Interesting crossover grade

Myqqy

Hopefully he didn't pay too much for it....

sliderider

The President of SGS, Americas Grading Company, poses with his two top U.S. coin graders.

cdwegner

fivecents

Sliderider...Be careful what you say....Those two brothers have super human hearing.

Myqqy

I was wondering if pcgs takes 2 points off automatically if a coin comes in to them in a sgs slab.....
Those dudes with the big ears are a little scary looking........

sliderider

Are you kidding?? 2 points?? I drop at least 5 and all designations after the number when pricing that stuff. I trust the grade on ICG slabs a whole lot more than SGS.

Bikingnut

We know he paid at least 30.00 for the grading fee for that one. Wonder what he paid for the coin itself. Sometimes lessons like that are costly.

nederveit

I saw that one tonight too and had to chuckle. We all live and learn.

cdwegner

I invited the guy doing the auction to come over and tell us all about his experience..

nederveit

Cool!

sliderider

I'd be embarassed to come over if I cross graded that junk.

shadoan

Yes Some should not even grade coins SGS is a joke can't believe how many people getting taken over by their fake grades...I wrote 3 times in this dumb chat window lost the other 2 before I could submit..just trying to attach a file to view ..so this will be short tired of typing by now..I sent the coins in and found out later graders were all at a convention and got a call from the sorter that was a their shop and asked if there was any note he should leave for the graders and explained yes do not reholder unless they are Proof 68 67 lowest besides get the worse grades I got overcharged overnighted for shipping that is it for me to ever send a coin to get graded..if anyone knows of a grading company that is decent and real and does not charge a arm and a leg to grade them please let me know I was very dissapointed trying out new services but learned a costly lesson all graders are not treated equal and some should not be allowed to grade at all SGS.




This was the coin that did not even look like the one sent in for grading by me where they got it who knows...

ksteelheader

shadoan,

There are thingy's called periods, capital letters, sentences, and paragraphs. Learn to use them. I can't understand a damn thing you're trying to say!!

Ken

cdwegner

shadoan,

Welcome to the board.

Did you talk to the original seller after you had it graded by PCGS?

I'm curious what they might have said to you.

c

littlejohn

hi
i think it still looks better than pr64,i would said at less pr 66 or 67.
littlejohn

LucyBop

when one truely knows their series and also knows what say PCGs or NGC look for in that series in any given GEM grades, you can really find lots of gems and bargians in third tier holders.......

but sometimes growing pains are in order as one advances to this level....




hepkitty out!

sliderider

I have yet to see a coin in an SGS holder that didn't grade MS70 or PF70DCAM. I think they ordered too many labels with 70s on them and are trying to get rid of them. I just bought a 1950 Proof dime in an off brand holder (ACC?? Never heard of that one) that said PF70 on it, but I paid around PF60 money for it, so we'll see what it crosses to. If it comes back as a 63, I'll be happy, but it looks at around 65-66 to me.

Oh, hi Lucy, didn't see ya there until I went back to check what I posted for errors, but yes, you are right. Sometimes you can crack coins out of third rate holders and still get good grades for them at PCGS or NGC. They may not come back as the 69 or 70 that they are quoted as on the holder you cracked them out of, but if you bid low and win, bargains can be had.

Bear

Ken, where can one learn to use all of them there good things

in sentences. They seem right good and sound real smart too.

itsnotjustme

Shadoan,
Welcome to the boards. This is a great place to increase your knowledge and not get taken again. It makes me cringe when I see a new collector talking to a dealer with a case filled with third tier slabs. I heard a dealer telling a dad and son how scarce mint state 1943 zinc cents were as he held up an off brand MS66 coin. I think they paid $40 for it, way too much.

On the PCGS submission form, there are places to specify minimum grade for crossovers, service level (could have done those cheaper if they were out of the SGS holder), shipping, etc.

shadoan

After posting 3 times on this message board and loosing the paragraphs don't preach to me you dork. I've seen a lot worse comming from news reporters put your glasses on you old coot.

shadoan

Thank you for your post I was beginning to think it was all me getting bad grades and noone else, first and last time I send any coins in to that place for grading. I bought a Proof 68 pcgs just to compare and my 2 coins out graded those by 2 points in anyones book of grading standards. It sure doesn't pay to be a new commer the same coins sent in by a dealer that sends all the time would of got Proof 67 and 68 I believe just another lesson to learn and at least I did not buy a whole load of those SGS from ebay like some and what a pitty the one's that did, all I was trying to show is that their grades are far from the true grades.

billboat

Shadoan;

Welcome to the Boards And, Ken, you old coot, you had that "comming"!

Russ

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shadoan

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Easy money... like selling SGS coins to the unknowing...

UncleJoe

Deja vu?

Joe.

NoGvmnt

Wow, shado(w), you are a real expert when it comes to grading....

Your Proof 70.

And the customers complaint, "Coin was refused by PCGS as non Gradable because of marks. NO REFUNDS!!"

