Lookie What I Found On The ICG Website!!!!!
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Our own Cameron Kiefer!!! Handsome catch for smoe lucky Lady!!! 
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Bwaaaaaahhhhhhaaaaa ----- So how badly do you want that MS70!!!!!!
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Press Release
May 11, 2005
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ICG Adds Another Grader to
Its Grading Team
Cameron Kiefer, former YN of the Year & ANA Intern, joins ICG
On April 7, 2005, ICG—Independent Coin Grading of Englewood, Colorado—added Cameron Kiefer to its award-winning team of professional coin graders. Cameron is from Visalia, California and has been a coin collector since he was 11 years old. Additionally, he was a coin dealer for 7 years before joining ICG.
Cameron is a former Young Numismatist (YN) of the Year, the American Numismatic Association’s (ANA) highest award, given annually to the most outstanding numismatist 21 years of age, or younger. Past YNs of the Year include many of the hobby’s most distinguished researchers, catalogers, dealers and collectors.
Cameron was active in his local coin club for many years, having served in a number of positions, including Secretary, Vice-President and Editor of several publications. He also won an ANA internship, working in the ANA Money Museum, Library and Education Department. He has attended five ANA Summer Seminars as a student where he quickly gained the attention of his instructors for his discerning eye, attention to detail and ability to grade accurately and consistently.
During the 2005 ANA Summer Seminar he will be teaching Coin Grading with Don Bonser and Detection of Counterfeit and Altered Coins with J.P. Martin. Gail Baker, ANA’s Education Director, said of Cameron, “I’m thrilled that Cameron has agreed to teach both classes at the upcoming Summer Seminar. Besides being a terrific grader and authenticator, I know he’ll be a great teacher. He has the knowledge that few have and the ability to pass that knowledge on to his students. The students are going to love him.”
Keith Love, ICG’s Senior Grader, said of Cameron, “ICG is truly fortunate to have been able to add Cameron to our grading team. I know other grading services were considering him before we jumped in and got him.”
Cameron becomes ICG’s sixth grader, joining Love, J.P. Martin, Walt Armitage, Larry Wilson and Sue Berg. James Taylor, ICG’s President, said, “ICG has the most respected grading team in the industry. With classes, training videos and correspondence courses featuring ICG graders, no other grading team comes even remotely close to having taught coin grading and counterfeit detection to as many people as the ICG team. I’m glad that Cameron is immediately contributing to ICG’s commitment to education.”
next stop PCGS?????
<< <i>Attsa ma bawyee!
My sentiment exactly!!!
<< <i>No offense, but seriously, how old is Cameron? And how many years does he have experience in grading? I'm sorry guys, I just can't get excited about this. Companies offering grading services should use graders with many years experience in the industry. >>
Move over Pops!! Maybe some keener eyes wouldnt hurt ANY grading company.
If I only had a dollar for every VAM I have...err...nevermind...I do!!
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Geez. Wake up & smell the grits
Congratulations, Cameron!
Nevermind the imature posters....they come from people who don't have the balls to do what you are doing for a living.
<< <i>He looks quite normal in that first pic. >>
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Congratulations, Cameron!
Hey Eric, maybe you're not getting offers because you're only accurate on Morgans?
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Congrats on you upward move.
Now, how in the hell is my sample slab collection going to grow, huh ????
Herb
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Bridget
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(My beautiful children!!)
I wish you the very best of success.
As to K6AZ comments, I share his concerns. It only makes sense to me that Cammie would be part of a "team" for some time judging his grading to ensure that it is up to ICG's standards before his opinion was given any weight and I would further assume that it would take many years of proven performance before Cammie would be allowed to have a major impact on or finalize any grades.
Joe.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>Cammie was hired as an intern and not as a finalizer! Cut him and ICG some slack. >>
I was hired as a grader. I am not a finalizer so there shouldn't be any worries. I was an intern at the ANA a few years back.
Cameron Kiefer
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Come on.....he's older than that.
Seriously, congratulations. I wish people still picked on me because I was young.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
Cameron and J.P hanging out in the grading room...
I agree that some concern should be issued as to his experience. I understand he is in the perfect place to get that experience. Exactly as Joe said, his work should be reviewed for some period of time to be sure it meets with ICG's standards. I'm not sure exactly what the positions job description is, but I'm not sure "finalizer" is the only step necessary at checking his work.
