Who believes, A man's word is his bond?
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I suspect that many here take this to the heart, whether you are a buyer or a seller. It's expected from each of us but unfortunately this is not entirely true. In this hobby the truth is allowed to sway a little one way or the other. It happens alot but it's tolorable, we accept it and move on. But when that word, that bond is broken by an outright lie and someone pays dearly for it, not only does it break down the creditability of both parties but it is also very damaging to the hobby itself as a whole as it extends to every buyer and seller when they venture into that next transaction. Because of a very few bad apples out there, we all lose a little more faith and trust with each other.
I'm also calling for the opinions from those who, as they say, lurk these forums, which is OK, but what do you think? Do you believe a man's word is his bond?
Leo
I'm also calling for the opinions from those who, as they say, lurk these forums, which is OK, but what do you think? Do you believe a man's word is his bond?
Leo
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To quote Baretta - "and you can take that to the bank!" Though I wouldn't believe a word Blake says now-a-days.
Michael
In this business or hobby whichever may apply to you, there is a lot of room for opinions and differences. I think your word is also only as good as your return policy too, Because of different ideas, opinions, expectations, etc.
If you enter into a deal and two people agree to the terms and what is saposed to take place. It is a done deal. If the seller figures out he sold it too cheap, he honors his end, and if a buyer has second thoughts, he also goes through with the deal, because he said he would.
There are a lot of people here that I believe you could say that their word is as good as gold, and probably others who you can't place much value in. All people value things differently. Some will stick to their word at all costs to them and others will try to wiggle out of a deal for the $$..
I like to think a person is only as good as his word, and that value will be different with all people you come in contact with.
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Brian.
We've all learned from Pres.Clinton that parsing or shading the truth, or even outright lying is accepted as long as noone gets hurt, and that seems to be the standard we live by today even if we're testifying before a Grand Jury or peddeling a VF20 coin as an MS65 on eBay.
I agree, a man's (Or woman's) word should be their bond and I try to live by that credo. Twowood
it seems to me that it's time for all of us to take a deep breath and consider a heartfelt resolution for personal improvement in the comin New Year.
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At the risk of being misunderstood, I believe "my" word is my bond. As for whether anyone else's is, it's live and learn. The world is full of good people who go out of their way to make sure you feel their dealings are satisfactory, even to their own detriment. There are also some who feel it's every man for themselves. I don't know which is the better short-term strategy, but I am certain which is the better long-term strategy. Cynicism is it's own punishment.
and it sets us apart from practitioners and consultants. Gregor
I believe my word means something.I don't think there has been a deal as buyer or seller where I've not told the truth.My word is definitely my bond !
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<< <i>There's no reward for doing the right thing or telling the truth in American society. >>
There shouldn't have to be a "reward." We're not kids here. It's not like getting a prize for being good in the dentist's chair.
You do things because it's the right thing to do, regardless of any reward system.
Clankeye
<< <i>I suspect that many here take this to the heart, whether you are a buyer or a seller. It's expected from each of us but unfortunately this is not entirely true. In this hobby the truth is allowed to sway a little one way or the other. It happens alot but it's tolorable, we accept it and move on. But when that word, that bond is broken by an outright lie and someone pays dearly for it, not only does it break down the creditability of both parties but it is also very damaging to the hobby itself as a whole as it extends to every buyer and seller when they venture into that next transaction. Because of a very few bad apples out there, we all lose a little more faith and trust with each other.
I'm also calling for the opinions from those who, as they say, lurk these forums, which is OK, but what do you think? Do you believe a man's word is his bond?
