Ryan Leaf Thread

wolfbear · September 14, 2004 1:19PM

Enough already about that Nolan Ryan dude !
What about a thread for the other Ryan ... Ryan Leaf ?

This thread will be a gathering place for the legions of Leaf's fans
to post scans of their favorite cards of their hero and to discuss his illustrious career.

I'll start it off. Also, I fully expect this thread to eclipse the Nolan thread in number of responses.

qualitycards · September 14, 2004 1:28PM

WOLF - Go ahead and impress me, request a Leaf registered set, and slab all those desirable Leaf gems

...jay

onegaucho · September 14, 2004 2:23PM

As if us Charger fans needed a reminder of this clown...

I did see that another SoCal boy got himself back into drugs (Marinovich).

I've been a fan of Brees despite his lack of production the past few years. However, when compared to Aikman, Elway, and Marino's 1st 3 seasons, he actually had better stats. Go figure.

1-0 baby. Live it up while it lasts!!

xbaggypants · September 14, 2004 10:59PM

Remember when he threw 1 touchdowns and 15 INT's in a season. WOW was he good!

Vargha · September 14, 2004 11:07PM

Immature moron -- Yep. That about sums up Mister Leaf.

jrinck · September 15, 2004 12:03AM

HOF '06

dude · September 15, 2004 12:15AM

Ryan Leaf was picked #2 in the 1998 NFL Draft behind #1 pick Peyton Manning (whoever he is)

Here is the 1998 Draft Day analysis on Ryan Leaf by CNN/SI:

Leaf appears to be the hot QB in this draft, and he led WSU to a storybook season...He is a physically imposing QB with great size and strength....he is very sturdy and durable in the pocket, and is a surprisingly good athlete for his size...He has a strong arm and shows good touch, and can change up the speed on his passes...He has good feet, but is not really a scrambler. However, he can stand in and take the big hits....He is a very naturally gifted player, but could improve on his throwing mechanics, although it is not a major problem....There are no physical or athletic limitations to hold Leaf back from becoming a great NFL QB. However, there appears to be some minor nagging questions in the area of maturity and his mental approach to the game. He is perceived as not always an easy guy to work with, and he tends to beat to his own drummer...As good as he is, he can have some streaks on the field where he looks like he has forgotten everything he has been taught...There seems to be a nagging question here that something might be missing, but it may be hard to verbalize it...However, Leaf made all the right moves at the end of his season when he declared for the NFL draft...Unless he turns some teams off in individual interviews between now and the draft, he should have no problems....Nobody will question his physical abilities, and it is not outlandish to think that he could be the first pick of the draft, instead of Peyton Manning....There is a huge upside with Leaf, and it is conceivable that he could be one of the best young QB’s in the game in 2-3 years...His ability to play as physical as he does and take the hits that will obviously come, when playing for a team that obviously doesn’t have a very good OL, will help him get over the tough times as a team builds around him.

Link-A-Dink

Best Quote:

"There seems to be a nagging question here that something might be missing, but it may be hard to verbalize it."

I'm sure the San Diego Chargers front office can verbalize it quite well today.

jimtb · September 15, 2004 1:31AM

What an absolute waste of God given talent.

helionaut · September 15, 2004 1:32AM

There's a "sports psychologist" kind of guy that ESPN interviewed a year or two ago. He has developed a system of analyzing personalities base on 4 attributes, and everyone has two of these attributes, so there are 16 "brain types." He said that he can tell what kind of a person someone is just by talking to him for a few minutes, and he'd been hired by several sportsteams, including NFL teams working on their drafts. He said he told the Colts Peyton Manning had the best type of personality for a QB, and he told the Chargers Ryan Leaf was the worst. I guess he was right.

But that doesn't stop someone from enjoying the cards. A Ryan Leaf collection would be a great cross-section of modern football, and could probably be had rather cheaply. I have always had a soft spot for those who leave too early, or never live up to huge expectations. Usually it's the tragic figures like Ken Hubbs or Harry Agganis. Ryan Leaf, Ricky Williams, etc. are in there, too, though obviously subject to less sympathy. People were still spending pretty heavily on Rick Ankiel after he blew up. There's something about the lost cause that appeals to at least a few people. And I think it'd be great to have those people display their fetish on the Registry.

mccardguy1 · September 15, 2004 6:00AM

geez i thought this thread was going to about someone wanting these ryan leaf cards I have cluttering up my closet. I saw the thread heading and thought I was going to make a few bucks back. I guess i will still have to use them to start my fireplace this winter.

