Opinions on the Pan-Pac Commem

gmarguli

Grade? Color? Like/dislike?

MastaHanky

kieferscoins

Like. MS-66?

Cameron Kiefer

LucyBop

I don't have a clue on grading these halves, but that is some very very nice eye catching toning...

danglen

Looks AT to me But it's a beautiful coin

coinrookie

The toning is awesome. But it makes it very difficult to grade. So MS-65

FatMan

Danglen

I am in no way questioning your opinion about AT. I don't know much about it. So I ask you- what do you see in the scan that brings you to that conclusion?

Thanks

gmarguli

I was just wondering if people liked the color. It is 100% real and the coin is slabbed. Pan-Pacs frequently come with nice color.

I don't own the coin. It is for sale and I was considering it. I like the coin, but a couple of the dark spots give me concern. I wonder what it looks like in person.

keithdagen

I like the color, but agree re: the spots, especially I in America on the reverse and those two spots above and below her left arm on the obverse.

coinguy1

Greg,

The dark areas are quite distracting. And, as you noted, it is an issue that can be found with pretty color fairly frequently, so I'd pass.

mommam17

Greg- Any concerns then don`t buy it. When you find the right coin then go for it. At least that`s what I do! Hunt on.

BillJones

Pan Pac haves have poor luster and toning like this is normal. I'd say this one is at least MS-64 and perhaps MS-65. A very large number of them have circular a toning mark at "Pacific Exposition." If it's not there, there is a good chance the coin has been cleaned.

There are a few marks on Ms. Liberty's left arm, and that's why I can't say for sure that it is an MS-65.

gmarguli

Thanks for everyone's input. It's the kind of coin I would like to own, but I'm not sure if I would keep it or upgrade it later on.

I dislike black spots on coins, but if they are hidden enough or the toning is overwhelming enough, I can live with them.

The comments by coinguy1 were very helpful. Him saying to pass on it means a lot considering who the seller is.

gmarguli

Forgot to mention, it is in an NGC MS64 slab.

roadrunner

Greg, I like the overall look of the coin, spots and all. And as an MS64 I'm not sure how much nicer one could be for the grade. I am far less critical of spots than I am of deficient luster and rubs. Seeing it in person always helps. Always felt that most Pan-Pacs looked dull and lifeless with sort of flat color.

roadrunner

BigE

I think it's a premium coin for its current grade and believe it would upgrade. BUY IT if you can get a deal on it--------BigE

coinguy1

Greg,

I just viewed the images of the coin on my desk top computer and on our web site. Now I recognize it! I bought it, even though I / we usually only handle MS65's and better for that issue, because I thought it was pretty and high end for a 64. That said, if there is anything about it at all that causes you to be unsure, my advice is still the same - pass.

danglen

A lot of AT coins wound up in slabs before the grading services found out what to look for. I like the coin a lot for the grade, but the color still bothers me

Loki

AT or not, I love it! This is one of the nicest ones I've seen. The only concern I would have is how bright a light was used for these pics. In other words, does the toning appear the same under normal lighting or does it appear dark?

shirohniichan

I thought the photos came from Stacks. I like the colors, but not the spots.

toyonakataro

I like that color. I don't really care about spots on this coin. But a deep scratch on eagle's wing is a bit annoying to me.( I know it's not a GEM but...)

Trime

Mark,
Your 2 posts on the Pan Am Commem thread were pretty funny.
Ron

coinguy1

Trime / Ron, funny they might have been, but consistent on the final advice, none-the-less.

mbbiker

Honestly, I don't like the color. I know most people do but it's a little dark for me. Also the dark spots make it even more unapplealing. Just my opinon. If you like it go for it otherwise like you said there are always more avalible somewhere else.


edit for spelling.

