I don’t think so or at least I am doing the same. First paragraph was coin worlds interpreted statement and White may not have illustrated a difference, if any, in authorization and limit.
Tuesday should have much better feel.
Silver on October 21st represented 40,999 after sold out order period on 15th and 16th. October 28th essentially showed all sold units.
Big question is at what stage are sales counted. Could be approved orders or payment authorization or internally when vendor considers order completed. What ever the stage is the mint accounted for almost 41k iafter 5 days with silver so processing a large volume is not preventative in recognizing sales number.
If Tuesday pops 15k would be curios where orders came in during 4 min period. I have my doubts on anything close but would think by next Tuesday bulk of orders processed and released mint number will not change much on 3rd week.
extremely slow use of a blade
be cautious with opening
once opened, you won't get it closed nearly as tightly again
be cautious with storage
how are you going to remove the debris?
be especially extra cautious with removal. don't blow on it and don't used canned air
@SONOMOSCA said:
I received mine today. Has anyone tried opening their capsule? I don't know if I'm being too gentle, but the darn thing seems super glued shut. (Just using fingernail and fingers) There seems to be a bit of foreign debris inside and would like to clean it out, or should I just leave it be?
@jwitten said:
My Sunday morning purchase is still pending payment. I used PayPal and thought it was set up to use my credit card but instead it’s drafting from my bank. Hope it goes through…
They did that to me for a silver when my CC was preferred payment I waited for it to clear then removed my bank account from the payments
They really know which coin was struck first? I didn't realize they controlled the production so closely.
How could the #2 and #3 coins struck be graded 69? In theory they should be perfect 70's?
Then #'s 4, 5, 6 , and 7 are 70?
Something is amiss.
Any thoughts on if it was Stacks or the US Mint that thought up running as an auction? I could see the idea being sold in advance to the mint or vice versa. No idea what gold privy are worth but if averaged $20k the mint cuts production from 6 to 1 coins for approx same revenue. Genius business move and keeps privy chasers out of my lane.
How long did it take for your bank draft to go through? Looks like it drafted from my bank for the silver too but I don’t remember it taking so long for the payment to actually go through.
@jwitten said:
My Sunday morning purchase is still pending payment. I used PayPal and thought it was set up to use my credit card but instead it’s drafting from my bank. Hope it goes through…
They did that to me for a silver when my CC was preferred payment I waited for it to clear then removed my bank account from the payments
@Manorcourtman said:
Does anyone believe that 17,500 is going to be near the final sales figure? Does anyone believe it is going to be significantly less than 17,500 despite the claim they minted the full 17.5 k? Any thoughts?
17,500 will be near the total. Who got what is another question altogether. 3 minutes to unavailable led me to believe far under 17,500 were sold online last Thursday morning.
This ^^^. There was a one week lag in the silver sales report before pre-release advance sales were reported.
Likely the same thing here. Last time, though the missing number was 9K+ out of what turned out to be 50K. It will be crazy if the gold turns out to be 9K+ out of 17.5K, although that will certainly explain the immediate sellout.
@coiner said:
Interesting. The PCGS table at Baltimore said it was an available option.
Wish this was worded better:
“But, I do not want to let you know that we are working on offering this label to the public soon. Please check out our label page periodically”
Label now available on PCGS.
This Special Label is available to enhance your collection for just an additional $7 per label.
This label is only available for the 2024 Flowing Hair Gold Coin.
This exclusive label is available only while supplies last.
To receive high-resolution PCGS TrueView Images, please check off “TrueView” service and include an additional $5 per coin being imaged. (PCGS TrueView is not available for Bulk Orders.)
No minimum quantity required.
Not available in conjunction with any other special labels. First Strike pedigrees are available in conjunction with this label for qualifying coins.
Available for standard holders only.
The $7 per coin/label fee is in addition to the selected service level grading fees, with the exception of First Strike. If First Strike (additional $18) is selected the $7 label fee is waived.
For the Flowing Hair Label, under the “Other” line in the service level section of the submission form (Section 7), indicate “Gold Flowing Hair Label #NA” in addition to a service level. The appropriate label will be matched with the corresponding coin.
@coiner said:
Interesting. The PCGS table at Baltimore said it was an available option.
Wish this was worded better:
“But, I do not want to let you know that we are working on offering this label to the public soon. Please check out our label page periodically”
Label now available on PCGS.
This Special Label is available to enhance your collection for just an additional $7 per label.
