Is the Short Set of Walkers really collected or is it just for investors?
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I've never met a real collector that limited himself to the 41-47 short set. Anyone out there want to be the first?
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The medium set, as I always liked to call it, was the 1934-1947 set, was more exciting than even the short set because it included the famed 1938-D walker (well...... famous back in the early 1970's before its reputation became diluted)
I would consider the 1941-1947 short walker set similar to the 1941-1945 short merc set or the 1941-1964 dime and quarter sets, etc.
Investor sets???? No, the ultimate collector sets, circulated or uncirculated.
I originally did the 1934-1958 lincoln set in BU. Then expanded it to 1933-1958 then 1932-1958 then last 1927-1958. Then a few dates in the 1920's and teens. I remembering getting distressed in not finding the 1926-S cent in red BU. I thought everyone was hiding them from me. I actually became defensive about not finding one. It caused me to stop collecting cents. Now, that defins the term "stopper" quite well.
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I beg to differ. The short set of walkers is a collectors paradise. The affordable set of walkers. Interesting enough to include some famous semi-keys such as the 1941-S, etc.
The medium set, as I always liked to call it, was the 1934-1947 set, was more exciting than even the short set because it included the famed 1938-D walker (well...... famous back in the early 1970's before its reputation became diluted)
I would consider the 1941-1947 short walker set similar to the 1941-1945 short merc set or the 1941-1964 dime and quarter sets, etc.
Investor sets???? No, the ultimate collector sets, circulated or uncirculated.
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oreville sums the above up well i think it is a great looking set of coins affordable by many in uncirculated and again extremely beautiful coins even the silver american eagle took its design from the walker and the perfect set for silver eagle collectors to gravatite to
and really higher mintstate walkers in the short set thaT have thick original undipped skins with rainbow toning are extremely rare and undervalued coins
go try to find one
as the walker with its design just does not lend itself well to developing rainbow target toning
and with all the dipped out blast white even if lustreous white coins
nothing compairs to gem and higher walkers that are eye appealling with great lustre and original thick skinned surfaces forget about the dipped blast white coins who cares
go after the gem to superb gem eye appealling lusterous thick skinned undipped coins these are undervalued and hard to find in the short set dates and if the short set walkers are aLSO rainbow toned you got the ultimate walker a really rare and undervalued short set coin
let the investors buy the dipped blast white coins a dime a dozen yuk yuk
let the collectors obtain the thick skinned gem and higher short set walkers with great lustre and eye appeal and rainbow toned then you really got a good undervalued rare coin and this will beat any blast white dipped investor coin anyday of the week in demand and value
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now a superb gem ms66 thick skinned great eye appealling lusterous rainbow toned both sides never dipped 1941-s walker is the ultimate short set coin a true collector coin that has great value and demand
try to go out and find one...................................... i dare you
michael
best i could afford in 89 was the short set !
had 16 MS65's and 4 in MS64,of course those would be the 41-2-3-4 S mints !
had a spare 42 D in 65 that i sold for 750.00
even the 45 S was about 475.00 back then
sold the set for 7700.00 to a dealer at San Diego in the spring of 89
if i had the bux today i would probably do it all over !
nice coins and recognized as a set.
if you do the homework you could get by for 4-5k in MS65 today.
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My youngest is working on one in AU/Unc, and I have one that is more of a middle set (or the final 40 as I call it; 33-47), although I'm still missing a few.
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<< <i>oreville sums the above up well i think it is a great looking set of coins affordable by many in uncirculated and again extremely beautiful coins even the silver american eagle took its design from the walker and the perfect set for silver eagle collectors to gravatite to
and really higher mintstate walkers in the short set thaT have thick original undipped skins with rainbow toning are extremely rare and undervalued coins
go try to find one
as the walker with its design just does not lend itself well to developing rainbow target toning
and with all the dipped out blast white even if lustreous white coins
nothing compairs to gem and higher walkers that are eye appealling with great lustre and original thick skinned surfaces forget about the dipped blast white coins who cares
go after the gem to superb gem eye appealling lusterous thick skinned undipped coins these are undervalued and hard to find in the short set dates and if the short set walkers are aLSO rainbow toned you got the ultimate walker a really rare and undervalued short set coin
let the investors buy the dipped blast white coins a dime a dozen yuk yuk
let the collectors obtain the thick skinned gem and higher short set walkers with great lustre and eye appeal and rainbow toned then you really got a good undervalued rare coin and this will beat any blast white dipped investor coin anyday of the week in demand and value
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
now a superb gem ms66 thick skinned great eye appealling lusterous rainbow toned both sides never dipped 1941-s walker is the ultimate short set coin a true collector coin that has great value and demand
try to go out and find one...................................... i dare you
michael >>
Honest guys..... michael is not my alternate!