And your response to the customers complaint, "Coin just as described Buyer did not want to follow payment rules made up story."

Looks to me that the Buyer didn't make up any story (as your own submission clearly proves, you suck at grading (and spelling/punctuation)).

Jim

shadoan

Go take a hit from your bong you drug adic you are so smoked up you don't know which end it up......they were cameo proofs who knows how he handled the coin after he took it out of the flip don't need to take your crap so smoke another one goof ball...check that spelling you retard....

Russ

<< <i>Go take a hit from your bong you drug adic you are so smoked up you don't know which end it up......they were cameo proofs who knows how he handled the coin after he took it out of the flip don't need to take your crap so smoke another one goof ball...check that spelling you retard.... >>



I see another fun thread in the making. Do you have a cousin named Poe?

Russ, NCNE

tgilliams

an informed collector would never have sent coins to SGS to be graded. you got what you paid for. 10 minutes of research would have told you how foolish it is to send coins to SGS, NTC, ACG, PCI or ICG. and other fly-by-night companies. PCGS, NGC and ANACS are the only companies that are welkl-respected.

cdwegner

<< <i>Go take a hit from your bong you drug adic you are so smoked up you don't know which end it up......they were cameo proofs who knows how he handled the coin after he took it out of the flip don't need to take your crap so smoke another one goof ball...check that spelling you retard.... >>

shadoan

Here was a message from a decent person not like some in this message board area!!!!
Dear Shadoan,

I want to thank you from another collector your experience with SGS & PCGS. Some of these new grading firms are selling dreams that turn into nightmares when they attempt to sell the coin. thanks for your honesty and helping some newer collectors not get burnt and quit the hobby. tom g


If you all could have a brain not like Jim, seems when god was giving them out he thought he was saying trains and took the first one to albercerki..:-)

cdwegner

Shad,

Did you actually write SGS and tell them their coin was graded differently by PCGS?

Did you buy the coin from ABCOINS? (Isn't that the store front name for SGS?)

c

shadoan

No I did not buy the coins from SGS website they were bought from ebay seller aboncom . Coins looked good in their SGS holders how did I know PCGS would treat them so indifferent being still in holders. I new they did not grade Proof 70 but thought at least they looked like 68 67 at the least but 64 and 65 two cameo's no way was the grading fare and I am left with junk coin cost anywhere from 25.00 to 50.00 and 30 grading crossover fee brings it to a very high loss, 1962 CA Pr69 value 1400.00 down to a 1962 Pr64 18.00 is a sin and a crime if you ask me. I would like someone to send one in out of the holder and see what kind of grade they would get from PCGS or take a PCGS high grade reholder it in a SGS then send it back to PCGS and regrade their own coin see if it is graded acurate like the first time they graded it...now that would be a test..

Myqqy

thanks for your honesty and helping some newer collectors not get burnt and quit the hobby.

That's pretty much what this forum does on a daily basis- help people avoid getting burned in the future. It's a good place, but you're off to a bit of a shaky start here........

cdwegner

<< <i>No I did not buy the coins from SGS website they were bought from ebay seller aboncom . Coins looked good in their SGS holders how did I know PCGS would treat them so indifferent being still in holders. I new they did not grade Proof 70 but thought at least they looked like 68 67 at the least but 64 and 65 two cameo's no way was the grading fare and I am left with junk coin cost anywhere from 25.00 to 50.00 and 30 grading crossover fee brings it to a very high loss, 1962 CA Pr69 value 1400.00 down to a 1962 Pr64 18.00 is a sin and a crime if you ask me. I would like someone to send one in out of the holder and see what kind of grade they would get from PCGS or take a PCGS high grade reholder it in a SGS then send it back to PCGS and regrade their own coin see if it is graded acurate like the first time they graded it...now that would be a test.. >>



I thought I read that aboncom is actually the same company as SGS. Dealer and slabber with different DBAs. I think that another famous grading company used to do the same thing. It can be a great money generator...

So, you actually sent the coin in to PCGS *in* the SGS holder? I wonder if it would have been a different grade if it had been raw. Some here have theorized that it is better to send them in raw. In this case, I doubt it, but you never know.

Shadoan, I'd let this on go as a lesson learned and remember, "If it's too good to be true...."

c

Russ

<< <i>Coins looked good in their SGS holders how did I know PCGS would treat them so indifferent being still in holders. >>



PCGS didn't treat them "indifferent". They simply graded them at what they felt they deserved. It's well known in the industry that SGS graded coins are junk, so it really is no surprise that your coins dropped five or six points. It's a tough lesson, but hopefully one from which you've learned.



<< <i>I thought I read that aboncom is actually the same company as SGS. >>



That's correct.

Russ, NCNE

shadoan

I'm glad you can get amused at someone else's expense show's your real character........

cdwegner

<< <i>

<< <i>Coins looked good in their SGS holders how did I know PCGS would treat them so indifferent being still in holders. >>



PCGS didn't treat them "indifferent". They simply graded them at what they felt they deserved. It's well known in the industry that SGS graded coins are junk, so it really is no surprise that your coins dropped five or six points. It's a tough lesson, but hopefully one from which you've learned.



