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EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Seems like a big jump..in the wrong direction. (down $10 mid-day) This is a great time to load up (imho) if you catch this dip.
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  • I didn't know there was such a thing. image
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  • SmittysSmittys Posts: 9,876 ✭✭✭✭✭
    down 8.60
    less than 10.00 on over 400.00 not that much,
    you have to have a lot of money to make much.
    Just my thought.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    Load up on gold at ~$435 an ounce? image
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Actually, it's still time to sell for me. Of course, I have only .4 oz of gold. But a friend is giving me about 3.5 ounces of generic bullion commemorative gold to sell soon for him. By the time I'm done, about 10-15 oz. of gold will be back on the market that hasn't seen the light of day since 1983 or 1984.
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is my experience that people who try to time volatile markets generally get um pontapé na bunda.
    "Vou invadir o Nordeste,
    "Seu cabra da peste,
    "Sou Mangueira......."
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295


    << <i>It is my experience that people who try to time volatile markets generally get um pontapé na bunda. >>



    Is the translation of that something like getting the shaft up the rear? image
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,523 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes; consider it your first lesson in Brasilian Portuguese!
    "Vou invadir o Nordeste,
    "Seu cabra da peste,
    "Sou Mangueira......."
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Load up on gold at ~$435 an ounce?

    Let's wager a $20 saint on which comes first, $410 gold or $460 gold. I'm game.

    roadrunner




    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • dthigpendthigpen Posts: 3,932 ✭✭


    << <i>Load up on gold at ~$435 an ounce?

    Let's wager a $20 saint on which comes first, $410 gold or $460 gold. I'm game.

    roadrunner >>



    Okay, deal, I'll take $460 gold.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's just a matter of how many bets K6AZ will take on the high side as he takes the $410 side. Count me in on the $460 side.image

    This is about as easy as it was when the majority was talking $300 gold occurring before $400 when gold was in the mid $300's following's its first steep decline.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    I don't gamble. But I'll tell you this much, to buy gold at this price after it has nearly doubled in price is not a wise move. I've bookmarked this thread to bring it back when gold takes the inevitable fall below $400.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gold could indeed fall to below $400 again....even possibly after going to $525-650 FIRST. Recall that in the bull run of the mid-1970's gold ran from $35 to $200 and then "crashed" to $100. Within a few years it reversed strongly and hit $850.

    Gold won't fall below $400 until it takes out some major markers at
    $500 and higher. There are just too many problems in the current economy for gold to do anything but rise in the long term. No doubt in 5-10 years or even 20 years gold will likely end up under $400 once again after setting new records. If you plan on holding gold for 20 years (like many sheep will do with stock funds or index funds) then you deserve to lose your shirt. This forum won't be around in 10-20 years to send your message of gold < $400 to all of us. But we can all leave you are forwarding addresses. image

    Let's see? Buying gold after it has doubled is a bad move. But buying moderns, key dates, and Morgans after they have gone up from 2X to 100X are good moves. image

    Let's not forget that with inflationary effects that have taken hold since gold was at $400 in the early 1980's and even 1990's, that the gold price is relatively UNCHANGED. You heard that right. Our dollar is worth a fraction of what it was in 1982 but gold is still about the same price. Sort of makes sense that gold, even at $650 would barely balance the inflation scales back to even. Such is the result of central bank and FED intervention in the gold market the past 15 years. I guess gold and silver in the 1970's were lousy buys when they first doubled to $70/oz and $3/oz. Everyone who bailed out at those high figures must have felt good. The fact that something doubles in price has NOTHING to do with its future price potential.
    Never has and never will. The decision should always be based on market fundamentals, psychology, etc....but not the current price. That's one of the major reasons why most investors in anything lose out...they are only price aware. And I can frankly say that the same disease hits me at times like anyone else. It takes serious focus to stay focused on the long term trend and disregard the chaff.

    roadrunner

    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • I could not have said it better myself RoadRunner! Kudos to you! image
    In an insane society, a sane person will appear to be insane.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    We'll see.
  • ttownttown Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭
    Boy I just hope none of you have any US Dollars, because it's way, way weaker than gold. Sell all you want but the powers to be are proping the dollar and will fail IMO. Those of you that were afraid of gold as a hedge better take a hard look at the dollar and buy Gold or Euros, and you can quote me on that. Swings happen in every big upturn and gold/silver is no different and this isn't the time to sell unless you don't like money.image If I were some of you stay out of the stock market, you'd lose a ton, speakin of that I think it will fall on hard time until at least this summer shortly.
  • Load up on gold at ~$435 an ounce?