As someone said earlier.............a total waste of God given talent

interchanges · September 15, 2004 6:16AM

So much for starting my Andre Ware thread

SDSportsFan · September 15, 2004 11:31AM

Put it this way...I have been stationed in Great Falls MT, which is Ryan Leaf's hometown, for the past six years. No one here can stand the jerk, except maybe his parents and kid brother, who by the way is just as much of a jerk as Ryan is

The big sportsbar in town has numerous signed jerseys on display, both game worn and replica, and they in no way have any intention of ever displaying a Ryan Leaf jersey. They do have a Dave Dickenson (who also grew up here and went to the same high school as Leaf) autographed game worn Calgary Stampeders jersey prominently displayed

Steve

xbaggypants · September 16, 2004 12:30AM

<< They do have a Dave Dickenson (who also grew up here and went to the same high school as Leaf) autographed game worn Calgary Stampeders jersey prominently displayed >>

I have one of those too, Dave use to work out at my gym and gave me one just because I asked him if he ever keeps and old game used jerserys. Super nice guy!!!

1420sports · September 16, 2004 12:46AM

The title on the card - Future Shock - says it all. He was the #1 bust according to ESPN 25 year polls.

What I cannot understand is why the Chargers have drafted Leaf, Brees, and Rivers when there were so many other needs (and still are) on that team.

If I were a Bolts fan I would not be happy.

Fabfrank · September 16, 2004 2:02AM

Correction
Immature RICH moron

SDSportsFan · September 16, 2004 11:05AM

Immature RICH moron

With an incredibly beautiful, ex-Charger Cheerleader for a wife

Steve

SDSportsFan · September 16, 2004 11:11AM

I have one of those too, Dave use to work out at my gym and gave me one just because I asked him if he ever keeps and old game used jerserys. Super nice guy!!!

That's right. Dickenson's nearly a god here in Great Falls...just the absolute total opposite of Leaf. I really wish the Chargers had given Dickenson a REAL chance to make the team and play when they had him

Same old sh!t about him being too small and whatever else. All I know from seeing several of his CFL games (which were ALWAYS shown live here, to a PACKED sportsbar) is that his teams WON when he played...same as Flutie and Garcia when they played in the CFL.

Steve

SDSportsFan · September 16, 2004 11:19AM

What I cannot understand is why the Chargers have drafted Leaf, Brees, and Rivers when there were so many other needs (and still are) on that team.

If I were a Bolts fan I would not be happy.

My thoughts exactly as they pertain to Rivers. I may be wrong, but I really think Brees is the quarterback of their future. I just do not understand why they drafted Rivers when they still have NO solid receivers

If they had drafted Fitzgerald or another of the available receivers to go along with Brees and LT, they'd have the beginnings of a real offense. Instead, it's basically the same as last year...give the ball to LT and hope at least one of their receivers actually shows up and finally learns how to catch the ball

Steve

wolfbear · September 16, 2004 1:47PM

This one is limited to only 7200 in existence :

Also, since this is the only one numbered 6529 of 7200, it is a true one of one ...

MonstersOTG · September 16, 2004 6:47PM

I think he took my order at Burger King the other day.

iamthegreatcornholio · September 17, 2004 8:33AM

<< I think he took my order at Burger King the other day. >>

Mine too, no wonder why my order always gets screwed up.

1,054 more posts on this thread and this will be the #1 Ryan thread!

Brian

wolfbear · September 20, 2004 3:11AM

This one's really cool.

It's supposed to be shaped like a pennant, I think, and it even has felt or something like that on it :

dstudeba · September 20, 2004 3:24AM

SDSportsFan -

Looks like there is another ex-Charger girl waiting for you back here.......

Coach Leaf

Vargha · September 20, 2004 3:52AM

Mike Price is an idiot if he wants Leaf on his staff (yeah, I know that Price is already an idiot). Listen to this maturity:

"I'd be more than happy to have Ryan Leaf join my staff or our program at any time in the future," said Mike Price, Leaf's former Washington State coach and the new head coach at Texas-El Paso. "We'd be honored to have somebody of Ryan's caliber coaching with us, and that's a possibility for us in the future."