BillJones

When I get home at the end of the month, I'll post a picture of the Pan-Pac half in my collection. It's one of the best MS-64s I have ever seen. Yes it's better than this one, but these coins very seldom come in gorgeous condition. Lack of luster is their greatest sin, and if you don't like toning or dipped coins, there will be very few Pan-Pacs haves you will like.

michael

for me pan pacs in 64 65 66 atre undervalued coins and if the early commem narket heats up i think this coin is a real winner

for this coin from the photo it looks like a really nice techniaclly really nice 64 really reaally nice 64! the toning to me i bet is better in person and the coin looks original to me if the coin has that coppery bronze to it then i think it is a monster great coin!!

now as to value if the coin is under 1250 then i think it a great value!

i think it is a coin with a good very good reason to rise in value

the toning is the way it is noyt monster but if the coin was monster it would be in a 65 holder for 3 times more maybe more!

if you atr interested in the coin i think it is worth it to see the coin in person as loangf as you can get a full money back guarantee

even from the scan it is a great coin to me and a great value as i said above

but that is me and i think even with everything said and done from the many opinions on here i tyink this coin has a great chance to do very well

sincerely michael

RNCHSN

Tough to say from the scan, but I'd give it MS-65, and I like the color!

MastaHanky

Greg, would you mind saying who's selling it and how much they want for it?

Higashiyama

Very interesting example! From the scan, I like this coin better than the MS67 on the same sight, and for less that a quarter of the price. The strike looks quite nice, but it is extremely tough to get a sense of coins with darker toning from a scan. Does the obverse really come alive the way it does in the image? Are the dark spots previously discussed really bothersome? In any case, definitely in the cool coin category, and worth looking at on approval.

gmarguli

MastaHanky, the seller of this coin is Pinnacle Rarities and the price tag is $1150.

Our fellow forum member, coinguy1 (Mark Feld) is the seller. He posted a few posts down in this thread. If you're interested in it, I'm sure you can contact him via PM.

Mark, if he buys it, please contact me for my information of where to mail my commission check.

ANACONDA

Sorry, I have a cold.

(Monty Python -- Parrot sketch.)

supercoin

I don't like the spots either, but more importantly, the apparent lack of luster.

But then again, I'm not trying to complete a commem set, either. So I have no motivation to cut a coin some slack because the date is tough to find lustrous. Once I get outside the coins I collect by series, the coin has to impress me all on its own.

michael

lots of really great astute comments on here......and billjones comments really hit home to me!

to find a pan pac with great lustre is uncommon and combined with great original toning and also great lustre is rare........

if you pm me and give me your e mail i will send you a scan of such a coin
i cant post it on here as the file is too big

sincerely michael

BillJones

Hi Supercoin,

There are some coins and token that require you to adjust your standards, significantly increase your collector budget or decide you can’t own one. I’ve got my standards. I won’t collect anything in Good or less. Any VGs and Fines that I own MUST be the finest examples for the grade on the planet, and the coin must be so scarce that I can’t do any better.

One may state that he MUST have Mint State 1877 Indian cent that has the “N” in “ONE” fully struck on the reverse or an 1893-S dollar without the die scratch in the “T” of “LIBERTY.” Those may be laudable goals, but if you buy those coins with those characteristics, the coins are counterfeits. Only one variety of the Proof 1877 Indian cents has that feature and all 1893-S were made from one die pair and all of them have the die scratch.

As much as we not want to believe it, mints are factories and the quality of the product is only as good as the standards that were applied to production.

supercoin

Yes, we're saying the same thing from different angles. That's why my 1972-P Ike is only MS65 (and still worth a lot more than my 1972-S MS68).

But when I get outside my series (and am then a haphazard type collector), you can keep your "72-P". I'll take the prettier cheaper coin.

shirohniichan

But when I get outside my series (and am then a haphazard type collector), you can keep your "72-P". I'll take the prettier cheaper coin.

That sounds like my reason for joining the dark side!

supercoin

I said coin, not token, evil hissing one!

lordmarcovan

Grade? Dunno.

Color? I like it.

Overall, I think it's a pretty coin.




...of course, the Pan-Pac that really lights my fire is the $50 octagonal...