    Let's wager a $20 saint on which comes first, $410 gold or $460 gold. I'm game.

    roadrunner >>



    Okay, deal, I'll take $460 gold.
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    i want in too.
    littlejohn
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The so-called "rally" in the stock market for the past year or so is just an inverse reaction from the dollar losing value. No real gain was made, it was mainly due to the dollar being devalued. Dollar drops 40%, market up 60%. Same thing. Gold responded the same way only somewhat stronger. But the difference is that that at some point the stock market and gold will diverge. For now, they have been moving up together in a long term trend.

    Even placing one's assets in other strong foreign currencies will help to hold value. The dollar still has a long way to fall to balance things out. It will take years.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • Dollar cost average your way in over the long run and you will be fine. Remeber gold as $35 an once at one point!
  • ttownttown Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭
    Boy some investors............we've been programed that if the stock market drops 15 to 20 percent after a multi year bull run it's normal but gold drops around 3% from it's high and some how that's the time to GET OUT NOW. Do the math people, $450 X 10% = $405 and that's the end of the world for gold?image Get real people, the dollar is weak and were in trouble and nothing has changed.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ttown, you are so right. Our current generation has been 100% brainwashed as to the value of our Federal Reserve Note. Very few have an understanding about a gold backed currency and why it was seen as a prime necessity for 140 years. India for example has a totally different view of gold than we do. They saved their economy a few years back because of their dependence on gold. They probably own as much gold in their citizenry as do all the central banks in the world. Americans just don't "get" gold any more. That part of the vocabulary was removed in a national lobotomy starting in 1982.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Gold has not been a good store of value. The $400 you paid for gold 10 yrs ago will not buy you $400 worth of goods today.

    The dollar is very oversold at this point. Less than 3 years ago the Euro was worth 80c now it is $1.37. If interest rates finally start to raise next year, (there is early evidence in the charts that say this is starting)- then you can expect to see a rally in the dollar which should hit both the stock market and the price of gold. This drop in gold will probably NOT be long lived as the dollar will probably weaken again, but it should be enough to take gold down to the $400 level.

    However, if I am wrong and the dollar continues to decline and perhaps even accelerate, then we will have much larger problems to deal with. A falling dollar is not necesarily bad as long as the decline is contained.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even placing one's assets in other strong foreign currencies will help to hold value

    This is very true. The foreign currency doesnt even have to be strong. I have property in Poland and have enjoyed a very nice 32% appreciation owed just to the decline in the dollar vs the Polish Zloty.

    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • I'd actually like to see gold drop in price a bit. I've been wanting to buy a one-ounce ingot of gold for a while now, but just haven't felt right about plopping down over 400 bucks for one. If gold drops down to around 350 an ounce, then I'd have no problem.
    I collect the elements on the periodic table, and some coins. I have a complete Roosevelt set, and am putting together a set of coins from 1880.
  • dorkbardorkbar Posts: 426 ✭✭✭
    Then you're not going to get one anytime soon. Gold is going up...slowly, but up.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The brief psychological "rally" in the dollar may already be over. We'll have to wait a few more weeks to see. If 80 is breached on the dollar index we are in deep trouble. Currently just under .81 and about the same point that it was at when gold last rallyed to
    $456.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    Any of you gold hawks getting nervous yet? Gold is now at $420.
  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Load up on gold at ~$435 an ounce?

    Let's wager a $20 saint on which comes first, $410 gold or $460 gold. I'm game.

    roadrunner >>








    Uh oh!

  • dthigpendthigpen Posts: 3,932 ✭✭


    << <i>Any of you gold hawks getting nervous yet? Gold is now at $420. >>



    Not really.
  • KentuckyJKentuckyJ Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭

    I started a position in GLD yesterday. I'm watching the drop. I may add more GLD if the trend continues down.

    KJ



  • It's called Catching a Falling Knife.image
  • fishcookerfishcooker Posts: 3,446 ✭✭

    Not sure why ya'll bet that a commodity would trade within its trading range....

    But with the price wobbling on the 100 MA for now, perhaps the low guys are OK.

    Will be much more interesting to buy when "they" (remember Ted Butler?) move the price down to the 200 MA.

  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The XAU and most gold stocks are already trading at or below their 200 dma. Just for giggles I bought 2000 NEM today at 41.62. I'll flip it it in a day or two(hopefully). The stocks usually move at 3x the move in the metal. IE- A 3% rally in gold would be about a 9-10% gain in the mining stocks.

