Thank you I took your advice and got some DH15 double seal holders that show third side of the coin pretty neat..I would take a picture of one if I could get this attach file thing to work here I click nothing happens no file directory comes up nothing? Any idea's how to make it work let me know..thanks again for the advice..
I'd also mention that the biggest reason that people are surprised to get a low grade on a modern proof is because they missed seeing hairlines on the coin. Often you have to rotate the coin just right under an incandescent light to see them, and since hairlines are generally the biggest factor in getting a low grade on a modern proof, not seeing them before submitting can lead to unhappy results.
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I do believe that was a wheat penny..lol Here is a Kenedy had to change size for minimum 50KB for here...These were all Cameo's look to be High Proofs....PCGS had a price guide on their site for kenedies but now they took it down to just 1964 any idea why they did that ? A kenedy 1972 DC Pr69 was 110.00 anyone think these close to Proof 69?
I almost bid on an SGS Graded Lincoln the other night. A strange feeling similar to "Spidey Sense" came over me every time I passed the mouse over the "submit" button and I aborted the bid. Something in the pics I keyed on. Real glad I passed on it now.
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PR70 is the highest grade, consequently common sense would provide that a true PR70 coin would have to be, for all intents and purposes, "perfect." When a coin that is CLEARLY (look at the pic!) NOT perfect, and the owner believes that the coin really is PR70, you've just got to wonder.
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oWell thank you for the post well then who is decent grader? that does not overcharge for services? I have some cameo Kenedies I'd like to slab seems like when they get in the air they start to tarnish that quick and right now there in a plastic sealed cylinder...any idea's "
Consider this a learning experience, pick up the pieces, and walk away. Don't deal in SGS graded coins, period. They will put a 70 sticker on anything. The lowest on the food chain you should ever go, IMO, is ICG and then only if the coin looks exceptional. Otherwise stick to PCGS, NGC or ANACS graded coins. Everything else is usually a waste of time.
Ok I finally got my Holders for the Kenedies and was able to take a picture before sealing them into their holders. I think these Cameo's are perfect would grade close to Proof 69 and think their worth slabbing don't you? I also took a pic of one that is holdered any idea what grade you would put on these great looking Kenedies?
That's funny they were hand picked where I bought them from avillage ( 2382) ranking think they would know what there talking about look at some of their sales. All Cameo's the Proofs is what I don't know about..still think their worth 35 to 40 a piece..Here check another out sorry if they got little dark was overcast today and did not brighten shutter up enough....
I see no frosting at all on the coins pictured. From what I know of others experiences with SGS coins is that these will likely come back somewhere around PF63-65 with no cameo designations. That's my prediction, post your grades when they come so I can see if I was right.
Incidentally, this thread inspired me to submit a complaint to ebay concerning aboncom and anyone else dealing in SGS plastic on ebay. I'll let you all know how it turns out when I get a reply other than an autoresponder.
Yeah I know what a Cameo is are you sure you do? Why would a person who sells coins all the time in ebay list auction as selling cameo's do you think everyone in ebay are stupid? And everyone here are experts? These message boards are becomming a forest if you ask me! Yes they are cams if you had one in front of your face you would see... guess this coin looks better?
<< <i>Yes they are cams if you had one in front of your face you would see... >>
Actually, when I told you the 1972-S proof Kennedy was worth between $7 and $10, I assumed it WAS a cameo. For the coin to be even worth submitting, it would have to grade PR69 and be a full blown two sided DEEP CAMEO. Your coin is most likely to grade PR67CAM or PR68CAM which, again, gives it a value of between $7 and $10.
Well thank you Russ I know they are Cameo's I would not say I saw thousands but I do know a cameo when I see one. I just can't believe they do not bring a higher price than that guess that is why PCGS took their price guides down for Kenedies they were giving the wrong impression they used to have a 1972-S Pr69 DCAM listed for 110.00 I wonder!!!!!!!!
I know a little about what DCAMS are supposed to look like, too. Here's just two that were within arms reach and maybe the pics are really bad, but yours don't look white on the devices at all. The fields are shiny enough, but I don't see any contrast between them and the head.
BTW, the funky holographic effect on the IKE is a reflection off the mirrors. I just cleaned the scanner bed so there's some paper towel lint and a few hairs visible in the pics. I used the highest resolution that I could so that you can clearly see the dime and how frosty white it is as a 70DCAM. The IKE is only a 69 and not quite as white.
