What sets IMEX apart is that the promoters genuinely care about both the coin community and the dealers.
And that's why he scheduled the first show right on top of the long-time South Carolina state show which has been held the last weekend of October for 50 years, eh?
@JW77 said:
Well that's what I thought, so I'm wondering why the 4 better quality CAC Saints I viewed at the Heritage table that I subsequently put very fair market bids on got blown away. I was the underbidder only on 1 out of 4 .
You understand an open outcry auction, so by definition, if you got blown out, then it is your definition of "market" that is faulty.
I would hazard a guess that what you are seeing it the typical "flight to quality" that comes when there is any instability. Butter, Beans, Bullets, and apparently DE have gotten expensive.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
@giantsfan20 said:
Well if 300,000 collectors the show failed big time in getting a fraction of that. Is that fact mentioned in press hyperbole releases to attract dealers?
What was the actual attendence for show it was never mentioned
Feel free to private message me
Why is it a secret? If the number is good, you are making it look bad. In which case, even if it is bad, is there really any harm in confirming that in public?
Or, just say nothing. Inviting people to PM you for a private answer to a public question is just a terrible look. Maybe this isn't the place to promote the show if the people associated with it don't want to, or are not allowed to, answer difficult or uncomfortable questions from knowledgeable numismatists.
With respect to GACC and IMEX, you are correct that they think there is space for a new national for-profit show. TBD on whether or not they are correct. All we know so far is that there was no huge pent up demand for new shows in the late Summer / early Fall in Tampa or Nashville.
Which immediately caused both of them to cancel their next planned shows while they also reassessed.
Is the 2025 Nashville coin show cancelled?
No. After the 2023 show, not before, they announced that it was a bi-annual show and that there would be no show in 2024.
I'm pretty sure there would have been a show in 2024 if 2023 wasn't a disappointment. After all, who plans bi-annual coin shows? As if there is robust demand, but once a year is just too much for the market to hande. They are not Congressional elections.
So, as I suggested, they either canceled, postponed, or just never staged 2024 while they reassessed and regrouped after 2023. Let's hope they were able to identify what was broken and were able to fix it, and that the problem was not just insufficient demand for a show in Nashville.
If a Nashville show CAN BE DONE, I submit that Col. Ellsworth and Mr. Adkins are the ones with the “chops” to get it done. It WILL require a rethink of what is critically important to a coin show. It MAY NOT BE having Steve Forbes on hand to parrot the promoters’ political/economic beliefs. It MAY NOT BE having ridiculous prizes for raffle tickets. It MAY NOT BE letting the venue jerk you around regarding prepping the bourse floor. It MAY BE having more speakers. Probably not, but it MAY BE bringing in ANA-style Exhibits as an adjunct to the show. It MAY BE moving the show out of downtown toward the suburbs on the northeast side of town, near where the “new Opry” is, and the airport too. Downtown Nashville has THE HIGHEST PARKING PRICES of anywhere I have ever been, and that includes midtown Manhattan. A Predators hockey game or a marathon foot race is not enough of a draw to make $90 a day to park reasonable.
Anybody want a 1st Annual IMEX coffee mug? It’s a rare collector’s piece.
One thing I have learned in many years of helping with show management - you can’t please everyone. What some stakeholders have to have will “urine” off other stakeholders. Who are you trying to please? Dealers or collectors? Want proof? Consider the ANA WFoM in Okie City. Dealers seem to hate it, without proven reason. Centrally located collectors are going to love it. ANA is NOT a coin dealers’ trade association. It’s an educational organization.
There are legitimate reasons to not want the show in Oklahoma City. Most importantly, travel difficulties. For example, these are my only 3 non-stop options from any of the NYC airports. (O’Hare would be at least 50 options.) For most international visitors, non-stop flights will be impossible. A connection in NYC would also be impossible, because LGA doesn’t handle international flights, so 3 leg journeys will be typical.
I honestly don’t see an issue with these flights of yours. There is no non-stop option for me to get to OKC and my end result with about $550 RT booking in early March. My RT is thus 2 full days of travel with 2 flights each day and a layover at a hub. ANA will penalize me for not being at my table on Sat. Oh well, perhaps if they were at Rosemont where almost anyone has a direct flight followed by a 10 minute taxi/uber, well I would have time to be at my table on a Sat instead of long travel time B&F. ANA seems to be totally clueless on where to have a show and why convenience is key to get dealer and collector numbers up. But is there really any choice? Supposed to be the biggest show outside of FUN, so really is no other choice on where to table up……………...
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What sets IMEX apart is that the promoters genuinely care about both the coin community and the dealers.
And that's why he scheduled the first show right on top of the long-time South Carolina state show which has been held the last weekend of October for 50 years, eh?
Member ANA, SPMC, SCNA, FUN, CONECA
You understand an open outcry auction, so by definition, if you got blown out, then it is your definition of "market" that is faulty.
I would hazard a guess that what you are seeing it the typical "flight to quality" that comes when there is any instability. Butter, Beans, Bullets, and apparently DE have gotten expensive.
ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
The correct name is Doug Winter (not “Winters”). For whatever reason, I’ve seen the added “s” on many occasions.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Why is it a secret? If the number is good, you are making it look bad. In which case, even if it is bad, is there really any harm in confirming that in public?
Or, just say nothing. Inviting people to PM you for a private answer to a public question is just a terrible look. Maybe this isn't the place to promote the show if the people associated with it don't want to, or are not allowed to, answer difficult or uncomfortable questions from knowledgeable numismatists.
I honestly don’t see an issue with these flights of yours. There is no non-stop option for me to get to OKC and my end result with about $550 RT booking in early March. My RT is thus 2 full days of travel with 2 flights each day and a layover at a hub. ANA will penalize me for not being at my table on Sat. Oh well, perhaps if they were at Rosemont where almost anyone has a direct flight followed by a 10 minute taxi/uber, well I would have time to be at my table on a Sat instead of long travel time B&F. ANA seems to be totally clueless on where to have a show and why convenience is key to get dealer and collector numbers up. But is there really any choice? Supposed to be the biggest show outside of FUN, so really is no other choice on where to table up……………...