    Tomorrows employment number will say a lot.
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭
    Gold tanks.... is that a better form of armor?
    Give Blood (Red Bags) & Platelets (Yellow Bags)!
  • fishcookerfishcooker Posts: 3,446 ✭✭

    Whoa! XAU buyers should watch out for last April.
  • JdurgJdurg Posts: 997
    I actually like this news. Means that it will be a bit easier to purchase some gold coins both bullion and 'real'.
    I collect the elements on the periodic table, and some coins. I have a complete Roosevelt set, and am putting together a set of coins from 1880.
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sold at $42.13 Now I have spending $$$ for FUN. Whoo Hoo
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear



  • << <i>Sold at $42.13 Now I have spending $$$ for FUN. Whoo Hoo >>



    $42.13 is cheap!image

    Cameron Kiefer
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    SPOT MARKET IS OPEN
    closes in 2 hrs. 28 mins.
    Jan 07, 2005 11:02 NY Time

    Bid/Ask 417.50 - 418.00
    Low/High 416.50 - 425.20
    Change -3.00 -0.71%
    30daychg -34.00 -7.53%
    1year chg -4.90 -1.16%
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,103 ✭✭✭✭✭
    $42.13 is cheap!

    Its $41.70 now. Maybe I should buy it backimage
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • KentuckyJKentuckyJ Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭
    This morning, from Reuters:

    [snip]
    A stronger U.S. currency makes dollar-priced metals less attractive to non-U.S. investors.

    Spot gold (XAU=: Quote, Profile, Research) was quoted at $419.50/0.00 an ounce, against Thursday's New York close at $420.95/1.70. Friday's late London fix was at $422.20.

    Thursday's COMEX settlement at $421.60 was gold's weakest close since Oct. 18, as days of liquidation sparked by a stronger dollar took prices down 4 percent since the start of the year.

    Futures rose nearly 6 percent in 2004, touching a 16-year peak of $458.70 on Dec. 2.

    "I don't think the dollar is going to really strengthen all that much in the first quarter," said Scott Meyers, analyst at Pioneer Futures. "I think it's going to be in a range and gold will probably be in range also.

    "We're not going to $455, but we're not going to $410 either," he said. "I'm inclined do think we're going to work our way back to $430, and maybe $430-440 will be the trading range."

    In the U.S. gold exchange-traded fund streetTRACKS (GLD.N: Quote, Profile, Research) , which is backed by bullion, holdings as of Jan. 6 reached a record high 112.24 tonnes.

    [snip]

    KJ ---> scars on both hands from previous efforts to catch falling knifes image
  • KentuckyJKentuckyJ Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭

    24 Hour Spot Gold chart

    One of the sites I use for watching gold.

    KJ ---> busy trying to catch the falling knife image
  • fishcookerfishcooker Posts: 3,446 ✭✭
    We're almost all the way back to yer entry ($41.66)

    Double or nothing?



  • MintstateMintstate Posts: 254 ✭✭


    << <i>24 Hour Spot Gold chart

    One of the sites I use for watching gold.

    KJ ---> busy trying to catch the falling knife image >>



    You should try this from Kitco Kcast link Works great, and you can see the current price 24 hours a day right in the bottom right corner of your toolbar.
  • ttownttown Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭
    Let's see $450 to $405 is a whole 10% correction.............Come on I know some of you have investments in the stock market and 10 to 20 percent always happens after every bull run and before it breaks higher. If panic really had set in you'd see what happened to the stock market in 2000, it's a normal pull back IMO. Average down on this drop.image

    I'd say if some of you are this poor you picked a hobby to put your money into..........................Sell on the upswing trend when everyone wants the product (coins,stocks,gold,etc) and buy when everyone isn't sure and it's droping if you want to make money. Following the crowd will always result in a loss.


  • I do much better if I average UP and don't average down. image
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Catching a falling knife is easy.

    ..........Stumpy

    image
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yup, I'd prefer not to see $410 gold so K6AZ doesn't get a chance to gloat. But we'll see. At least no one took me up on my offer to
    bet $410 or $460....with me on the high end.image

    The volatility in gold will only get greater. Still, none of the problems have been addressed that have contributed to gold rising for the past 3 years.

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    Well, as I said I'm not a gambling man, or right now you and a few others would be in danger of sending me some free Saints. image

    But the key word in your last post is gold and the other precious metals are volatile markets, and not one that your average coin collector should be playing in. For a rare coin dealer to announce that collectors here should have bought up gold at $435 which is almost double what it was a couple years ago was really irresponsible in my opinion.
  • I was very, very happy to purchase 25 ounces today at just a tad over spot.

    I'm quite pleased actually, surprised there was anyone wanting to dump at that price.

    Late January is a traditional time for gold to spike upward. image
    "Lenin is certainly right. There is no subtler or more severe means of overturning the existing basis of society(destroy capitalism) than to debauch the currency. The process engages all the hidden forces of economic law on the side of destruction, and it does it in a manner which not one man in a million is able to diagnose."
    John Marnard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace, 1920, page 235ff
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    OK, well when gold dips below $400 later this month I will be bringing this thread back up again.

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