Mike - Not condoning Adam's behavior...he can speak for himself about that.
Just a perspective though on that Clemente thread which you mentioned. The VBC board had either recently changed moderators or was just about getting ready to (Leon became the owner and moderator) and there was much debate going on about whether or not Post-WW2 card discussion would be allowed on that forum. I for one, since my main area of collecting is Topps 50s and 60s cards, would have liked to have seen that board do this. In fact, Leon had posted that he was considering this possibility. Almost everyone there also collects 50s and 60s cards so it seemed logical to me. Well, to make a long story short, the decision had been made or was clearly going to be made not to have any Post-WW2 card discussion at VBC with occassional "exceptions" allowed but not encouraged. Didn't bother me - I enjoy as much 50s and 60s Topps discussion as I can get, and there are some good collectors over there whose viewpoints and knowledge I believe would have been interesting concerning 50s and 60s cards. But the decision was finally made there to stick to Pre-WW2 and so be it.
Right about that time came the new poster with the Clemente thread and I think the main intent of him getting hammered was the hardcore Pre-WW2 collectors wanting to more or less "mark their territory" on the board and lash out against any Post-WW2 card discussion.
That being said...I'll admit that I also lashed out, not because it was a modern card, but because I don't think memorabilia such as this should be cut up. I also strongly believe that much cut up memorabilia items such as this are prone to fraud anyway. Who's to say if that is really Clemente's shirt or not? I mean really! But that's just my opinion Mike and as you know I clearly respect the views and collecting interests of our fellow card collectors. I was knocking that particular card, not the collector. So you're 100% right - Adam must also respect other people's card collecting interests or his stay here at CU will be very short.
And BTW, I am in agreement on certain types of cards that involve the mutiliation of a piece of history.
I'm one of the few who collect sets from 1910 to the 21st century.
I enjoy discussions on any era. In fact, I wish more stuff was being posted.
I do not have a full appreciation for the point of view at net54 but totally respect their desire to keep the board in its current state.
And finally, a little "debate" about modern vs. vintage comes up here periodically like the solar eclipse and it's always kind of fun to read - makes for good entertainment - especially the words of JoeStalin.
My card collection consists of mainly 1950,-1960's cards. Though, I have a small, but decent collection of ww2 cards/memorabilia. My main collecting interests include Mantle, Maris, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson, and many other H.O.F.ers from this time period. I am currently seeking a PSA1 or PSA2 T-206 Cobb (red. port.). My vast autograph collection remains the same as well. H.O. F.ers (Mantle, Dimaggio, Williams, Ruth, Cobb, Fox, Foxx, Wagner, Maris (not a H.O.F.),Aaron, Mays, Banks, etc. I collect autographs of historical figures, hollywood celebrities,and ALL professional athletes as well. I have over 300+ autographs in my collection.Here's an interesting tidbit. I live in Des Moines, Iowa 18 miles west of Van Meter, Iowa home of H.O.F. Bob Feller. I am a charter member and Volunteer at Mr. Feller's museum, as well. (www.bobfellermuseum.org)I share the same November 3rd birthday, with Feller also.I am a 24 year old single father. I have custody of my two year old daughter, Abby.Abby has the same birthday as baseball H.O.F. Lou Gehrig. What are the collecting interests of other board members' here, if I may ask?
And how are you doing on this fine day, Mrs. Cleaver?
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
There is a vintage "dealer" of cards named Gar Miller. He is a true class act. I know for a fact that he has a 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente rookie card in vg. I believe his asking price is $325.00. As for your other cards listed, Gar could have them, I am not sure.He has a HUGE inventory of cards. (www.baseball-cards.net) email address is Garland4@comcast.net
stown I too have a 55 set. my set ranges in grades from ex to nmnt mnt 8
I have almost all the HOF's graded, save for Irvin. It is a beautiful set. It presents very well in EX/ EX/MNT condition. Centering and toning though can be a problem. but even with some flaws it is a very desirable set.
Kobe say's, I have read that VG cards are not worth the paper they are printed on.
I think i remember that statement as well. I also think the whole Cobb thing is some kind of game for the ego. I know that 2 or 3 members on the vintage board offered the Cobb in the condition stated only to be turned down for one reson or another. But at least i no that all of my "vg" Cobbs and T206's are worthless.
