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Grading fee increases on Jan. 1, 2005

DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,991 ✭✭✭✭✭
Just received a bulk mailing letter today from PCGS, and it wasn't a Christmas present:

-- Effective January 1, 2005 Regular service submissions must have at least 5 coins.
-- Economy grading fee is going up to $18 per coin.
-- U.S. and World Moderns are going up to $14.
-- World Economy is going up to $20.
-- Mint Errors are going up to $40.

Ho Ho Ho indeed.
When in doubt, don't.
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  • 5 coin minimum on a $30/per submissions?!?! Bah!!
    -George
    42/92
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    At the dealer level there is a 5 coin min on regular submissions, a 10 coin min on economy and modern submissions...
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,377 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's one way to try to address the concerns/whines of people about grading times....charge more, grade less, get more through in a short time.

    You asked for it, you got it, PCGS image

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • GREEDY, GREEDY, GREEDY, GREEDY, GREEDY, GREEDY.imageimageimage
    Gary
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  • That is bad. Didn't thet JUST RAISE the economy price!! Give me a break!imageI think we need a new poll on this.
    morgannut2
  • That is ridiculous. Never submitted anything in my life - not gonna start now.

    billy
  • haletjhaletj Posts: 2,192
    I guess I'll be trying to get a bunch of coins to pcgs by Jan 1st!
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Wow. They are going to get a lot of submissions in before year end. Of course, I just sent in two today before knowing this so I'm a bit happier. ALthough I may send another quickly. Maybe. I wonder if this means that NGC will follow suit with rate increases as well?
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    I don't blame them for raising prices. It's capitalism at work. They should charge what the market will bear for their product.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    The five coin minimum for regular submissions is going to hand NGC even more business than they've already taken.

    Russ, NCNE
  • LeeGLeeG Posts: 12,162
    image Looks like NGC and ANACS will be getting even more business!!!!!!!!!!! Lee
  • As a modern man, I don't feel TOO worried. It's a bummer for many. But hopefully the submission times will drop substantially.

    Maybe they've hired another grader and needed to cover the costs. Maybe things will move super fast!
    to live outside the law, you must be honest ---- bd
  • The last price increase for grading fees @ PCGS was April 1, 2004.

    Cameron Kiefer
  • What a shame that I got my membership ID# from NGC yesterday.

    Hey, cheaper and quicker and continuing to charge to the front!image
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What a shame that I got my membership ID# from NGC yesterday. >>



    I just sent off my third submission in the last month. They've already turned the first two while I have coins growing moldy at PCGS.

    Russ, NCNE
  • dthigpendthigpen Posts: 3,932 ✭✭
    I'll stick to the nice two calendar week turnaround time of 5-day economy service at ANACS.
  • ldhairldhair Posts: 7,232 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Error coins going from $30 to $40?
    Larry

  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,660 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good thing I already know what grade my coins are!
    This way, I can spend my money on coins, and don't spend ANY money on fees for "grading opinions"!
    image

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Larry,

    1955 to date errors cost me $10 at NGC, and usually take 2 weeks. I don't think PCGS is too interested in that business. They're selecting the submissions they want, and I'd say that's just business. image
    Developing theory is what we are meant to do as academic researchers
    and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Good thing I already know what grade my coins are! >>



    Most of us already know what our coins grade. It's the people we're selling them to that want that extra opinion.

    Russ, NCNE


  • << <i>Good thing I already know what grade my coins are!
    This way, I can spend my money on coins, and don't spend ANY money on fees for "grading opinions"!
    image >>



    image

    To bad more collectors did not have your knowledge and extra money to buy coins with!!


  • << <i>What a shame that I got my membership ID# from NGC yesterday. >>



    I just mailed in my application through the ANA membership # to them yesterday also. I should get my ID # within a few weeksimage

    Cameron Kiefer
  • JoshLJoshL Posts: 656 ✭✭
    A Very Merry Christmas to NGC image So it sounds...

    You can price yourself OUT of a market you know!

    I love coins...image
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Oh COME ON now, you are all PCGS Kool-aid drinkers and would submit to them if they tripled their prices!!!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    I have a few coins that I was getting ready to submit. Any guess where they AREN'T going?
  • What a shame that I got my membership ID# from NGC yesterday.

    Hey, cheaper and quicker and continuing to charge to the front!

    =====================================
    I have a few coins that I was getting ready to submit. Any guess where they AREN'T going?
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    me too,done got back two submition,from ngc
    still waited on the pcgs order. and it went out first.and it was a 15 days order .
    littlejohn
  • Ho Ho Ho...indeed. I'm still waiting on an order I submitted through Teletrade in the middle of October. Remind me what I'm paying for again?
  • At a certain price, slabbing $45 and under coins no longer makes any sense from an economical standpoint. Question is, at what price?
  • ColorfulcoinsColorfulcoins Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭
    Time to clean out the old coins sitting around and send in as many as I can this year!
    Craig
    If I had it my way, stupidity would be painful!
  • 66Tbird66Tbird Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭
    To rich for me, I'm out. NGC here I come again.
    Need something designed and 3D printed?
  • tmot99tmot99 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭
    Pretty soon, they'll start charging for the forum. image
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Well, the last couple of times PCGS raised their prices, NGC wasn't far behind. It'll be interesting to see that front. I've had an NGC number for a couple of years now but I'm sending to PCGS for now. Although when the CC membership runs out, who knows.
  • KISHU1KISHU1 Posts: 2,118 ✭✭✭
    This is on more clue that we are near the top of the market and everybody wants to make the most they can before the ride ends! Question: did the price of plastic drop after the last coin crash? Maybe we should buy the plastic not the coin.
    image
  • JamminJJamminJ Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭
    NGC already raised their prices as of October 1 but not as dramatically as PCGS.

