Home U.S. Coin Forum

GTG on this PCGS graded 1916 walker which is stickered by Green CAC. Answer MS-66.

orevilleoreville Posts: 11,950 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 8, 2024 2:59PM in U.S. Coin Forum

The coin looks much MUCH nicer in person. A solid MS-66. The luster is awesome.

A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!

Comments

  • CRHer700CRHer700 Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 7, 2024 6:36PM

    That picture isn't of very high resolution, but MS63?

    God bless all who believe in him. Do unto others what you expect to be done to you. Dubbed a "Committee Secret Agent" by @mr1931S on 7/23/24. Founding member of CU Anti-Troll League since 9/24/24.

  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know its mint state, but the toning is fugly

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 8, 2024 5:03AM

    MS60 - unattractive toning. Needs conservation.

    Coins & Currency
  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,278 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

    Mr_Spud

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Details environmental damage / mold

  • tcollectstcollects Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    it's gotta be something nuts like a 67

  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    UNC Details - Damaged. It's a magician's coin, split in half, and only has an obverse.

    ;)

  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 3,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We only get to see the obverse? Based on the single photo provided, I'll guess MS-66.

    Though it's not my favorite look for a walker, I don't really see any contact marks, and the luster under the crust looks radiant. It looks like a shot at 67 If it were white.

    Founder- Peak Rarities
    Website
    Instagram
    Facebook

  • ToreyTorey Posts: 198 ✭✭✭✭

    65/66, nice thumb. I'm guessing the toning looks better in hand.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,178 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know you and I know what you like. Given that, and given my interpretation of the HA image that looks like it's circa 2010, I will go with MS66. However, that guess is predicated on the coin having terrific luster underneath the toning and having no hidden marks that I can't see in those images. I also assume the reverse looks essentially like the obverse and that both sides are well struck, since it appears the obverse is well struck.

    If you had been an anonymous poster with that image, and I did not know the image was from HA so as to guess a timeframe, I would not have guessed so high and would likely have assumed it was an MS64.

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

    image
  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,421 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • CopperindianCopperindian Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS65 - crusty! Assume rev has a similar look.

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

    PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
    Copperindian

    Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
    Copperindian

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,883 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on a very difficult Obverse only image ... maybe 5 shot 6 ... and probably attractive with thick luster ... but that's a really tough image


    “We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”

    Todd - BHNC #242
  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66

  • knovak1976knovak1976 Posts: 394 ✭✭✭✭

    MS64+

  • shishshish Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why post a GTG without an image of the reverse?
    Sorry, I can't make an educated guess from just the obverse image.

    Liberty Seated and Trade Dollar Specialist
  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,323 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Impossible to grade from that photo.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS66 - toned; but, strong hand, clean body, and fields

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pursuitofliberty said:
    Based on a very difficult Obverse only image ... maybe 5 shot 6 ... and probably attractive with thick luster ... but that's a really tough image

    Same thoughts as well.
    And as @TomB mentioned, I know the OP has some amazing walkers, so assuming he owns the coin, I wouldn’t guess it’s a low MS coin.

    Successful BST transactions with 171 members. Ebeneezer, Tonedeaf, Shane6596, Piano1, Ikenefic, RG, PCGSPhoto, stman, Don'tTelltheWife, Boosibri, Ron1968, snowequities, VTchaser, jrt103, SurfinxHI, 78saen, bp777, FHC, RYK, JTHawaii, Opportunity, Kliao, bigtime36, skanderbeg, split37, thebigeng, acloco, Toninginthblood, OKCC, braddick, Coinflip, robcool, fastfreddie, tightbudget, DBSTrader2, nickelsciolist, relaxn, Eagle eye, soldi, silverman68, ElKevvo, sawyerjosh, Schmitz7, talkingwalnut2, konsole, sharkman987, sniocsu, comma, jesbroken, David1234, biosolar, Sullykerry, Moldnut, erwindoc, MichaelDixon, GotTheBug
  • JBNJBN Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know that one of the P67 examples for the date is toned in a similar fashion.
    Showing great luster (remembering the more matte finish of the first year fields).
    Great strike.
    I'll go for a 67 GTG.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My grade would be "pass." The toning is ugly and terminal in the darkest sections. If you dipped this, you might get an unpleasant surprise with dull spots in those areas. This is an example of where blindly following the CAC sticker would be a mistake. This coin would not be an easy resale to a discriminating buyer.

    It's hard to tell if the frost has been broken on the toned high points from that photo. If it has not, then the technical grade is MS-63. If the mint frost is broken, it's an AU-58.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 8, 2024 2:40PM

    High resolution photos of both sides

    Young Numismatist • My Toned Coins
    Life is roadblocks. Don't let nothing stop you, 'cause we ain't stopping. - DJ Khaled

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I suspect the coin looks much nicer in hand and also the HA slab shot.