Leo >>
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Well Leo, for someone who has attempted to impune my integrity, stated things here in this c/u forum as well as in emails directly to us and others and made some very snide remarks and comments about me and dont evenknow me I still could not agree with you more with this statement. So i say,well put. Practice what you preach also Leo. Nor could I agree more the part about those who "lurk these forums" instigating and baiting issues "shooting from the hip" in that pile-on mentality. Just troublemakers,et-al aka dcamfranklin and the likes of his breed. worthless individuals talking crap trying to feel important amidst their guiltridden conscience. Unfortunately Ebay,i.e. this c/u forum is slam full of liars,schemers,backstabbers and cynical minded people who act like children pitching a hissy fit. As far as coin dealers, Ebay happens to be the venue that is where the legitimate trading forums that have kicked all these rotten folks out of and they've run over to ebay in the last 5 or 6 years to skew the very notion of what an [auction] is and have used it for ill-gotten gain. i could name 30 id's right off without research and 20 more who have changed to 20 more once their game is run. they just start all over schemeing again. These people are rotten to the core with felon-mentality and have turned ebay into something it is not about nor was it founded to be for. I know in my heart there is not one soul on here that dont understand the self responsibilty of the auction rules and concepts,yet most will still be fit pitchers anyway if it's self serving and that's a crying shame and i feel quite sure not the way most on here were raised as children and young adults. We sell coins on Ebay auctions. I dont know that there is or ever will be any "Ebay bid your own price approval service forum". That dont even sound right and goes against all logic. Some items go for more than expected,some dont,some dont even open,some are sold elsewhere in the interim but those sold on ebay are auctioned items. The bidder determines the final price. Just like when we buy or consign coins in a heritage bullet sale or an in-house by invite only gallery sale and the like. you bid,you win,you own,period. Also,not every coin has got to be slabbed and many are not worth the money to do so but yet are still bought and sold straight up every day. It's only the overgraded,cleaned,whizzed,crap coin listers who started this return business with ebay coin auctions because they hope it's an idiot on the end of every won bid,not someone who knows better. That said,anyone who bids,wins a raw coin from our auctions and wants it slabbed i stand behind my grade if the buyer wants to spend the money to slab it. I'll re-prescreen it for mishandling,etc and send it in with one of our routine weekly submissions and if it dont grade what i said,they get all their money back + shipping all ways. it makes it,they send me the fees,i return the coin. It goes for example instead of a common date 67 ultra cameo i sold in the raw as such,comes back a 68dcam. That leaves it fair and wide open for both parties and it stays right here at home. It's not up to me to guarantee you they,even myself a profit. Ebay has created thousands of whining wannbe coin dealers as a result of these skewed principles. High bid wins or if no bids they go up again or go elsewhere. we move a lot of coins and are not into playing headgames like the majority of folks on here get off on doing. Theres not a one on here who would say they dont live according to their word being their bond. Probably less than 5% actually know what that really,really means the way God put it in their hearts to use. An even harder part is if you are on the end that is making another live up to that very principle and self responsibility. The coin business is one in which you develope a skill of being able to spot a liar from a mile away and know a cheat when you see one. The truth will always set you free. Now lets see how many of these people actually know how to come around and adhere to these principles. Dont it just make you all wonder why dcamfranklin and about 4 or 5 others wont allow everyone to know them? I know why,I've been in the rare coin business for 25yrs. They're the very scumbags, deal renegers and scheisters in the aforementioned who are not deserving of being allowed to continue buying or selling coins anywhere because they have broken all the rules and are not going to change now either. Put thought into it,seek out who they are. you will find your answers. Leave it as it is,then you dont want to know the truth because it may point right back at you. Everyone have a happy new year.
<< <i>Everyone is guilty of something clankeye. Didn't I see you get away with speeding yesterday? Better go straight down to the highway patrol HQ and demand a ticket, it's the right thing to do. >>
Crito,
If clank got caught speeding, I'm sure that he would have admitted his guilt and accepted the consequences. That is what being accountable for your actions is all about. No, no-one is as pure as the driven snow as far as doing less than honorable things from time to time. However, it says volumes about a persons integrity good or bad, how that person deals with his/her mistakes.
Andy
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You bring up a interesting point. There are days I go through where no matter how hard I try, things just don't turn out the way they should but like you said, we need to keep going because we know it's got to get better. I also like to think that when someone does drive over the speed limit, they will do it again and eventually get caught. It's the same with a thief, when he goes to steal and looks back over his shoulder to see if anyone is looking or sees him, isn't he actually looking to see if he got caught. If you go out to race your car, are you not looking to get a ticket. You will certainly qualify for one if your caught. It also helps not to run around with a bad crowd. Different playmates, different playgrounds is a good rule of thumb.
Alot of great stuff coming in, much better then what I started with.
keep them coming and let's not argue too much, I'm still waiting for a lucker, I mean a new member to come aboard and I don't want to scare them away.
Only consolation is that at least you can live with yourself. Welcome to the new Roman Republic.
Also Crito
I have heard that the revised Roman Empire exist with us today but perhaps it never really had ended but that is another story.
Leo
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If all you do is the above, you will be handsomely rewarded and your reputation will precede you - always.
It matters not if these deeds are good or bad, as long as the world can trust what you say - you will be remembered for your words AND your deeds.