It's a possibility for Leaf as long as he completes the college course work he left unfinished after becoming the No. 2 overall choice in the 1998 NFL draft.

On the eve of another NFL season, the career change also appears to mark the epilogue on Leaf's infamous tenure in San Diego. Just as the Chargers are set to unveil another quarterback of the future – Philip Rivers – Leaf has moved from San Diego to Moscow, Idaho, a nine-mile commute across the state border from Pullman, Wash., to attend classes at his alma mater.

Just don't expect him to talk about it with the San Diego media.

"Man, what the (expletive)?" Leaf said when contacted by the Union-Tribune. "How'd you get my number? If The San Diego Union-Tribune calls me again ... Man, you fools are stupid."

Leaf, who still loathes the public limelight, then hung up.

SDSportsFan · September 20, 2004 8:24AM

SDSportsFan -

Looks like there is another ex-Charger girl waiting for you back here.......

Thanks dstudeba

I guess I'll have to look her up the next time I'm back home

Steve

dstudeba · September 20, 2004 9:12AM

SDSportsFan -

Just remember to bring your dancing shoes.....

San Diego Air Force USO

SDSportsFan · September 20, 2004 9:42AM

Awright dstud...

How is it that you seem to know so much about Nicki Lucia?

Inquiring minds demand a 'splanation

Steve

interchanges · September 20, 2004 10:03AM

Dan is a Nickie Lucia historian

interchanges · September 28, 2004 12:57PM

but never mind that, just think if Ryan were still playing today.....

marz · September 28, 2004 2:45PM

<< but never mind that, just think if Ryan were still playing today..... >>

Uncle Elmer! waz up bro????

weiner cards are us~

interchanges · September 29, 2004 5:17AM

<< weiner cards are us~ >>

Wieners, potato chips and tobacco....that's what it's all about!

Too bad Ryan Leaf wasn't on a wiener card. That would be perfect! Get a still shot of him crabbing at that reporter in the locker room with a pack of Oscar Meyer's floating next to his head.

dude · October 21, 2004 5:20AM

NFL Films releases Career Highlights of Ryan Leaf

Michael Jordan, Cal Ripken, Barry Sanders dominate the list of professional athletes who left on top of a long and prosperous career. NFL Films has added a new name to that list, Ryan Leaf. Leaf has announced retirement after a rollercoaster career that started long ago in 1998. The tape offers 7 exciting minutes starting from his second round draft pick with the Chargers to his last assignment of battling for 3rd sting Quarterback with the Seahawks. Go behind the scenes from censored comments from his teammates to fans in Tampa Bay keying his Corvette. Hear the whining, the complaining and the verbal assaults as if you were right there on the field. Watch interviews with his previous coaches as well as his new shift manager at Wal-mart. NFL films takes you there. With every purchase of this video receive an actual intercepted game ball thrown and signed by Leaf*

*Offer available only to the first 10,000 orders

See the Plays

Hear the Crunch of Battle

NFL Films releases Career Highlights of Ryan Leaf

xbaggypants · October 21, 2004 5:32AM

Dude... THAT IS THE POST OF THE YEAR!!!!

wolfbear · October 21, 2004 6:57AM

Dude :

This is supposed to be a positive thread
in celebration of Leaf's accomplishments while at the same time
helping to generate interest in a Ryan Leaf master collection on the PSA set registry.

Let's get back on track.
Here's of picture of Leaf signaling TOUCHDOWN !

... I think ...

Wayne8348 · October 21, 2004 9:46AM

Dan,

That if funny!

Wolfbear,

That was a positive post - I'm positive Ryan was that bad.

Wayne

thefootballcardstore · October 21, 2004 10:02AM

Here is an except from the 2005 Preliminary Nominees of the Pro Football HOF
and looks who's in the hunt!

Mike Kenn T 1978-1994 Atlanta Falcons
Joe Klecko DE/DT/NT 1977-1987 New York Jets, 1988 Indianapolis Colts
Chuck Knox Coach 1973-1977, 1992-1994 Los Angeles Rams, 1978-1982 Buffalo Bills, 1983-1991 Seattle Seahawks,
Bob Kuechenberg* G 1970-1984 Miami Dolphins
Henry Lawrence T/G 1974-1986 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders
Ryan Leaf^ QB 1998-2000 San Diego Chargers, 2001 Dallas Cowboys
Albert Lewis CB 1983-1993 Kansas City Chiefs, 1994-1998 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders
Louis Lipps WR 1984-1991 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1992 New Orleans Saints
Nick Lowery K 1978 New England Patriots, 1980-1993 Kansas City Chiefs, 1994-1996 New York Jets
Dan Marino^ QB 1983-1999 Miami Dolphins
Harvey Martin DE 1973-1983 Dallas Cowboys
Clay Matthews LB 1978-1993 Cleveland Browns, 1994-1996 Atlanta Falcons

For some reason the NFL recognizes that Leaf retired in 1999, can you blame them?