    -JamminJ
  • LincolnCentManLincolnCentMan Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭
    Well, that makes me happy I quit collecting slabs. I'm pretty happy with the ol' dansco.

    David
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    -- Effective January 1, 2005 Regular service submissions must have at least 5 coins.
    -- Economy grading fee is going up to $18 per coin.
    -- U.S. and World Moderns are going up to $14.
    -- World Economy is going up to $20.
    -- Mint Errors are going up to $40.
    Who cares on most of this, if you don't care about World or errors(an error is an error, send it somewher else), moderns and economy US is up 2 bucks and regular is the same but you got to send in 5, big deal---------------------------------------BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    BTW, thanks for posting this Dennis H. I appreciate the update-----------------------BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • cohodkcohodk Posts: 19,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There goes the statehood quarter marketimage
    Excuses are tools of the ignorant

    Knowledge is the enemy of fear

  • itsnotjustmeitsnotjustme Posts: 8,777 ✭✭✭
    Glad I just sent in 23 moderns and 2 errors!

    I think even so-so grade moderns just gained a buck in value....
    Give Blood (Red Bags) & Platelets (Yellow Bags)!
  • FORM 8-K for COLLECTOR'S UNIVERSE

    "b. Mr. Hall is responible for the financial performance of the Company's authenication and grading operations. Accordingly, the 2005 Bonus Plan provides that the amount of his bonus compensation will be determined on the basis of the contribution that the Company's consolidated operating income in fiscal 2005 (the Grading Contribution)." And there's nothing wrong with that.

    As a publicly held, for profit, company, Collector's Universe is looking for profit. And with the boom in grading coins, the PCGS division is it! Most of the complaints I've seen are for the slow turn arounds and it wasn't getting any better. Economy seems to be putting a strain on the rest of the levels. My guess is the changes were made to protect the Regular service level and shore up any problems with it's turn around times.


    Jerry
  • Geez!!! image
  • foodudefoodude Posts: 3,568 ✭✭✭
    Just received a bulk mailing letter today from PCGS, and it wasn't a Christmas present:

    I didn't get that e-mail.. Maybe only those that were naughty got them for X-mas (Marty, I'm sure you got one:Funnyimage.
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  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It will change my submission philosophy also(for coins I buy for re-sale), as many times I only have a couple of coins to send in to PCGS at regular $30 at one time. Looks like they will be going to NGC or ANACS, unless I can get together a group of 5, but usually its not cost effective.

  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    I agree with Neil. If the past is any indication, look for NGC to raise their rate for economy to $18 within sixty days.
  • StuartStuart Posts: 9,761 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dennis: Thanks for the heads-up on the PCGS grading price increase. image

    Well, I guess that now's the time for me to get "crackin" on those third-tier TPGS holder crackouts that I've been planning to submit to PCGS... before the New Year... image

    Stuart

    Collect 18th & 19th Century US Type Coins, Silver Dollars, $20 Gold Double Eagles and World Crowns & Talers with High Eye Appeal

    "Luck is what happens when Preparation meets Opportunity"


  • << <i>I agree with Neil. If the past is any indication, look for NGC to raise their rate for economy to $18 within sixty days. >>



    "Follow the leader" Collusion. But hey, that's the way the auto and airline industries used to price things.
  • BikingnutBikingnut Posts: 3,375 ✭✭✭
    Since there is going to be a minumum of 5 coins at the regular level now, shouldn't the free submissions for joining at the gold level also go to 5?
    US Navy CWO3 retired. 12/81-09/04

    Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
  • "Since there is going to be a minumum of 5 coins at the regular level now, shouldn't the free submissions for joining at the gold level also go to 5?"

    Don't count on an "exception" being made to THAT "rule" image

    I think the changes are modest or affect mostly lower volume stuff - EXCEPT mint error. I think the $30 fee is already WAY too high compared to ANACS or NGC - AND it took about 75 days for my last 9 coin mint error submission. A FAR cry from the "approximately 30 days" on their site! I can't understand why, if generating MORE revenue is the goal, they don't allow GAURANTEED turn around times for mint error at the express level (AT LEAST).
  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭
    It costs money to do business, and that cost generally has to be pushed off onto the consumer.

    This, however, is a case of someone taking something popular and capitalizing to the point of gouging. A 50 cent piece of plastic shouldn't cost that much, especially in the bulk amounts they receive.
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