Actually, I do collect vg cards quite extensively. the statement which I made about cards being not worth the paper there printed on was based upon cards in "good", "fair" and "poor" conditions.I just want to set the record and truth straight. Without an arguement or debate.
My personal opinion is that PSA 1's,2's,3's are not even worth the plastic holders they are slabbed in, much less the amount of money these "collectors" spend on them...have you guys have seen what these cards look like.(someone post me some scans of PSA 1,2,3)Would any of the major auction houses/auctions want them in there auctions?
"I will NEVER have a PSA 1, 2, or 3 in my collection. Hell, I do not even like graded cards
<< <i>Actually, I do collect vg cards quite extensively. the statement which I made about cards being not worth the paper there printed on was based upon cards in "good", "fair" and "poor" conditions.I just want to set the record and truth straight. Without an arguement or debate.
Hey PhillyFan.....I think the dark haired one is the lesbian. I saw that particular WWE episode on TV and Torrie (the blonde) didn't really seem to enjoy the kiss. She was much more receptive in my dream later that evening.
Eyebone
"I'm not saying I'm the best manager in the world, but I'm in the top one." Brian Clough
Kobe, I have an exclusive license to post O'Donnell and Estrich pics on this forum. You can expect a nasty letter from my lawyer. As soon as he's released from prison.
"Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well."
<< <i>stown I too have a 55 set. my set ranges in grades from ex to nmnt mnt 8
I have almost all the HOF's graded, save for Irvin. It is a beautiful set. It presents very well in EX/ EX/MNT condition. Centering and toning though can be a problem. but even with some flaws it is a very desirable set.
Good luck on finding the last few that you need.
SD >>
Thanks SD, it's one tough and expensive set to complete. But once it's done, as a COLLECTOR, the accomplishment will be worth way more than what I could get for it
So basically my kid won't be able to go to college, but at least I'll have a set where the three most expensive cards are of a player I despise ~ CDsNuts
BigtimeBowmanFan (a.k.a. Scott Ingold from Net54) I do have an extensive collection of cards in vg condition.In fact, MOST of my vintage cards are in vg condition. Cards that grade Psa 1,2,3, do not translate into a vg condition card. At best fair/poor or good. I stated that from an investment, or major auction standpoint, PSA 1,2,3, were not worth collecting. The only exception probably being a PSA 1 T-206 Wagner. @ Scott Ingold.
<< <i>stown I too have a 55 set. my set ranges in grades from ex to nmnt mnt 8
I have almost all the HOF's graded, save for Irvin. It is a beautiful set. It presents very well in EX/ EX/MNT condition. Centering and toning though can be a problem. but even with some flaws it is a very desirable set.
Good luck on finding the last few that you need.
SD >>
Thanks SD, it's one tough and expensive set to complete. But once it's done, as a COLLECTOR, the accomplishment will be worth way more than what I could get for it >>
stown, and steve...heres one for you guys..
I just picked up this one for my second 1955 topps set today:
<< <i>BigtimeBowmanFan (a.k.a. Scott Ingold from Net54) I do have an extensive collection of cards in vg condition.In fact, MOST of my vintage cards are in vg condition. Cards that grade Psa 1,2,3, do not translate into a vg condition card. At best fair/poor or good. I stated that from an investment, or major auction standpoint, PSA 1,2,3, were not worth collecting. The only exception probably being a PSA 1 T-206 Wagner. @ Scott Ingold.
"Don't Tell Scotty, Scotty doesn't know".
-Eurotrip-
Best Regards,
Adam J. Moraine >>
Lets revisit the PSA grading standards for PSA 1 PSA 2 and PSA 3 (which, suprisingly enough, can be found on this website) shall we. I'll cut and paste them here for your edification:
A PSA VG 3 card reveals some rounding of the corners, though not extreme. Some surface wear will be apparent, along with possible light scuffing or light scratches. Focus may be somewhat off-register and edges may exhibit noticeable wear. Much, but not all, of the card's original gloss will be lost. Borders may be somewhat yellowed and/or discolored. A crease may be visible. Printing defects are possible. Slight stain may show on obverse and wax staining on reverse may be more prominent. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back. GOOD 2: Good.
A PSA Good 2 card's corners show accelerated rounding and surface wear is starting to become obvious. A good card may have scratching, scuffing, light staining, or chipping of enamel on obverse. There may be several creases. Original gloss may be completely absent. Card may show considerable discoloration. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back. PR-FR 1: Poor to Fair.