Michael I don't have a picture of my 41-S in PCGS ms66 to show, but it's just as nice as my 1942-S PCGS ms66 below..... BTW... The bright patches in the photo ar enot there in person, it really isn't a very good photo but it's all I have..... Also I have the #2 all time finest of 1933 - 1947 "Late date set", which also includes the short set, (1941 - 1947), which is currently # 5 and still a work in progress..... 95% have gorgeous original toning.... One of these days I will have them all photoed and pictured in my set.
nice reverse,little dark on the obv for my taste,but im sure it is nicer in hand.
typical weak strike for a 40's S mint
Overall ?
SWEET coin !
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original never dipped thick crunchy skinned lusterous white or lusterous toned walkers are where it's at
i really like the 42 d in ms68 and the 47 in ms67 fantastic coins
i think the collector of these coins will be rewarded by not only nice coins that a pleasure to own but will be in demand when you decide to sell them
leave the non special stripped dipped blast white available by the dozen short set walkers to the investors and dealers to obtain by the dozen to place with investors
only buy coins with extraspecial extraordinary qualities coins that are always in demand
michael
<< <i>Puff,
nice reverse,little dark on the obv for my taste,but im sure it is nicer in hand.
typical weak strike for a 40's S mint
Overall ?
SWEET coin !
Proof >>
Proof..... The obverse or reverse isn't near that dark in person, or does it have the white splotches that the photo shows.
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can i come over and look at your walkers ?
will bring my welding helmet as im sure its required to look at those gems !
OH AND GREAT QUESTION BY THE WAY
whitman had the blue folders for the coin sets like lincolns indians mercs buffs walkers etc starting back in the 1950's
well the walker set is such a long many coin set with all the mintmarked coins
and they could not fit the whole walker set in one whitman blue folder
and with even half of the coins in the set the album was heavy and just did bode well
with too many coins for the simple foldout boards
so they came up with a solution ..................ingenious i might add they separated the sets into the first set in one holder and then the short set 1941 to 47 in another holder
the first set is a really expensive task for unc grades
so many started to collect the second album the short set so to speak short set in higher grades of unc as it was a more reasonable completeable set in really nice choice and gem unc for many more collectors
i think the whitman album for the short set i think they started doing this in the middle 1950's or thereabouts??
so it became popular and it stuck i think even pcgs has a registry short walker set too
and in choice and gem unc the coins are one of the most attractive coins these walker half dollars and collectors always have liked bigger more substancial silver coins to collect
same thing with the 55 dolubled lincoln cent die and the 37-d three legged buffalo nickel if not for the red book listing these two die varities in the red book and whitman putting them all in their albums since the 50's they created demand to such that both error coins are now part of the set
which they are not
but the red book and whitman coin albums have included these two coins for decades in the red books and whitman albums that well they became part of the set and remember whitman i think was for many decades publisher of the red book?? see the connection they created demand
same thing with wayte raymond he only created the national coin albums to promote collecting sets coin sets by date and mintmark he did this to sell his way oversupply of dated coin rolls he had by the thousands and created overnight demand you buy an album to collect you fill it!!
just like whitman did with the short set walkers and by putting the 55 doubled die and 37-d three legged buff in the red book everyone bought a red book then got an album now it created demand and has stuck to this day
michael
PCGS and NGC both have "3" Walker sets.... There's the Complete set (1916 - 1947 total 65 coins), then there's the intermediate set comonly known a s the "Late Date set" (1933 - 1947 total of 40 coins), then the "Short Set" (1941 - 1947 total of 20 coins)....
NGC's Late Date set starts at 1934 instead of 1933-S, (39 coins), why I don't know except that the 1933-S gets rather expensive in grade of ms65 up.
My main focus at present is the 1933 - 1947 late date set which is currently ranked #2..... But it's still a work in progress.
It did cause me to expand to finish the set...but most of my pre-41s are in VG-VF condition....now working on upgrading them a bit at a time....but I still love looking at that pretty short set dansco album...
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Apparently, they are still sorta popular. Sold last night for well over $13,000:
https://scoins.com/lot.aspx?a=30&l=815
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I don’t disagree that the “short sets” might be popular. However, I wouldn’t use what looks to be an unusual, attractively toned set of unknown grades/quality as an example to support that viewpoint.
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The "short set": staple of COINage full page ads in a "deluxe album" alongside worn Bust Halves (dates our choice) and $400 $20 libs.
Kind of miss those days...
I don’t know, cause I kinda like the look of this set from a collector’s standpoint. Who wouldn’t want a beautiful set of Walkers?
When people (collectors) are paying nearly six figures for finest known pop 1/0 short set Walkers; they have elevated FAR BEYOND the level of simple bullion investors.
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My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Back in May I finally finished the short set in 65 to 66. I have a couple from the 30s and I will probably go ahead and finish the middle set.
Boy I hope whoever won that Scotsman lot actually viewed the coins in person. Scotsman certainly knows how to submit to PCGS or NGC and chose to auction as an album. Although I guess the consignor could have insisted on selling raw.