Daily, I have to deal with people who tell me that they will take care of this or that, or they will make sure this or that gets done - - daily, I am let down. Then, all I have to do is remember that these people who are making these promises are merely the hapless and low-paid people that THINK what you say and do have no relationship to each other. They think the problem is solved as long as you are happy when they hang up the phone. They are the people that have mush for brains and believe things like "it's not what you know - it's who you know", they also "understand" people like Bill Clinton.
I am here to tell you right now - it's not who you know - it's what you do that counts.
Always do what you say you are going to do. It will come back to you a thousand times over.
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<< <i>Oh, so you have to be CAUGHT doing the wrong thing before you do the right thing. I see now. Thanks for setting me straight. >>
Crito,
You missed my point. As I said in my original post, "No, no-one is as pure as the driven snow as far as doing less than honorable things from time to time. However, it says volumes about a persons integrity good or bad, how that person deals with his/her mistakes".
Andy
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I wish it were true that for "someone who always does what he says" that he will be rewarded 1000 times over. As I see it, it's the people who stretch the truth on everything and climb over other's backs in the process that get rewarded financially. At least that's been the case for the past 10-15 years. There's been a constant lowering of ethical standards in the world during this period. A by-product was the mess that CEO's (like Enron) have left us. Look at many of the more financially "successful" coin dealers out there today. I doubt they got there by sticking to their word and being totally honest with people.
But I agree that your word is your bond and it's the only real thing that we have. Unfortunately, this belief is held in the minority today.
roadrunner
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People remember that you do what you say you will do.
I'm in business, and my word is important to my customers.
My word is my bond.
That is fact, not a slogan.
Ray
That seems to apply to EVERYTHING nowdays. It seems like everybody has been sent through the propanganda machine and programed to say what everybody wants to hear.
I'm certianly good for my word but when it comes to dealing with others I prefer to write proposals & contracts. Just in case. I have to do that because I'm in the construction biz which has more rip-offs than the coin hobby. Everybody wants something for nothing.
Slavery was law, at one point in time. I'm sure many people didn't do the right thing because they were afraid of what the neighbors would think, or because the law would punish them, or because their families would remember them as traitors.
And I'm also sure clankeye has heard the expression "what's my motivation" in the circles he travels. Rewards are better motivators than penalties, if you really want to change people's behavior. Legal threats only make me mad.
I believe a man's word is his Bond. Every day when i pull out cash to pay for my coffee i am trusting the men and wimen who enacted the laws making the note legal tender for all debts public and private with no backing other then a promise.
"The silver is mine and the gold is mine,' declares the LORD GOD Almighty."
<< <i>I look at cars doing the speed limit as pylons on the highway.....guess I'm in trouble on this forum >>
I live on a 50mph highway. Two people down the road from me were killed earlier this year while they were well off the road setting out their trash and sweeping up the side of the public highway for the benefit of the many people who visit our community every year. Who killed them? Someone who, using your words, looked at cars doing the speed limit as pylons on the highway. Was the driver drunk or under the influencde of drugs? No! He was just in a hurry dodging those other pylons in the highway and lost control, hit two people and ended up in someone else's house 15 or 20 feet from the highway. Speeding is one thing---not great but most of us are probably guilty at one time or another
So I guess you hit a raw nerve with me. And yes, I cannot in any way respect your statement (and I say this with a little grain of salt in acknowledgement of your smileys). Why do so many treat a speed limit as a law that does not need to be obeyed? And why are those the same people who jump up and scream when people speed through their neighborhood? And then their streets become deadend or have speed bumps installed. Maybe we should put speed bumps on Pacific Coast Highway along our beaches here in Malibu.
All I can say is if you want to treat cars doing the speed limit as pylons on the highway, please stay the hell off of Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu!! There are enough visitors on our beaches already, anyway.
I apologize for this rant, but, like I said, you hit a raw nerve!!
And cheers to all for a great New Years Eve/Day and a properous 2003 to follow.
Pete
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<< <i>A man's word is his bond >>
only where cold, hard facts are involved, imo. when subjetivity is introduced, this concept is null & void.
it would work if man were a machine, & could not lie, or be subjective, or have opinions that wax & wane over time, but c'mon, reality is that times change, people change, & the color of statements changes from 1 day to the next.
if i say to you "i give you my word, i will mow your lawn tomorrow", it is an indisputable statement both today & tomorrow, especially if had in writing. but if i say to you "gee, your yard looks nice", that statement is not bonded in any way shape or form. tomorrow, i might hate your yard.
<< <i>A man's word is his bond >>
do not hide behind such statements as a cop-out. take responsibility on yourself.
just my opinoin, not meant in any way to offend, but you ask a bold question, & it demands an honest answer.
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