This label is only available for the 2024 Flowing Hair Gold Coin.
This exclusive label is available only while supplies last.
To receive high-resolution PCGS TrueView Images, please check off “TrueView” service and include an additional $5 per coin being imaged. (PCGS TrueView is not available for Bulk Orders.)
No minimum quantity required.
Not available in conjunction with any other special labels. First Strike pedigrees are available in conjunction with this label for qualifying coins.
Available for standard holders only.
The $7 per coin/label fee is in addition to the selected service level grading fees, with the exception of First Strike. If First Strike (additional $18) is selected the $7 label fee is waived.
For the Flowing Hair Label, under the “Other” line in the service level section of the submission form (Section 7), indicate “Gold Flowing Hair Label #NA” in addition to a service level. The appropriate label will be matched with the corresponding coin.
I'm curious why you have to request a Trueview on an Express level submission (the lowest we can choose for a value of $3640) and add $5. I thought TVs were automatic and included at that level.
@MsMorrisine said:
extremely slow use of a blade
be cautious with opening
once opened, you won't get it closed nearly as tightly again
be cautious with storage
how are you going to remove the debris?
be especially extra cautious with removal. don't blow on it and don't used canned air
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>
I was able to get it opened with just my nails and fingers.
Fortunately most of the debris was attached to the inside of the capsule itself,
which I used a flour sack towel to clean (great at not leaving lint behind).
There was one minuscule piece of debris on the coin which I did blow off with canned air
from approximately 18-20 inches away on roughly a 20º angle.
When closing the capsule, as I rested the top on the bottom, it almost suctioned itself closed again.
Not completely but close. The coin itself was not removed from the capsule as the reverse had no debris.
They really know which coin was struck first? I didn't realize they controlled the production so closely.
How could the #2 and #3 coins struck be graded 69? In theory they should be perfect 70's?
Then #'s 4, 5, 6 , and 7 are 70?
Something is amiss.
This is untrue. You're assuming that only die wear causes the 69s as opposed to simply things like dust and dirt on the planchets or mishandling of the struck coin.
They really know which coin was struck first? I didn't realize they controlled the production so closely.
How could the #2 and #3 coins struck be graded 69? In theory they should be perfect 70's?
Then #'s 4, 5, 6 , and 7 are 70?
Something is amiss.
Any thoughts on if it was Stacks or the US Mint that thought up running as an auction? I could see the idea being sold in advance to the mint or vice versa. No idea what gold privy are worth but if averaged $20k the mint cuts production from 6 to 1 coins for approx same revenue. Genius business move and keeps privy chasers out of my lane.
They did this before with the 1st and last silver eagles when they changed the reverse.
I'm curious why you have to request a Trueview on an Express level submission (the lowest we can choose for a value of $3640) and add $5. I thought TVs were automatic and included at that level.
Good question. Most language was copied and pasted from silver medal label and maybe overlooked?
They really know which coin was struck first? I didn't realize they controlled the production so closely.
How could the #2 and #3 coins struck be graded 69? In theory they should be perfect 70's?
Then #'s 4, 5, 6 , and 7 are 70?
Something is amiss.
Over the years I have seen many coins in 70 slabs with very noticeable scratches and blemishes. Grading is arbitrary. Probably given a 70 to increase auction. Could very well be a 69 in many collectors eyes. Think of what a 69 grade would have done to the value of coin #1 with the die.
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@Bullsitter said:
Got to PLACE ORDER button and it froze.....NA
It seems like people must be using bots to buy these, but I had thought that the US Mint employed anti-bot measures like Cloudflare.
That was always only a Day One thing. Increased transaction processing capabilities and the waiting room eliminated the need.
They never employed any Day Two countermeasures, given that they don't expect to get slammed on anything after the first day. They never did advertise 7:30 a.m. releases, and the only reason to employ any bot countermeasures at all is to try to ensure equitable distribution.
That goes out the window after the first day. If it didn't, they would build a wait list, and give people on the list an opportunity to make a purchase of the coins they release to the website at 7:30 each morning.
By doing something like sending emails in wait list order each day for the number of coins available each day from rejected credit cards, returns, or wherever else those coins come from, with a 24 hour window to make a purchase before releasing the coin to the next person the next day.
They don't do this, because it's too much work and because they just don't care, after the day of release.
These remind me of the Liberty Spouse gold coins (Jackson, Van Buren) proof and the Van Buren proof at 6,807 mintage just sold PR70 PCGS for close to spot.