It looks to me IKE is smelling something fishy in here...lol j/k Yeah well Russ was a big help and if I get $7 to $10 for them in there 3D Holders I will be happy.....That other pic I posted was not mine but they had a price of $425.00 for that coin now what do you think of that price?...lol If your interested here is the site I copied paste it for ya..lmao http://www.cameoproofcoins.com/inventory.php?cat=1&sub=4
I wasn't arguing with Russ but when everyone is trying to put their Indian Head cents in the mix like>[ Larry] I think he needs to go back to SGS grading school with those other 2 guys:-)
Here is one of my 1972-S CAM now I think it looks better than that IKE you are showing..this is a true CAM Larry eat your heart out..lol Kenedy Half 1972-S CAM
<< <i>I wasn't arguing with Russ but when everyone is trying to put their Indian Head cents in the mix like>[ Larry] I think he needs to go back to SGS grading school with those other 2 guys:-) >>
shadoan
Is that the best rude, insulting remark you you could come up with? You may need better to hang in here.
Don't get bent out of shape over a simple question.
The problem is that the coins are not in front of folks here. The images you posted of your coins show little to no frost. They look to be brilliant proofs. Your last image is better. Go back and look at the images you have posted and tell me they look CAM.
<< <i>All Cameo's the Proofs is what I don't know about >>
Your post sounded as you were confused as to what proofs and the term CAM means.
No insult intended. I was only trying to help you.
Shadoan--This thread has gone on a little long and become repetitive but I would like to say I think that, although you have tended to become argumentative, you've tried to present your case your coins are cameos and should be worth more. I might have missed something along the line as your posts are sometimes confusing. I just purchased a 1962 proof set for $8.50--the half, dime and cent have nice mirrors and frosty devices (I'm guessing about PR65). I'm not a cameo or modern collector. I do know that I wouldn't spend $90 to have them graded--which is what board members have been trying to tell you--don't submit a coin that won't be worth the grading fee. There a number of modern collectors (Franklin, Kennedy, etc.) on this board who have probably forgotten more about proofs and cameos than most of us will ever know. I'd advise you to listen to them.
Ah, there it is! The infamous 5 O'Clock bearded Franklin Proof.
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The coin you posted isn't worth the cost of the submission fee.
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<< <i>still think their worth 35 to 40 a piece. >>
The coin you pictured is worth $7 to $10.
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Are you really sure of the meaning of the term cameo?
You're wasting a lot of money. I have a 1981-S PCGS PR69DCAM that I can't even get $20 for, OK?
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Actually, when I told you the 1972-S proof Kennedy was worth between $7 and $10, I assumed it WAS a cameo. For the coin to be even worth submitting, it would have to grade PR69 and be a full blown two sided DEEP CAMEO. Your coin is most likely to grade PR67CAM or PR68CAM which, again, gives it a value of between $7 and $10.
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I know a little about what DCAMS are supposed to look like, too. Here's just two that were within arms reach and maybe the pics are really bad, but yours don't look white on the devices at all. The fields are shiny enough, but I don't see any contrast between them and the head.
BTW, the funky holographic effect on the IKE is a reflection off the mirrors. I just cleaned the scanner bed so there's some paper towel lint and a few hairs visible in the pics. I used the highest resolution that I could so that you can clearly see the dime and how frosty white it is as a 70DCAM. The IKE is only a 69 and not quite as white.
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<< <i>I wasn't arguing with Russ but when everyone is trying to put their Indian Head cents in the mix like>[ Larry] I think he needs to go back to SGS grading school with those other 2 guys:-)
shadoan
Is that the best rude, insulting remark you you could come up with?
You may need better to hang in here.
Don't get bent out of shape over a simple question.
The problem is that the coins are not in front of folks here.
The images you posted of your coins show little to no frost.
They look to be brilliant proofs. Your last image is better.
Go back and look at the images you have posted and tell me they look CAM.
<< <i>All Cameo's the Proofs is what I don't know about >>
Your post sounded as you were confused as to what proofs and the term CAM means.
No insult intended. I was only trying to help you.
I'm sorry you got had by SGS.
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Ah, there it is! The infamous 5 O'Clock bearded Franklin Proof.
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