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<< <i>He looks quite normal in that first pic. >>
What are you people looking at? Oh he's a great guy it sounds like, and really, congratulations to him, but he looks quite geeky. (Since we're commenting on his stellar good looks).
<< <i>Congrats Cammy.
I agree that some concern should be issued as to his experience. I understand he is in the perfect place to get that experience. Exactly as Joe said, his work should be reviewed for some period of time to be sure it meets with ICG's standards. I'm not sure exactly what the positions job description is, but I'm not sure "finalizer" is the only step necessary at checking his work. >>
Would it have been any different if he was hired by NGC or PCGS? For ANY grader for that matter, no matter how much their experience? Honestly, a lot of you that are questioning him, I don't have a complete grasp at his actual experience in the numismatic world... how many of you have met him in person, seen his grading in action?
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Maybe someday you can go help PCGS get squared away
All kidding aside.....WAY TO GO!!!
RJ
These questions are most assuredly NOT an attack on Cammie who deserves all the congratulations and best of luck we can give him. He has certainly worked his way to getting this opportunity.
I think it would help all of us to understand or know just how and/or when and where TPG graders are trained or how the TPG "knows" that the graders it has can grade to the standards that the TPG expects. How much does experience count or is there some "untraining" that takes place in order to meet the TPG's standards?
Again, I wish Cammie the very best of success. He is now in a relatively unique position in regards to almost all the posters to this board to give us insight to the workings of a TPG that were only previously guessed at.
Congrats Cammie!!!
Joe.
Have they let you grade any Peace dollars yet?
-Hayden
I think the young man has a very bright future ahead of him in a career he loves.
I'm happy for him.
However, I am concerned about a company launching someone so young into the grading room. If they were to take on someone that age as an trainee under a top notch grader like JP Martin, that would be great. But the way I saw it, he was hired directly into the grading room.
As far as my experience, I would never cut it as a grader for any service. You all know what I specialize in. I'm good in a few other series, but I certainly couldn't grade several series if my life depended on it.
And for George, I've donated hundreds of hours of my time with two clubs I belonged to doing just what you described.
I've received a couple of PMs mentioning "sour grapes". Nothing could be further from the truth. In the last couple of years I have turned down three very lucrative offers for employment. I'm happy here and will not relocate.
<< <i>Well said Joe. My comments were not an attack on Cameron. I like Cameron, and I think when he gets older will be a top numismatist.
However, I am concerned about a company launching someone so young into the grading room. If they were to take on someone that age as an trainee under a top notch grader like JP Martin, that would be great. But the way I saw it, he was hired directly into the grading room.
As far as my experience, I would never cut it as a grader for any service. You all know what I specialize in. I'm good in a few other series, but I certainly couldn't grade several series if my life depended on it.
And for George, I've donated hundreds of hours of my time with two clubs I belonged to doing just what you described.
I've received a couple of PMs mentioning "sour grapes". Nothing could be further from the truth. In the last couple of years I have turned down three very lucrative offers for employment. I'm happy here and will not relocate. >>
Steve
<< <i>I think it would help all of us to understand or know just how and/or when and where TPG graders are trained or how the TPG "knows" that the graders it has can grade to the standards that the TPG expects. >>
In this case, Cammie spent an entire week there grading coins before they decided to hire him. I'd say that's a pretty damned thorough test.
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>Cameron does not work in a vacuum at ICG. There are at least 2 other graders backing up what his opinion is on a coin. If he's wrong, they won't hesitate to point it out. His grading skills were quite eye-openingly accurate (as I understand it) at the ANA and he raised more than a few eyebrows...not just at ICG mind you. >>
I'd like to steer this away from Cameron and speak in general. Again, I think the way ICG announced this was a mistake. A lot of people have talked about it privately in regards to a grading company hiring someone in their early 20s. It's not viewed as a good thing by many. I figured I would take some heat on this, and so be it, it's important in my opinion. We are all aware of ICG's reputation, and I think a lot of people don't really care about this because serious money coins are not bought sight unseen in ICG holders.
Let me put this another way. What would be the opinion if PCGS were to announce they just hired a 22 year old that we don't know? Would any of you be concerned?