And I am thankful, the now unpopular spouse gold coins sell at close to spot.! Kind of fun just to grab them and then sell them below spot. In the hope that the value of gold goes up…this coin is not in the same overall butt-ugly league.
@HalfDime said:
These remind me of the Liberty Spouse gold coins (Jackson, Van Buren) proof and the Van Buren proof at 6,807 mintage just sold PR70 PCGS for close to spot.
pr70dcam fs or just pr70? the fs is the added value
Did you guys get a tracking number emailed to you? My status has just said "shipped" for a while but I was never sent tracking and all of the US Mint contact emails get sent back saying they aren't monitored emails
@comma said:
Did you guys get a tracking number emailed to you? My status has just said "shipped" for a while but I was never sent tracking and all of the US Mint contact emails get sent back saying they aren't monitored emails
Login to your account and click "order history". You can then click on your order number and the tracking info is within.
@comma said:
Did you guys get a tracking number emailed to you? My status has just said "shipped" for a while but I was never sent tracking and all of the US Mint contact emails get sent back saying they aren't monitored emails
I've had a couple orders in the past few days ship without the usual Mint email.
If 17,500 max were to have been minted how would ABPP pick up more than 1,750?
“Not all Mint products will be offered through this program, and no more than 10% of products with limited quantities will be distributed under this program.”
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I don’t think so or at least I am doing the same. First paragraph was coin worlds interpreted statement and White may not have illustrated a difference, if any, in authorization and limit.
Tuesday should have much better feel.
Silver on October 21st represented 40,999 after sold out order period on 15th and 16th. October 28th essentially showed all sold units.
Big question is at what stage are sales counted. Could be approved orders or payment authorization or internally when vendor considers order completed. What ever the stage is the mint accounted for almost 41k iafter 5 days with silver so processing a large volume is not preventative in recognizing sales number.
If Tuesday pops 15k would be curios where orders came in during 4 min period. I have my doubts on anything close but would think by next Tuesday bulk of orders processed and released mint number will not change much on 3rd week.
They really know which coin was struck first? I didn't realize they controlled the production so closely.
How could the #2 and #3 coins struck be graded 69? In theory they should be perfect 70's?
Then #'s 4, 5, 6 , and 7 are 70?
Something is amiss.
extremely slow use of a blade
be cautious with opening
once opened, you won't get it closed nearly as tightly again
be cautious with storage
how are you going to remove the debris?
be especially extra cautious with removal. don't blow on it and don't used canned air
That assumes the planchets are perfect.
They did that to me for a silver when my CC was preferred payment I waited for it to clear then removed my bank account from the payments
green arrow to gold shield
adding a gold shield to a regular label is not impossible
Any thoughts on if it was Stacks or the US Mint that thought up running as an auction? I could see the idea being sold in advance to the mint or vice versa. No idea what gold privy are worth but if averaged $20k the mint cuts production from 6 to 1 coins for approx same revenue. Genius business move and keeps privy chasers out of my lane.
How long did it take for your bank draft to go through? Looks like it drafted from my bank for the silver too but I don’t remember it taking so long for the payment to actually go through.
This ^^^. There was a one week lag in the silver sales report before pre-release advance sales were reported.
Likely the same thing here. Last time, though the missing number was 9K+ out of what turned out to be 50K. It will be crazy if the gold turns out to be 9K+ out of 17.5K, although that will certainly explain the immediate sellout.
Label now available on PCGS.
This Special Label is available to enhance your collection for just an additional $7 per label.
This label is only available for the 2024 Flowing Hair Gold Coin.
This exclusive label is available only while supplies last.
To receive high-resolution PCGS TrueView Images, please check off “TrueView” service and include an additional $5 per coin being imaged. (PCGS TrueView is not available for Bulk Orders.)
No minimum quantity required.
Not available in conjunction with any other special labels. First Strike pedigrees are available in conjunction with this label for qualifying coins.
Available for standard holders only.
The $7 per coin/label fee is in addition to the selected service level grading fees, with the exception of First Strike. If First Strike (additional $18) is selected the $7 label fee is waived.
For the Flowing Hair Label, under the “Other” line in the service level section of the submission form (Section 7), indicate “Gold Flowing Hair Label #NA” in addition to a service level. The appropriate label will be matched with the corresponding coin.