Poor to Fair A PSA PR-FR 1 card's corners will show extreme wear, possibly affecting framing of picture. Surface of card will show advanced stages of wear, including scuffing, scratching, pitting, chipping and staining. Picture will possibly be quite out-of-register and borders may have become brown and dirty. May have one or more heavy creases. A Poor card may be missing one or more small pieces, have major creasing and extreme discoloration or dirtiness throughout. Card may show noticeable warping. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back.
What in there are you unable to comprehend?
Looking for a Glen Rice Inkredible and Alex Rodriguez cards
Considering the fact, I only own THREE graded cards in my collection, and due to my uninterest in graded cards I have not yet taken the opportunity to view the "PSA garding card standards" portion of this site. By the way, thank-you, for cutting and pasting the definitions for PSA grades 1,2, and 3. You (or I, rather) learn something new everyday........ I guess.
Eye-Jay -- Very nice Roberto! Centering is pretty damn good for a 7, too. Even in NM that is a very expensive card, over $2K in some cases. I don't believe I will upgrade my 7 to 8 ... unless this cool stock I invested in turns a tidy profit. Somebody told me now's THE time to buy Donruss and Fleer stock, so I did!
<< <i>My card collection consists of mainly 1950,-1960's cards. Though, I have a small, but decent collection of ww2 cards/memorabilia. My main collecting interests include Mantle, Maris, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson, and many other H.O.F.ers from this time period. I am currently seeking a PSA1 or PSA2 T-206 Cobb (red. port.). My vast autograph collection remains the same as well. H.O. F.ers (Mantle, Dimaggio, Williams, Ruth, Cobb, Fox, Foxx, Wagner, Maris (not a H.O.F.),Aaron, Mays, Banks, etc. I collect autographs of historical figures, hollywood celebrities,and ALL professional athletes as well. I have over 300+ autographs in my collection.Here's an interesting tidbit. I live in Des Moines, Iowa 18 miles west of Van Meter, Iowa home of H.O.F. Bob Feller. I am a charter member and Volunteer at Mr. Feller's museum, as well. (www.bobfellermuseum.org)I share the same November 3rd birthday, with Feller also.I am a 24 year old single father. I have custody of my two year old daughter, Abby.Abby has the same birthday as baseball H.O.F. Lou Gehrig. What are the collecting interests of other board members' here, if I may ask? >>
Your collection sounds very impressive, especially for a 24-year-old single father. At that age, I think I was collecting redeemable bottles and cans to buy gas for my car, and I didn't even have a kid to feed. My cards were crap, because I didn't protect them when I was younger.
Anyway, with such a vast holding of valuable cards and autos (I assume you mean authenticated), will you be joining any of our registries so others can view your treasures? My graded collections are in my sig line. You can check out my various addictions any time in the registry, most cards have scans.
So your an investor who has collected since age 8 yet you do not believe in grading ? How do you plan on selling your stuff at these big auctions. As someone who is in it only for the $ and not the love than i recomend learning about grading standereds. Without it your collection will not bring very much. If these low grade cards do not bring very much from an investment standpoint than how do you explain all of the $'s that the psa 3 Magie is bringing in the Maestro auction right now ? I'm sorry but i do not like being told my collection is not worth the plastic it is in by someone who no's not of which he speaks. Especially by someone who is so hypocritical and only makes statements to inflame others. Another example :
"My personal opinion is that PSA 1's,2's,3's are not even worth the plastic holders they are slabbed in, much less the amount of money these "collectors" spend on them...have you guys have seen what these cards look like.(someone post me some scans of PSA 1,2,3)Would any of the major auction houses/auctions want them in there auctions?
"I will NEVER have a PSA 1, 2, or 3 in my collection. Hell, I do not even like graded cards anyway."
THAN THIS POST IN THE BUYING FORUM :
"T-206 COBB (RED.PORT) PSA 2 OR SGC 20. BEST REGARDS, ADAM J. MORAINE P.S. THOSE ATTENDING THE NATIONAL, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, KEEP ME IN MIND, IF YOU SHOULD COME ACROSS ONE."