    I’m guessing it’s a 66 and it’s not my cup of tea if the coin looks like the picture in hand.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,287 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 8, 2024 7:26AM

    I don’t care if it has a CAC sticker, as I strongly dislike the toning.

    I’ll guess 65.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That’s one without knowing their decision would say no sticker.

    Coins & Currency
  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,673 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coins like that I start at 64 (65-1) and then go up or down based on luster which I can’t really tell from the photo. For radiant Pearlessence glow like many early walkers it could go up to 67

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a 66FH with a nice strike.
    Not a fan of the toning at all but it's not my coin so it doesn't matter.

    Student of numismatics and collector of Morgan dollars
    Successful BST transactions with: Namvet Justindan Mattniss RWW olah_in_MA
    Dantheman984 Toyz4geo SurfinxHI greencopper RWW bigjpst bretsan

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,944 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Torey said:
    I used to own a similar-looking example and I think a forum member might still have it. It was hard to catch the luster in a photo, it didn't help that I used an old cell phone. Super nice in hand though.


    I almost like that one. It would not be my first choice, but it is a nicely preserved piece with old time envelope toning.

    When a piece has a lot of coal black toning, it's a pass for me.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64

    Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc

  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 910 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I were a grading com, which I am not, Would subtract for toning like this

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan13 said:
    Looks like a 66FH with a nice strike.
    Not a fan of the toning at all but it's not my coin so it doesn't matter.

    The “FH” designation is reserved for Standing Liberty quarters.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • shishshish Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 8, 2024 11:11AM

    Thanks for the reverse image, just a guess, MS-65 or 66 depending on the luster.

    Liberty Seated and Trade Dollar Specialist
  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hummingbird_coins said:
    Here's the reverse, it's too bad the photos don't 'blow up'.

    The photos can be enlarged, both on the Heritage site and here, for me.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,950 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @shish said:
    Why post a GTG without an image of the reverse?
    Sorry, I can't make an educated guess from just the obverse image.

    I can. I grade the coin 6 (half of the grade for half of the coin) 😉

    I now know not to forget to show the reverse of the coin as i posted this thread too late at night.

    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!
  • I find the coin to be pretty fantastic although apparently not as well struck as many 1916s. So my guess is MS-64. If it were possible for me to create a matched set with that toning, I would do it.

    James at EarlyUS.com

    On the web: http://www.earlyus.com
  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @hummingbird_coins said:
    Here's the reverse, it's too bad the photos don't 'blow up'.

    The photos can be enlarged, both on the Heritage site and here, for me.

    Yes, it can be enlarged as all photos can. What I meant was it isn't high resolution, so it only gets less defined as you zoom in.

    Young Numismatist • My Toned Coins
    Life is roadblocks. Don't let nothing stop you, 'cause we ain't stopping. - DJ Khaled

  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @hummingbird_coins said:

    @MFeld said:

    @hummingbird_coins said:
    Here's the reverse, it's too bad the photos don't 'blow up'.

    The photos can be enlarged, both on the Heritage site and here, for me.

    Yes, it can be enlarged as all photos can. What I meant was it isn't high resolution, so it only gets less defined as you zoom in.

    I just went to this auction lot on HA and used the HA enlargement only (nothing from my laptop features or on the screen shot I took). This is the screen shot on my laptop of the max enlargement. Seems okay to me but I don't know photography.


    https://youtube.com/watch?v=_KWVk0XeB9o - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Piece Of My Heart
    .
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed

    RLJ 1958 - 2023

  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lilolme said:

    @hummingbird_coins said:

    @MFeld said:

    @hummingbird_coins said:
    Here's the reverse, it's too bad the photos don't 'blow up'.

    The photos can be enlarged, both on the Heritage site and here, for me.

    Yes, it can be enlarged as all photos can. What I meant was it isn't high resolution, so it only gets less defined as you zoom in.

    I just went to this auction lot on HA and used the HA enlargement only (nothing from my laptop features or on the screen shot I took). This is the screen shot on my laptop of the max enlargement. Seems okay to me but I don't know photography.

    Thanks for telling me about that, I had just copied the lot thumbnails because they looked large enough to me. Edited my first comment to include the better quality images.

    Young Numismatist • My Toned Coins
    Life is roadblocks. Don't let nothing stop you, 'cause we ain't stopping. - DJ Khaled

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,557 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It might be PCGS 66 and CAC but it is too crusty for me. It would be a pass for me.

  • orevilleoreville Posts: 11,950 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @golden said:
    It might be PCGS 66 and CAC but it is too crusty for me. It would be a pass for me.

    A little variety is cool.

    I do like crusty coins dated before 1917 but also love white coins dated after 1916.

    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!
  • CopperindianCopperindian Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oreville: love the originality & the excellent detail! Great piece!

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

    PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
    Copperindian

    Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
    Copperindian

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Emoji
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file