Rookies
MVP's
and the other few sets that were only produced in jumbo's and different packaging.
somewhere in my basement I have the complete 88 donruss set with all those variations and subsets.
Good luck in your endeavour.
Steve
I think everybody here likes your enthusiasm for the 1988 Donruss set. I sure do. However, it is the grading cost per card in this monster set which will NO DOUBT bring you almost zero return for the dollar spent. Most guys who post here have "value" and "re-sale" very high up on the list of priorities.
I say, if you know that you are going to take a huge bath grading every card in the set with VERY SLIM chances of them ever appreciating, have no problem affording it with expendable income then by all means GO FOR IT. I am sure there are ALOT of young guys like yourself who grew up with these over produced (some very cool designs though) cards who look at them as pieces of youth. We don't hear from them often though because the thought of collecting these cards in a graded registry is beat up from the feet up here.
I received a decent amount of flak early on collecting my 1978 Topps PSA 9 and better set. There are alot of guys who view mid to late 70's cards with the same amount of disdain as your 1988 Donruss set.
Have at it Joe! And don't listen to the noise around you if you are truly ready to never see your monetary investment re-couped
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
Ok Steve here is my Idea since your right for now.
Build the sub sets
DK, MVP, All-star 64 card set, Donruss rookie set, RR, and HOFer's, and Future Hall members such as Clemens, Maddux, Mcgwire, ECT.
How does that sound
26 mvp's
27 dk's including the checklist
64 All-star cards
20 rated rookies
56 Donruss rookies
And about 50 key cards from the main set.
That put the total to a little over 240 cards. Does that sound a little more reasonable?
Oh and does anyone know if they Made a Highlight set in 88.
Thanks,
Joe
Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
Looking for 88 Donruss PSA 9 or Higher
Looking for Sutton's PSA 7 or Higher
I think even going with the subsets would be too much - just do HOFers only.
Another thought is why grade? If the joy is set buildings, there's nothing wrong with finding the nicest cards though case searches and putting them in a binder. You have done this already.
As far as future value, I will guarantee that 35 years from now, an 88D box will still be going for $8-10 (in 2006 dollars). It has been nearly 20 years and they are available today at a cost lower than they were when they came out (not to mention inflation). You would there would be some sign of increased demand or price movements but we've seen the opposite. That's your clue.
<< <i>Softy, there is a huge difference between late 70s cards and late 80s card - by an order of several magnitudes!
>>
Agreed, however, there are alot of guys Buc who consider the mid to late seventies JUNK also. Buc, I know of guys on a different message board who consider 1960's cards JUNK. And I mean JUNK. My point is the old saying one mans junk is anothers treasure.
ISO 1978 Topps Baseball in NM-MT High Grade Raw 3, 100, 103, 302, 347, 376, 416, 466, 481, 487, 509, 534, 540, 554, 579, 580, 622, 642, 673, 724__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ISO 1978 O-Pee-Chee in NM-MT High Grade Raw12, 21, 29, 38, 49, 65, 69, 73, 74, 81, 95, 100, 104, 110, 115, 122, 132, 133, 135, 140, 142, 151, 153, 155, 160, 161, 167, 168, 172, 179, 181, 196, 200, 204, 210, 224, 231, 240
<< <i>That put the total to a little over 240 cards. Does that sound a little more reasonable? >>
No. $1,500 in plastic and labels for perhaps $10 worth of cardboard.
The question I've been asking lately about virtually any graded card is this: How much of this card's "value" is a function of the slab and label, and how much of it is related to the actual cardboard? When that ratio of plastic value to card value gets too high, it just doesn't seem worth it to me. This seems especially true for modern cards where the difference between an 8, 9 or 10 is often negligible.
To use an earlier post as an example, if you were to crack out that '60 Topps Frank Howard and sell it, you'd probably recoup about 50 percent of the original $11.50 expense. If you were to do the same to that '88 Donruss Yount, you'd be left with a card worth about a nickel.
By no means am I virulently anti-modern; I have a couple dozen basically worthless '80s and '90s graded cards in my collection. I also agree that participating in the Registry does add an extra element of enjoyment to collecting. But to spend that kind of money grading that many worthless, hopeless cards is just nuts.