AND THIS ONE :
"PLEASE guys, for the love of God and collecting keep an eye out for a T-206 (RED PORT.) Cobb. (FOR MY SAKE!) a PSA 2 or SCG 20 will do just fine. so will a creaseless/no paper loss PSA 1."
Alright, I might be of the lone opinion, but since I do not know you and only read what others have said about you or posted what you have written (which I did not read from the other board directly) I will hold my right to judgement until later.
<< <i>Eye-Jay -- Very nice Roberto! Centering is pretty damn good for a 7, too. Even in NM that is a very expensive card, over $2K in some cases. I don't believe I will upgrade my 7 to 8 ... unless this cool stock I invested in turns a tidy profit. Somebody told me now's THE time to buy Donruss and Fleer stock, so I did! >>
Jr, I am not one to tout any stock, If I were you...try the etopps way. You can buy and sell cards real fast for a profit....with your vast knowledge I bet you could upgrade in no time....
Eye-Jay, I confess I am baffled by this eTopps thing. You buy an eTopps card, which is not a real card that you can look at and hold, but an imaginary card that exists only in some database? So how much is an eTopps 1952 Mantle in NM condition? Can I pay for it with imaginary money?
Adam J. Moraine, there is a T206 Cobb red portrait PSA 2 in Wayne Varner's latest catalog. I think he wants $975 for it. Personally, if I had the kind of collection and disposable income that you have, I would set my sights higher ... say PSA 4 or 5.
JR, Etopps are real cards and they look great in hand! This is a common misconception. The card are held by Topps until you request delivery. This way they can be traded easier online with no shipping involved etc. Do yourself a favor and do an ebay search for etopps and click the sport on the left hand side baseball, football etc and look at pics of the actual cards. They are all encased and uncirculated. Very nice cards I spent alot of time there and love the cards but vintage always has my heart. But for modern cards besides heritage I go to etopps.
Collecting Minnie Minoso Master and Basic 1967 Topps PSA 8+ 1960's Topps run Mega Set "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
If you would like PM me your address and I will send a cheap in hand out to you so you can get a better idea of what they are.
Collecting Minnie Minoso Master and Basic 1967 Topps PSA 8+ 1960's Topps run Mega Set "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
Collecting Minnie Minoso Master and Basic 1967 Topps PSA 8+ 1960's Topps run Mega Set "For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
Thanks for explaining it, Jeff. I'm not into modern at all, except for a very narrow focus (Bench autos numbered 10 or less), so I don't think eTopps is for me. But I'm always glad to learn about new aspects of the hobby.
You know, the erroneous way I described it, that doesn't sound so far-fetched in this day and age. Hmmm, think there's any money in such an enterprise? "JR's Virtual Vintage Cards -- Pretend You Own The Best, For Pennies On The Dollar!"
You make very interesting and vaild points. Perhaps I will take a step back and look further into graded cards. Especially as apart of an expansion of my collection. As far as the Magie (error) in a PSA3 I guess I would chailk that up to supply and demand and/or desirability. It's an AWESOME card though no matter the condition. I have the Magee T-206 (port.) in my collection, as well. Too bad it's the one with the CORRECTED spelling of M-A-G-E-E.
<< <i>Thanks for explaining it, Jeff. I'm not into modern at all, except for a very narrow focus (Bench autos numbered 10 or less), so I don't think eTopps is for me. But I'm always glad to learn about new aspects of the hobby.
You know, the erroneous way I described it, that doesn't sound so far-fetched in this day and age. Hmmm, think there's any money in such an enterprise? "JR's Virtual Vintage Cards -- Pretend You Own The Best, For Pennies On The Dollar!" >>
Actually, this all started becuse I wanted to help JR make some extra cash. (I guess I thought it would be easier than raking the neighbors leaves), anyway, I have heard of etopps, must admit never tried it.
Eye-Jay, you CAN help me raise cash. You know that 33 Goudey Ruth you've been looking for? I've got a very nice e-Ruth #53 in PSA 6. I'll e-mail you a nice scan you can look at whenever you want. Only $19.99 at JR's Virtual Vintage Cards. Upgrade to PSA 7 for only $5 more!
I bought a couple of E-Topps before, but they were from someone who had them in hand. What does Topps charge to have them sent to you, like $5 or so? I still have an E-Topps Ichiro, his first one. What do you think about when people bust them out and get them graded. Is it really worth it?