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I buy those short set pieces MS64-66 as type material for retail inventory as deal permits. Not a set builder just stack some assorted pieces of those in show case. If the deal is there (say 10 pct behind CDN Bid - sure I may buy some). I like wellstruck white, gemmy, pieces with super luster. They are strong sellers. Then I might have a PMG graded large size NBN next to them or for that matter stack of graded notes. Maybe a 1930 PCCGS MS64 SLQ w super luster nearby (a $375 coin). Then a PCGS 1918 SLQ MS64 at $415 next to it.
yes ive spent a while collecting morgans, then peace dollars, now im going for the half dollars specifically the walker but also the franklin ive gotten to that spot collecting morgans where they are just too expensive for me bei(g disabled. anyway wish me luck on my quest
Started looking for slabbed Franks they seem really cheap (CPG mag). Many around slab cost. Want pickup some for show retail.
I've been building a long short set of walkers for about 4 years now. I started with the late dates as I love mint state walkers but now collect the 30s dates as well. 40s are all Gem or near gem and the 30s are all (lightly) circulated. Only missing one lone 40s date and then I need 6 from the 30s. They're great coins and I love collecting them. Building this set will be one of the few hobby endeavors I actually think I will see through.
I have thought about it because I have World War II sets of the cents, War Nickels and a Mercury Dime short set. The World War II Walkers interest me, and it's not that much more effort to complete the short set. I have just never gotten around to it. It's also a bigger investment than the cent, nickel and dime sets.
I suppose I could do the Washington Quarters too, but among all the modern coins, they are my least favorite. I think that the pre-statehood quarters and dull and boring.
Dansco came up with the quintessential perfect method of collecting Walking Liberty halves for those not interested in the "Short Set".
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My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
I’m very slowly working on 2 album sets of Walkers in Wayte Raymond albums. The first one is the earlier dates and these are circulated. The second one is the short set later dates where I’m collecting them as uncirculated. I don’t like mixing circulated coins with uncirculated ones in the same set and I think dividing them up as 2 sets is great, otherwise I’d end up with all the late dates as circulated. Here’s one of the coins from the late date set album, just cause I like pictures. It’s getting some peripheral rainbow toning after being in the album for about 15 years
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Never been a fan of the one a year sets, sorry.
The short set used to sort of be mandatory for walker collectors, as the Whitman album second collection was 1941-1947. But even in high school in the mid-1970’s I was working on the early dates as well, just in much lower grades Lol! The short set in AU/BU was quite doable back then, even on a modest budget….and remains so.
I'm doing a F/VF early set with similar appearance.
The classic beauty and feel of Walkers was my passion back in the oughts. Couldn't get enough of them!
Built a half dozen complete sets and a dozen AU-Unc short sets. I started the short sets with 1940 - they fit nicely on two pages of the Dansco 2x2 stockbook. Nothing slabbed, just nice mostly matched raw sets.
They remind me of the 38 D Buffalo Nickel on steroids. Beautiful coin and an attractive one is available for not much money, but I wouldn't consider it to be a collector or an investment coin. Just eye candy.
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I had a complete collection of Walker's in good to vf condition, taken 100% out of circulation in my grandparents store in the early 50's. I feel certain that my grandfather never purchased a single coin. Regardless, when he died in 1978 he left my Father, Aunt and Uncle a container with $907 in silver coin. I was allowed to go through the coins first and add to my collections which finished the washingtons, walkers and almost all of the mercury's less the 16D and a few others. I had most of the washington's and the walkers, but not the keys and sure enough the keys were there. In 1980, silver went so high I sold all for bullion, but the keys and sold them individually later.
About 6 years ago, I completed a short set of BU walkers, then 33 up with only 3 AU58's, then moved to 27 up with several in XF to AU pre 1933. Then it became out of my affordability range and gave it up.
I think for the average collector, it is hard to even think they might attempt a BU set of walkers, so the short set might open the door for the challenge. JMO
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I did review it in person, and found a majority of the coins to be astoundingly beautiful. However, in my notes, I only graded them MS-63/4 with a couple exceptions. I was told multiple dealers were battling over the set and it ended up going to a dealer on the floor.
Incidentally, the very next lot was the same short set of Walkers, only it WAS certified MS-65/7, and incredibly, that set sold for only about a third of what the non-certified album set went for!
On the web: http://www.earlyus.com
Short sets were for collectors who were short on cash for the long set. Plus they didn't used to be hard to put together with uncirculated specimens. 20 years later, it was probably a good investment for collectors.
It's a nice set but if I were doing something less than the entire Walker set, I'd probably do all the San Fran coins. It's almost a date set.
They one of my fav RCI. Inexpensive, historical, easy to manage.
A coin club friend has a short Walker set in PCGS. It’s compl but he’s upgrading. With them on his PCGS app he has all info from his phone, etc.
I like these as they affordable, etc. Collect what you like, fits your budget. Many type investors like this material.
I completed mine not all that long ago, in MS-66 or better. It becomes tougher if you want half way decent strikes on the S mints (especially the '41, '42 and '44).
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