<< <i>I thought I read that aboncom is actually the same company as SGS. >>



That's correct.

Russ, NCNE >>



Russ,

I meant differently. Reading this thread may have degraded my English skills.

I imagine the PCGS grader said, "OMG, someone trying to cross a SGS coin!" when this coin crossed his desk.

As I said, live and learn.

c

Russ

<< <i>Russ,

I meant differently. Reading this thread may have degraded my English skills. >>



The first part is in response to shadoan.

Russ, NCNE

billboat

Shadoan--

Your opinions are your own and I certainly won't denigrate them. However, on these boards you have the opportunity to benefit from the advice and opinions of some very experienced collectors (I don't necessarily include myself among them--but I do shutup and heed the information they provide). I'm not a true believer that PCGS is infallible and the only TPG worth submitting my coins to. I have learned to grade in my areas of interest (Morgans, Peace Dollars and Bust Halves) and consequently have come to respect TPGs like PCGS, NGC and ANACS. I still buy raw (especially Bust Halves) and am comfortable doing so. My advice (unsolicited) is--enjoy the boards, ask questions and learn. There's not a whole lot to be gained from getting in whizzing contests with other members. Bill

msch1man

Shadoan - If you truly believe that the coin is a PR67 or PR68 and that the only reason it was graded PR64 was because of the slab that it was sent in with, then why not crack it out of its current slab and send it back in raw to be regraded at PCGS?

cdwegner

<< <i>

<< <i>Russ,

I meant differently. Reading this thread may have degraded my English skills. >>



The first part is in response to shadoan.

Russ, NCNE >>



doh.

shadoan

I would not send a wheat penny to PCGS after getting billed overnight charges air 36.00 who in their right mind would? I sent the coins off for $7.20 FedX once they have your credit card information they go haywire...end of story got my intial membership fee refunded was the only good ocurance to come out of the deal...I think True Grade has a much better pay scale just my opinion..thanks for your post and just to mention I did learn a invaluable lesson.........

shadoan

Being an expert as yourself I"m sure you can figure it out there old boy knock yourself out I lost all way around and did not know about SGS till I saw them on ebay, now I know how hard is that to figure? I am not slow just new to new grading companies trying to rip off the public like you said junk coins even though a Proof 64 or 65 is not junk in my opinion there are far to many circulated ones would fit that description and your the expert...duh........

Russ

<< <i>would not send a wheat penny to PCGS after getting billed overnight charges air 36.00 who in their right mind would? >>



PCGS ships only by USPS Registered Mail unless the submitter instructs them otherwise.



<< <i>I think True Grade has a much better pay scale just my opinion.. >>



TruGrade is one of the worst grading companies in business today. They overgrade by a huge margin.

Russ, NCNE

shadoan

Well thank you for the post well then who is decent grader? that does not overcharge for services? I have some cameo Kenedies I'd like to slab seems like when they get in the air they start to tarnish that quick and right now there in a plastic sealed cylinder...any idea's

kranky

Why do you want the coins slabbed? Just to find out what one particular company grades them? Or for resale?

cdwegner

Shadoan,

There are quite a few threads here regarding the major services (PCGS, NGC and ANACS) and their prices, services, backlog, etc. You can't go wrong with those three, IMHO, BTW.

It sounds like you spent quite a bit to have what turned out to be a 'lower' value coin certified. Paying for the 1 day turn around, super deluxe grading option is dangerous (read expensive) unless you are *very* sure you have a superb coin for certification.

If the value of the coin is $1000 at MS66 and $10 at MS65 (or some such extreme drop off)... You might want to have someone check it out to see if they think it's worthwhile to submit. You will see many people scan or photograph coins here to have the other board members critique their coins.

c

msch1man

I'd definitely think twice about slabbing those cameo Kennedy halves...I'm not super familiar with the pricing on these, but according to Trends (which is a "Full" retail price guide - i.e. you probably won't get prices this high for an average coin on ebay), a lot of Kennedy halves aren't worth the slabbing fee even if they do grade as high as PR68 or PR69 Cameo (depending on the year of course). Plus, third party grading companies might have a different interpretation of what Cameo or Deep Cameo is then you do.

If you want my advice, post a nice detailed picture of your BEST Kennedy that you want to have slabbed and see what the resident experts here (i.e. Russ) think it will grade...then decide if it is worth it to send them in and have them slabbed. You have nothing to lose (and a slabbing fee to save), by doing this.

billboat

Buy some Coin World Holders or Airtites--they should protect your Kennedys--or wait until you get over ten and take advantage of one of the major TPG economy modern services--appx $10 per coin as I recall. It's still a lot to pay to have them slabbed but at least you'll know what you have and they will be more marketable. I'd go with the Coin world holders (look and perform a lot like slabs except you do it yourself--or the Airtites). Bill