<< <i>I bought a couple of E-Topps before, but they were from someone who had them in hand. What does Topps charge to have them sent to you, like $5 or so? I still have an E-Topps Ichiro, his first one. What do you think about when people bust them out and get them graded. Is it really worth it?
Stingray >>
i have an eTopps rickey henderson card i bought on ebay.. it's pretty cool looking, too..
<< <i>Eye-Jay, you CAN help me raise cash. You know that 33 Goudey Ruth you've been looking for? I've got a very nice e-Ruth #53 in PSA 6. I'll e-mail you a nice scan you can look at whenever you want. Only $19.99 at JR's Virtual Vintage Cards. Upgrade to PSA 7 for only $5 more! >>
actually send me a scan, I'd love to buy it.....do you take paypal at "JR's Virtual Vintage Cards"? JVVC for now on, saves typing time. maybe I can sell it 10 minutes later for a huge profit and buy a worthless psa 3 t-206 cobb
Comments
Just a perspective though on that Clemente thread which you mentioned. The VBC board had either recently changed moderators or was just about getting ready to (Leon became the owner and moderator) and there was much debate going on about whether or not Post-WW2 card discussion would be allowed on that forum. I for one, since my main area of collecting is Topps 50s and 60s cards, would have liked to have seen that board do this. In fact, Leon had posted that he was considering this possibility. Almost everyone there also collects 50s and 60s cards so it seemed logical to me. Well, to make a long story short, the decision had been made or was clearly going to be made not to have any Post-WW2 card discussion at VBC with occassional "exceptions" allowed but not encouraged. Didn't bother me - I enjoy as much 50s and 60s Topps discussion as I can get, and there are some good collectors over there whose viewpoints and knowledge I believe would have been interesting concerning 50s and 60s cards. But the decision was finally made there to stick to Pre-WW2 and so be it.
Right about that time came the new poster with the Clemente thread and I think the main intent of him getting hammered was the hardcore Pre-WW2 collectors wanting to more or less "mark their territory" on the board and lash out against any Post-WW2 card discussion.
That being said...I'll admit that I also lashed out, not because it was a modern card, but because I don't think memorabilia such as this should be cut up. I also strongly believe that much cut up memorabilia items such as this are prone to fraud anyway. Who's to say if that is really Clemente's shirt or not? I mean really! But that's just my opinion Mike and as you know I clearly respect the views and collecting interests of our fellow card collectors. I was knocking that particular card, not the collector. So you're 100% right - Adam must also respect other people's card collecting interests or his stay here at CU will be very short.
Steve
Good words.
And BTW, I am in agreement on certain types of cards that involve the mutiliation of a piece of history.
I'm one of the few who collect sets from 1910 to the 21st century.
I enjoy discussions on any era. In fact, I wish more stuff was being posted.
I do not have a full appreciation for the point of view at net54 but totally respect their desire to keep the board in its current state.
And finally, a little "debate" about modern vs. vintage comes up here periodically like the solar eclipse and it's always kind of fun to read - makes for good entertainment - especially the words of JoeStalin.
mike
My card collection consists of mainly 1950,-1960's cards. Though, I have a small, but decent collection of ww2 cards/memorabilia. My main collecting interests include Mantle, Maris, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson, and many other H.O.F.ers from this time period. I am currently seeking a PSA1 or PSA2 T-206 Cobb (red. port.). My vast autograph collection remains the same as well. H.O. F.ers (Mantle, Dimaggio, Williams, Ruth, Cobb, Fox, Foxx, Wagner, Maris (not a H.O.F.),Aaron, Mays, Banks, etc. I collect autographs of historical figures, hollywood celebrities,and ALL professional athletes as well. I have over 300+ autographs in my collection.Here's an interesting tidbit. I live in Des Moines, Iowa 18 miles west of Van Meter, Iowa home of H.O.F. Bob Feller. I am a charter member and Volunteer at Mr. Feller's museum, as well. (www.bobfellermuseum.org)I share the same November 3rd birthday, with Feller also.I am a 24 year old single father. I have custody of my two year old daughter, Abby.Abby has the same birthday as baseball H.O.F. Lou Gehrig. What are the collecting interests of other board members' here, if I may ask?
