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What is your opinion of the toning on this Jefferson nickel?
exposer
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This question was asked in the Q&A section, to which David replied...."There is a person out of Chicago who does incredible toned jobs on nickels and the color looks something like this. But he does mostly expensive Buffalo nickels. "
I wonder why he doesn't just come out and say Nick Ciancio is the great Buffalo nickel doctor he is talking about? Mr Ciancio even brags at major shows about the thousands of coins he has slid past PCGS graders over the years.
BTW he is in Niles, IL., not Chicago.
I wonder why he doesn't just come out and say Nick Ciancio is the great Buffalo nickel doctor he is talking about? Mr Ciancio even brags at major shows about the thousands of coins he has slid past PCGS graders over the years.
BTW he is in Niles, IL., not Chicago.
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BTW, regardless of what Hall says, this doctor had nothing to do with that nickel.
Russ, NCNE
al h.
It's the one you loved and said was "PCGS MS65PQ".
Russ, NCNE
the coin you just received back as AT?? i really see nothing wrong with it myself. i just won 9 Jeffersons at a local club auction last night, 1948-S. the tone isn't as vibrant as your 1942-D but is nonetheless similar and the coins are from a members original role.
this is the second batch he's sold at our auctions. all the coins have screaming original luster, very clean mark free surfaces and appear to be the "knob S" variety. two seem likely FS but the best struck coin which is indeed FS has a contact mark under the first pillar!! incidentally, it's the only mark of significance on the coin. just like Real Estate------location, location, location!!!!
again, you're coin appears OK to me. of course, that's a scan assessment from a guy who admittedly isn't an AT expert. nickel tones nicer than many are used to seeing.trust me on that.
al h.
It'll be off to NGC shortly, so we'll see what they have to say about it (I'm stubborn).
Russ, NCNE
I'm all ears.
stubbornness can be an asset!! i think that jeff will look nice in the NGC white holder. and i also think it will arrive as an MS66 non-FS, unless they've tightened their collective belts over there.
al h.
<< <i>That coin is not Nicks work. >>
Well, can you show us some of this person's work?
If you've got a copy of the PCGS grading guide, I believe one of his best jobs is pictured as an MS69 (if I remember correctly). I understand that PCGS was mighty embarrassed to later learn they'd not only certified the coin, but had featured it in their book.
GSAGUY
Now, having said all that I've said, this information was provided to me by a 'major' collector who knows all the coin doctors.
GSAGUY
I was just going to ask you if that was the one. Reading the description PCGS attached, I'd guess they would be a bit embarrassed.
Russ, NCNE
Maybe that's why it got pulled from production? Oh, I better watch it I might get banned huh?
Russ, NCNE
"I find it hard to believe any post or exposes on coin doctors from a poster who hides their identity on the forums"
While I, too, prefer that people not hide their identities, good reasons for doing so have been noted in a number of threads on this forum. I think the more important issue is whether "exposer" is providing accurate information or not and, as of yet, I haven't seen anyone (including you) dispute his information.
Edited to add: Apparently, there was some confusion over the above post. It was not meant to confirm or dispute the accounts given by "exposer".
While I do not approve of what he does or did with coins, I do like the man and call him a friend.
TBT >>
I suppose your last statement means that you know this man engaged in these activities. Thats what I get from your last sentence. If he has gotten coins through PCGS and then sold them for profit, that is a criminal act. Dangerous stuff.
“I would recommend you getting to know Nick C. before you trash his name…..”
“While I do not approve of what he does or did with coins, I do like the man and call him a friend.”
“We do not have any of his coins nor have ever sold any to my knowledge…..just to get that out of the way (bloods in the water!). “
“They tend to be evenly blue gold’s on buffalos, Jefferson’s and IKEs. Concentric toning but very even and hard to detect. His putty work is also hard to see but it turns dark within months.”
“It’s the truth as I have seen it done at the show.”
“I have seen the coins worked on but nothing past that. The service all know but they also still accept the coins.”
Acquaintance may have been a better word; if what you are claiming is true.
<< <i>By calling a known doctor of coins a “friend” you put yourself in a perspective that doesn’t look too good. >>
Hey! I have friends who are liberals. Just because I think their philosophy is evil doesn't mean I can't be their friend.
Russ, NCNE
The real point to all of this, as far as I'm concerned, is to expose those that hurt numismatics and get rid of them as quickly as possible. They are like a cancer to the industry. If left un-treated they will destroy the industry. I have no clout with anyone. I'm just a small voice. I would like to propose that the grading services make a BETTER effort not to do business with these doctors. I would also like to see the ANA, FUN, Central States and others refuse to allow these doctors to have or share tables at any shows. Cut off the head and the snake will die!!! Maybe some of the larger dealers can make this happen. I hope so.
<< <i>Nick has a lot of knowledge and a great personality >>
A lot of people that do a substantial amount of damage to others have "knowledge and a great personality." Charisma is not an adequate stand in for ethics.
And as one who does not know Nick, I mention that merely as an observation about life.
Carl
better just stick to coins and forget about call-girl comparisons. after all, it's the oldest profession because there are so many willing customers!! hey, wait a minute. maybe it is a valid comparison. if everyone would jump off the eye-candy bandwagon and stop paying ludicrous premiums for toned coins, there would be less incentive for individuals to doctor coins in the fashion being discussed.
like that will ever happen!!
al h.
Didn't you know that coin doctoring was the second-oldest profession!
GSAGUY
one thing i'll say for this thread, at least we have a name and someone who is willing to state plainly that he has first hand personal knowledge, not heresay. that is a move in the right direction, away from inuendo.
al h.
<< <i>This question was asked in the Q&A section >>
exposer,
Thanks for fixing it.
Russ, NCNE
hey neil
i was the waiter at the restaraunt where they ate said lunch!!
al h.
Carl
The Q&A thread is here.
Russ, NCNE
i only heard tidbits. something on the order of "i know a guy who does some amazing things with potato's......" as i was setting down the skins and when i returned with their entrees this guy had some Jeffersons out on the table. he was drawing these wierd circles of color on the coins with magic markers and then holding the coins and rocking them in the faint flourescent lighting. we got kinda busy and i never had a chance to talk to the guy, though he did leave a healthy tip and one of the colored nickels on the table. i can't really remember what he looked like, but the redhead!!!! WOWZER, her i'd remember in the dark!!
al h.
<< <i>Changing thread titles after a significant number of responses isn't a fair or appropriate thing to do. IMO.
Carl >>
Yes, thanks for fixing it.
Sorry. Deception wasn't my reason, but I see how it could have been taken that way.