When I mentioned subsets I meant only those sets from within the basic set.
not the rookies, and highlites and opening day etc.
just the sets that one could have gotten from buying packs.
The bottom line here is if you want to do this set for FUN, then by all means DO IT.
If you're intent is that some day you will profit then NO.
Steve
edited to add:
my vision of this set has around 100 cards in it.
since they will be mvp's and rookies etc you should have a nice mix of HOF's and rookie cards in it.
<< <i>
To use an earlier post as an example, if you were to crack out that '60 Topps Frank Howard and sell it, you'd probably recoup about 50 percent of the original $11.50 expense. If you were to do the same to that '88 Donruss Yount, you'd be left with a card worth about a nickel.
By no means am I virulently anti-modern; I have a couple dozen basically worthless '80s and '90s graded cards in my collection. I also agree that participating in the Registry does add an extra element of enjoyment to collecting. But to spend that kind of money grading that many worthless, hopeless cards is just nuts. >>
And the sad thing is, I think you're overestimating how much someone would pay for a 1988 Donruss Robin Yount. Without a plastic case and a label, a 1988 Donruss Robin Yount is WORTHLESS.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
As far as 60's and 70's cards goes I believe there will always be a market especially with the registry and set building looking like it will be around for some time to come.
So, add me to the list of the fiscally irresponsible.
Go for it, and best of luck!
Nick
For all you vintage guys look what i won for $0.99 plus $ shipping on ebay
Ebay Item won
Any ideas on what this bad boy would grade and what it's worth. beckett list it for $8.00.
Joe
Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
Looking for 88 Donruss PSA 9 or Higher
Looking for Sutton's PSA 7 or Higher
I figured you all would be all over this on since it seems a better investment than the 88 set I'm building. LOL
Any thoughts on this card though. I was like wow that’s a neat old card and for $0.99 how could you go wrong.
Thanks for all your help and keep the posts coming.
Joe
Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
Looking for 88 Donruss PSA 9 or Higher
Looking for Sutton's PSA 7 or Higher
WOW you did real well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SD
I dont think he knew what he had and evidently no one else noticed.
When i recive this card i'm gonna send it off. It would be so cool if it came back a PSA 6 or 7 when i get it.
What condition with the limited picture the action gives would everyone guess this to be?
Seller said it was in nice shape and no creases anywhere.
Thanks
Joe
PS I'll get back to talking 88 soon. LOL
Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
Looking for 88 Donruss PSA 9 or Higher
Looking for Sutton's PSA 7 or Higher
I"m betting if you made a 300-500 card submission and contacted Joe up front he'd cut you a deal.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
Steve
'61 Golden Press were issued in books, and had to be removed from the book to make single cards.
As far as '61 GP's, 8's go for 15-30. for the most part, with a few higher. I"m not sure anything below an 8 (with the possible exception of Ruth, Dimag Cobb, and Gehrig) would get you back grading fees. It's a fun little set though, and can be put together pretty inexpensively.
Always looking for Topps Salesman Samples, pre '51 unopened packs, E90-2, E91a, N690 Kalamazoo Bats, and T204 Square Frame Ramly's
This only includes the base set and no baseball best or inserts.
3 to 4 5 6 7 7Q 8 8Q 9 9Q 10 total
5 22 44 442 2 1151 16 880 6 133 2701
0.20% 0.80% 1.60% 16.40% 0.10% 42.60% 0.60% 32.60% 0.20% 4.90%
Thanks,
Joe
Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
Looking for 88 Donruss PSA 9 or Higher
Looking for Sutton's PSA 7 or Higher
If you got a "Man Town" room in your house have you thought of wallpapering a wall with these cards? Or even layering a table top?
You will have PLENTY of these cards to do that with that wont make the "cut" into your set. Im sure you will have a TON of extras.....
This set does mean a lot to me, but my favorite looking sets are the 86 donruss, 91 stadium club, and the 1960 topps.
Who knows maybe their next.
Joe
Don Sutton Basic Set - 3rd All Time
Looking for 88 Donruss PSA 9 or Higher
Looking for Sutton's PSA 7 or Higher
Ken