Best Regards,
Adam j. Moraine
T206's are always being bought.
aloof1003@comcast.net
There is a vintage "dealer" of cards named Gar Miller. He is a true class act. I know for a fact that he has a 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente rookie card in vg. I believe his asking price is $325.00. As for your other cards listed, Gar could have them, I am not sure.He has a HUGE inventory of cards. (www.baseball-cards.net) email address is Garland4@comcast.net
Best regards,
Adam J. Moraine
moneyman11380@mchsi.com
kuntrytool, you are a fool... nice detective work Sherlock.
LMAO
Now let's all just let this thread die a quick, painless death.
P.S. The Sayers is sweet...;D
I have almost all the HOF's graded, save for Irvin. It is a beautiful set. It presents very well in EX/ EX/MNT condition. Centering and toning though can be a problem. but even with some flaws it is a very desirable set.
Good luck on finding the last few that you need.
SD
I have read that VG cards are not worth the paper they are printed on.
I think i remember that statement as well. I also think the whole Cobb thing is some kind of game for the ego. I know that 2 or 3 members on the vintage board offered the Cobb in the condition stated only to be turned down for one reson or another. But at least i no that all of my "vg" Cobbs and T206's are worthless.
T206's are always being bought.
aloof1003@comcast.net
Ghhahhlnghhahhln...Worthless 1's and 2's.
T206's are always being bought.
aloof1003@comcast.net
Best Regards,
Adam J. Moraine
I'm still trying to figure out which one is the lesbian.
Go finger...errr figure.
I think the brunette is the lesbian. The blonde looks surprised and somewhat taken aback.
"I will NEVER have a PSA 1, 2, or 3 in my collection. Hell, I do not even like graded cards
Adam J. Moraine
Uh which is it ?
T206's are always being bought.
aloof1003@comcast.net
<< <i>Actually, I do collect vg cards quite extensively. the statement which I made about cards being not worth the paper there printed on was based upon cards in "good", "fair" and "poor" conditions.I just want to set the record and truth straight. Without an arguement or debate.
Best Regards,
Adam J. Moraine >>
Adam is full of
In the immortal words of Frank Zappa "Wrist watch...Crisco."
<< <i>
Next we will here all of the other contridictions.
Tool.
T206's are always being bought.
aloof1003@comcast.net
<< <i>I've heard that both Julia Roberts and Sandra Bullock are thespians. >>
Lipstick thespians.
Eyebone
<< <i>stown I too have a 55 set. my set ranges in grades from ex to nmnt mnt 8
I have almost all the HOF's graded, save for Irvin. It is a beautiful set. It presents very well in EX/ EX/MNT condition. Centering and toning though can be a problem. but even with some flaws it is a very desirable set.
Good luck on finding the last few that you need.
SD >>
Thanks SD, it's one tough and expensive set to complete. But once it's done, as a COLLECTOR, the accomplishment will be worth way more than what I could get for it
"Don't Tell Scotty, Scotty doesn't know".
-Eurotrip-
Best Regards,
Adam J. Moraine
<< <i>
<< <i>stown I too have a 55 set. my set ranges in grades from ex to nmnt mnt 8
I have almost all the HOF's graded, save for Irvin. It is a beautiful set. It presents very well in EX/ EX/MNT condition. Centering and toning though can be a problem. but even with some flaws it is a very desirable set.
Good luck on finding the last few that you need.
SD >>
Thanks SD, it's one tough and expensive set to complete. But once it's done, as a COLLECTOR, the accomplishment will be worth way more than what I could get for it
stown, and steve...heres one for you guys..
I just picked up this one for my second 1955 topps set today:
Link To Scanned 1952 Topps Cards Set is now 90% Complete Plus Slideshows of the 52 Set
SD
<< <i>BigtimeBowmanFan (a.k.a. Scott Ingold from Net54) I do have an extensive collection of cards in vg condition.In fact, MOST of my vintage cards are in vg condition. Cards that grade Psa 1,2,3, do not translate into a vg condition card. At best fair/poor or good. I stated that from an investment, or major auction standpoint, PSA 1,2,3, were not worth collecting. The only exception probably being a PSA 1 T-206 Wagner.
"Don't Tell Scotty, Scotty doesn't know".
-Eurotrip-
Best Regards,
Adam J. Moraine >>
Lets revisit the PSA grading standards for PSA 1 PSA 2 and PSA 3 (which, suprisingly enough, can be found on this website) shall we. I'll cut and paste them here for your edification:
PSA Grading Standards
VG 3: Very Good.