Jeremy

thefootballcardstore · October 21, 2004 10:18AM

Here's a quote off the web:

<< Leaf might have been on the field occasionally, but whatever else he was doing, Leaf was not playing any recognizable form of football (if Leaf was playing football, then my cat is playing chess when it swipes at the pieces on the board). >>

- Brian Carnell

interchanges · October 23, 2004 6:06AM

I wonder if Andre Ware has his own NFL films video?

xbaggypants · October 23, 2004 10:53AM

<< I wonder if Andre Ware has his own NFL films video? >>

Or Dan McQuire????

Ironmanfan · October 23, 2004 12:30PM

Thats Dan McGwire (as in his older brother Mark).....Actually my favorite bust is David Klingler...

NickM · October 23, 2004 2:19PM

Ware, Klingler, McGwire, et al. were simply busts. Ryan Leaf made it into a special class, surpassing Todd Marinovich and Art Schlichter as most destructive 1st round QB for his team. At a show in 2000 or thereabouts, I made fun of a dealer who had a Ryan Leaf rookie parallel #/25 on his table with a $100 price tag by pointing out, with several other people standing around, that Tampa Bay just paid $100 for Ryan Leaf himself.

I actually know of someone buying a piece of Leaf memorabilia recently - a man paid $15 for an autographed Leaf mini helmet during the closing sale from a local card store. I suppose you can justify the purchase this way - if you remove the Leaf signature, you then have an unsigned mini helmet at about 1/3 off the normal price.

Only 1195 more posts until we catch up to the other Ryan thread.

Nick

achtey · October 24, 2004 2:50AM

I still think my favorite bust was Tony Mandrich from the packers. Lineman picked #2 overall in '89 draft; ahead of guys like barry sanders, deion sanders, derrick thomas....and he was a complete bust. Steroids and all.

Josh

interchanges · November 30, 2004 11:10AM

I heard the Bears were gonna sign him..

wolfbear · November 30, 2004 11:28AM

Would the Bears be better off with Jeff George or Ryan Leaf ?

Hmmmmm ... very tough call.
Like having to pick between Montana and Unitas, but different ...

SDSportsFan · November 30, 2004 12:55PM

Would the Bears be better off with Jeff George or Ryan Leaf ?

Hmmmmm ... very tough call.
Like having to pick between Montana and Unitas, but different ...

Put it this way...

Which would you rather have?

Crabs...............

or hemorrhoids?

Steve

NickM · December 1, 2004 9:10AM

Jeff George can play reasonably well as a QB. He's not much of a team leader, nor is he a good force in the locker room, but when you have been starting Jonathan Quinn and Craig Krenzel, having a QB who can actually throw the ball downfield is a marked improvement.
Look at George's stats. 154 TD passes (vs. 113 INTs), 57.9% completions, over 27600 yards passing, a 4000 yard season (and another season leading the NFL in passing yards) add up to a QB who is more than adequate as a fill-in.

Nick

Vargha · December 1, 2004 9:35AM

I thought Bosworth was the biggest (non-criminal/non-self-destruction) bust.

wolfbear · December 1, 2004 11:15AM

NickM is correct that Jeff George has put up great stats over the years.
Much better than the average starting quarterback in the NFL.

Still, if you look at the won / lost records,
of the teams he played at least 13 games in a season for, only 2 of the 7 had a winning record.

I've always enjoyed watching him, and hope he does well.

As for Vargha's comment about biggest busts ... why always the obsession with large breasts ?

Vargha · December 1, 2004 11:17AM

Why not?

Vargha · December 1, 2004 11:19AM

Oh, I get it now . . . wolfbear is making fun of me because I am a gay, dyslexic midget. I can take it though. I faced much worse in the federal pen.

mudflap02 · December 1, 2004 11:40PM

Vargha's old lady taking it to the hole.

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