Precious Metal Products 24YH 2024 FLOWING HAIR SILVER MEDAL 1 OZ 49,911 11/17/2024
Precious Metal Products 24YG 2024 FLOWING HAIR 24K GOLD PROOF 1 OZ 7,625 11/17/2024
7625 gold proof sold
gold foil labels s--k
I'm curious why you have to request a Trueview on an Express level submission (the lowest we can choose for a value of $3640) and add $5. I thought TVs were automatic and included at that level.
I don't understand your slang. Do you think they are good or bad?
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I was able to get it opened with just my nails and fingers.
Fortunately most of the debris was attached to the inside of the capsule itself,
which I used a flour sack towel to clean (great at not leaving lint behind).
There was one minuscule piece of debris on the coin which I did blow off with canned air
from approximately 18-20 inches away on roughly a 20º angle.
When closing the capsule, as I rested the top on the bottom, it almost suctioned itself closed again.
Not completely but close. The coin itself was not removed from the capsule as the reverse had no debris.
yeah. forgot to mention to keep coins opened on the half shell. so much safer
Watch case opener tools are used in the biz to deal with those stubborn capsules. They’re cheap and really come in handy.
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Don't feel these are foil. More of a yellow colored paper version of the same gray paper version used on medals.
This is untrue. You're assuming that only die wear causes the 69s as opposed to simply things like dust and dirt on the planchets or mishandling of the struck coin.
dust doesn't make a 69
.> @Liquidated said:
They did this before with the 1st and last silver eagles when they changed the reverse.
Good question. Most language was copied and pasted from silver medal label and maybe overlooked?
Error
split second availability today
I refreshed Mint website over and over again and saw nothing available this AM.
52 today. I didn’t even see the button turn red.
Got to PLACE ORDER button and it froze.....NA
Over the years I have seen many coins in 70 slabs with very noticeable scratches and blemishes. Grading is arbitrary. Probably given a 70 to increase auction. Could very well be a 69 in many collectors eyes. Think of what a 69 grade would have done to the value of coin #1 with the die.
🤑🤑🤨🤨😲😲
It seems like people must be using bots to buy these, but I had thought that the US Mint employed anti-bot measures like Cloudflare.
Current bid: $95,000
That was always only a Day One thing. Increased transaction processing capabilities and the waiting room eliminated the need.
They never employed any Day Two countermeasures, given that they don't expect to get slammed on anything after the first day. They never did advertise 7:30 a.m. releases, and the only reason to employ any bot countermeasures at all is to try to ensure equitable distribution.
That goes out the window after the first day. If it didn't, they would build a wait list, and give people on the list an opportunity to make a purchase of the coins they release to the website at 7:30 each morning.
By doing something like sending emails in wait list order each day for the number of coins available each day from rejected credit cards, returns, or wherever else those coins come from, with a 24 hour window to make a purchase before releasing the coin to the next person the next day.
They don't do this, because it's too much work and because they just don't care, after the day of release.
These remind me of the Liberty Spouse gold coins (Jackson, Van Buren) proof and the Van Buren proof at 6,807 mintage just sold PR70 PCGS for close to spot.
And I am thankful, the now unpopular spouse gold coins sell at close to spot.! Kind of fun just to grab them and then sell them below spot. In the hope that the value of gold goes up…this coin is not in the same overall butt-ugly league.
pr70dcam fs or just pr70? the fs is the added value
link?
Did you guys get a tracking number emailed to you? My status has just said "shipped" for a while but I was never sent tracking and all of the US Mint contact emails get sent back saying they aren't monitored emails
Login to your account and click "order history". You can then click on your order number and the tracking info is within.
I've had a couple orders in the past few days ship without the usual Mint email.
Arrived.
Now that's what I call coin in hand pics.
Very nice images and coin.
Looks great @Liquidated Now the big question, to grade or leave raw?
Add another $15k......moving up nicely.
Current bid: $110,000
Tough call. Plan all along was to certify but in hand second thoughts
It might help to remove the coin from the capsule.
I know I was glad I did since there were a couple of tiny dust/dirt particles inside.
I used this on low speed and at a distance......worked perfectly.
Thanks. Thought is if certifying will allow PCGS to take care of dust. If kept raw will be hitting that dust.
I purchased two of them from the US Mint and will be keeping both raw.
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Thanks for the update!
Also to Trey too on the daily AM stock report.
52 today.
If 17,500 max were to have been minted how would ABPP pick up more than 1,750?
“Not all Mint products will be offered through this program, and no more than 10% of products with limited quantities will be distributed under this program.”
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