A PSA VG 3 card reveals some rounding of the corners, though not extreme. Some surface wear will be apparent, along with possible light scuffing or light scratches. Focus may be somewhat off-register and edges may exhibit noticeable wear. Much, but not all, of the card's original gloss will be lost. Borders may be somewhat yellowed and/or discolored. A crease may be visible. Printing defects are possible. Slight stain may show on obverse and wax staining on reverse may be more prominent. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back.
GOOD 2: Good.
A PSA Good 2 card's corners show accelerated rounding and surface wear is starting to become obvious. A good card may have scratching, scuffing, light staining, or chipping of enamel on obverse. There may be several creases. Original gloss may be completely absent. Card may show considerable discoloration. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back.
PR-FR 1: Poor to Fair.
Poor to Fair A PSA PR-FR 1 card's corners will show extreme wear, possibly affecting framing of picture. Surface of card will show advanced stages of wear, including scuffing, scratching, pitting, chipping and staining. Picture will possibly be quite out-of-register and borders may have become brown and dirty. May have one or more heavy creases. A Poor card may be missing one or more small pieces, have major creasing and extreme discoloration or dirtiness throughout. Card may show noticeable warping. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back.
What in there are you unable to comprehend?
Considering the fact, I only own THREE graded cards in my collection, and due to my uninterest in graded cards I have not yet taken the opportunity to view the "PSA garding card standards" portion of this site. By the way, thank-you, for cutting and pasting the definitions for PSA grades 1,2, and 3. You (or I, rather) learn something new everyday........ I guess.
Best Regards,
Adam J. Moraine
<< <i>My card collection consists of mainly 1950,-1960's cards. Though, I have a small, but decent collection of ww2 cards/memorabilia. My main collecting interests include Mantle, Maris, Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson, and many other H.O.F.ers from this time period. I am currently seeking a PSA1 or PSA2 T-206 Cobb (red. port.). My vast autograph collection remains the same as well. H.O. F.ers (Mantle, Dimaggio, Williams, Ruth, Cobb, Fox, Foxx, Wagner, Maris (not a H.O.F.),Aaron, Mays, Banks, etc. I collect autographs of historical figures, hollywood celebrities,and ALL professional athletes as well. I have over 300+ autographs in my collection.Here's an interesting tidbit. I live in Des Moines, Iowa 18 miles west of Van Meter, Iowa home of H.O.F. Bob Feller. I am a charter member and Volunteer at Mr. Feller's museum, as well. (www.bobfellermuseum.org)I share the same November 3rd birthday, with Feller also.I am a 24 year old single father. I have custody of my two year old daughter, Abby.Abby has the same birthday as baseball H.O.F. Lou Gehrig. What are the collecting interests of other board members' here, if I may ask? >>
Your collection sounds very impressive, especially for a 24-year-old single father. At that age, I think I was collecting redeemable bottles and cans to buy gas for my car, and I didn't even have a kid to feed. My cards were crap, because I didn't protect them when I was younger.
Anyway, with such a vast holding of valuable cards and autos (I assume you mean authenticated), will you be joining any of our registries so others can view your treasures? My graded collections are in my sig line. You can check out my various addictions any time in the registry, most cards have scans.
So your an investor who has collected since age 8 yet you do not believe in grading ? How do you plan on selling your stuff at these big auctions. As someone who is in it only for the $ and not the love than i recomend learning about grading standereds. Without it your collection will not bring very much. If these low grade cards do not bring very much from an investment standpoint than how do you explain all of the $'s that the psa 3 Magie is bringing in the Maestro auction right now ? I'm sorry but i do not like being told my collection is not worth the plastic it is in by someone who no's not of which he speaks. Especially by someone who is so hypocritical and only makes statements to inflame others. Another example :
"My personal opinion is that PSA 1's,2's,3's are not even worth the plastic holders they are slabbed in, much less the amount of money these "collectors" spend on them...have you guys have seen what these cards look like.(someone post me some scans of PSA 1,2,3)Would any of the major auction houses/auctions want them in there auctions?
"I will NEVER have a PSA 1, 2, or 3 in my collection. Hell, I do not even like graded cards anyway."
THAN THIS POST IN THE BUYING FORUM :
"T-206 COBB (RED.PORT) PSA 2 OR SGC 20. BEST REGARDS, ADAM J. MORAINE P.S. THOSE ATTENDING THE NATIONAL, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, KEEP ME IN MIND, IF YOU SHOULD COME ACROSS ONE."
AND THIS ONE :
"PLEASE guys, for the love of God and collecting keep an eye out for a T-206 (RED PORT.) Cobb. (FOR MY SAKE!) a PSA 2 or SCG 20 will do just fine. so will a creaseless/no paper loss PSA 1."
Well which is it ?
T206's are always being bought.
aloof1003@comcast.net
Alright, I might be of the lone opinion, but since I do not know you and only read what others have said about you or posted what you have written (which I did not read from the other board directly) I will hold my right to judgement until later.
Stingray
<< <i>Eye-Jay -- Very nice Roberto! Centering is pretty damn good for a 7, too. Even in NM that is a very expensive card, over $2K in some cases. I don't believe I will upgrade my 7 to 8 ... unless this cool stock I invested in turns a tidy profit. Somebody told me now's THE time to buy Donruss and Fleer stock, so I did!
Jr,
I am not one to tout any stock, If I were you...try the etopps way. You can buy and sell cards real fast for a profit....with your vast knowledge I bet you could upgrade in no time....
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Adam J. Moraine, there is a T206 Cobb red portrait PSA 2 in Wayne Varner's latest catalog. I think he wants $975 for it. Personally, if I had the kind of collection and disposable income that you have, I would set my sights higher ... say PSA 4 or 5.
Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
1967 Topps PSA 8+
1960's Topps run Mega Set
"For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
1967 Topps PSA 8+
1960's Topps run Mega Set
"For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
This should be on your want list
Minnie Minoso Master and Basic
1967 Topps PSA 8+
1960's Topps run Mega Set
"For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
You know, the erroneous way I described it, that doesn't sound so far-fetched in this day and age. Hmmm, think there's any money in such an enterprise? "JR's Virtual Vintage Cards -- Pretend You Own The Best, For Pennies On The Dollar!"
You make very interesting and vaild points. Perhaps I will take a step back and look further into graded cards. Especially as apart of an expansion of my collection. As far as the Magie (error) in a PSA3 I guess I would chailk that up to supply and demand and/or desirability. It's an AWESOME card though no matter the condition. I have the Magee T-206 (port.) in my collection, as well. Too bad it's the one with the CORRECTED spelling of M-A-G-E-E.
Best Regards, Scott
Adam J. Moraine
<< <i>Thanks for explaining it, Jeff. I'm not into modern at all, except for a very narrow focus (Bench autos numbered 10 or less), so I don't think eTopps is for me. But I'm always glad to learn about new aspects of the hobby.
You know, the erroneous way I described it, that doesn't sound so far-fetched in this day and age. Hmmm, think there's any money in such an enterprise? "JR's Virtual Vintage Cards -- Pretend You Own The Best, For Pennies On The Dollar!" >>
Actually, this all started becuse I wanted to help JR make some extra cash. (I guess I thought it would be easier than raking the neighbors leaves), anyway, I have heard of etopps, must admit never tried it.
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Stingray
<< <i>I bought a couple of E-Topps before, but they were from someone who had them in hand. What does Topps charge to have them sent to you, like $5 or so? I still have an E-Topps Ichiro, his first one. What do you think about when people bust them out and get them graded. Is it really worth it?
Stingray >>
i have an eTopps rickey henderson card i bought on ebay.. it's pretty cool looking, too..
<< <i>Eye-Jay, you CAN help me raise cash. You know that 33 Goudey Ruth you've been looking for? I've got a very nice e-Ruth #53 in PSA 6. I'll e-mail you a nice scan you can look at whenever you want. Only $19.99 at JR's Virtual Vintage Cards. Upgrade to PSA 7 for only $5 more! >>
actually send me a scan, I'd love to buy it.....do you take paypal at "JR's Virtual Vintage Cards"? JVVC for now on, saves typing time. maybe I can sell it 10 minutes later for a huge profit and buy a worthless psa 3 t-206 cobb
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Adam -
How about some scans of your cards. Some raw and one or two of the graded you have.
SD
<< <i>JR to learn more about e-topps PM kevin (joe stalin) he can fill you in too.
SD >>
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