sending in some coins to be graded.
USA_Bullion_and_Coin
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USA_Bullion_and_Coin
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USA_Bullion_and_Coin
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That's not a crossover. The submission is raw. Crossover only applies to coins in APPROVED holders.
Good Luck! We will see how accurate your new grading service is. Turn around is 3 months or so.
What service are those coins currently graded? If your “own” grades in a snap holder, they are not crossovers, they are raw. Also, seeing the numbers you use, let’s take the 1945 dime. You declare value at $2500, but you put minimum grade of 63. Well, a 63 is worth $10. I would reconsider your plan here. I don’t believe you will get the results you are expecting, and will probably lose all the grading fees with no return. Some people have tried to help you here, which is probably more than most who have tried your approach have ever gotten in return, and even those helpful people are second guessing that.
I’m not trying to be a Debbie downer here, but I don’t see a successful outcome here, both this thread as well as the expected grading results. Good luck!
Getting professional opinions on those coins is a successful outcome, regardless of the grade.
Fair enough, but there are cheaper and easier ways to figure that out when the “spreads” here are so significant. Take for example the 39-S dime where minimum grade is 63. Declared value is 2500 (more expensive tier) while a 63 in an OGH from a. Named collection, in stacks brought $120. I kind of think we are wasting our time here, but in case it is true that the OP is serious about evolving and learning from the beginning, this is something I would want to know/see before I spent hundreds of dollars to be disappointed.
I get what you're saying and the coins are essentially raw here. I didn't think PCGS had a list of approved companies for crossover though do they?
First, these wouldn't be considered as Crossovers as pointed out earlier.
Second, you are costing yourself a lot of unnecessary return shipping by the amount of declared value you are putting on inferior coins for the desired grade.
I would reevaluate my submission if you have not sent it out already.
I'm not sure. But they must have some standard or everyone could crossover their home slabs.
Since these are in your own self slabbed holders, why have you put a minimum grade? If you want to learn, take them out and send them in and tell them to grade them and get the actual grades. If any come back as details, they'll tell you why (cleaned, scratched, etc...), as opposed to just not crossing it. You can always crack them out and put them back in your homemade slabs if you want, but at least you'll see what the experts grade the coins. Its expensive tuition, but you'll learn something.
As written here the grading cost of this submission not counting the cost of your shipping to PCGS is sitting at $376.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
I second this.
You want the opinions.
Ask yourself what other dealers and collectors have missed in the last 50 years of professional grading?
Ask why they are not already in NGC or PCGS holders?
There is a reason (could be multiple), and you don't know the reason.
I advised thru PM to stop buying coins.
I advised in public to sell them on Ebay
Quit diggin the hole.
This is throwing good money after bad.
That $400 would pay for two days at a seminar or buy properly graded coins.
Listen to what others are telling you and don't grade the coins.
World class opinions on this forum.
I just rant on a soap box.
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I have 8 vouchers
Well, if you have the vouchers already, go for it I guess. Remember that there are fees and shipping though, which will have a cost associated.
I think somebody needs to explain the prepping and shipping process.
The submission is all wrong.
These will not be crossovers but a different grading class.
Don't they need to be broken out and placed in raw flips with labels, rubberbands, etc...
I always have to refresh my memory on just raw coins.
Never done it with snaps.
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After reading advice this is what I'm going to submit.
Based on comments on all my post I estimate 55,63,64,63,62,25,66 fb, 64.
How should I share the results if I get banned?
Send one of us a coded message via pigeon.
As stated before you’re probably not going to get the results you want. You are submitting under the wrong service (that being Crossover) and if I remember correctly they only cross with NGC. > @USA_Bullion_and_Coin said:
That is considered ban-evasion which it appears you are indulging in. I suggest not digging yourself in an even deeper hole and just quit evading the bans as other forms are out there you can go to. But that’s my opinion.
What's he gonna do for 3 months? 😲
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You will have to use Regular ($2500 max value per coin) service level which is $40 per coin. 3 of your coins as listed could be graded under the Economy level which is $23 per coin ($300 max value per coin). In actuality you probably have another 2-3 that would also fit into the Economy service level. Unfortunately you can’t combine Service levels in one submission.
Sorry, I forgot about using the 8 vouchers.
Also on your submission form you would leave the Grade and Cert # blank since these are raw, not graded by an accepted third party grading company’.
- Bob -
MPL's - Lincolns of Color
Central Valley Roosevelts
@USA_Bullion_and_Coin
Please stop the nonsense. If you really want to learn, there are so many better ways. So many better ways to not throw good money after bad.
Seeing that it's the weekend I'll hope by Monday the submission is scraped and you can use the vouchers later (providing you just bought them which seems likely), since you have a year to use them.
The coins, unless you boink them, will not change in three months. The world will still spin in three months (we all hope).
You, if you really pay attention, and get a good light and a good glass, and buy a few books and read and study, look at a few thousand or more images on auction sites and places with the highest quality images, and go to a few shows or shops but don't spend more than $50. on any coins during each visit ... and then what you do buy, show them here and ask questions and try to listen ... in three months YOU will have changed. And if you do those things, YOU will be better for it.
We all thought we knew something at one point. 36 years later in this hobby and I am not afraid to say, I'm still learning.
“We are only their care-takers,” he posed, “if we take good care of them, then centuries from now they may still be here … ”
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I have asked him to submit each coin intended for submission, in the slab for critique and submission building.
Should keep us busy for the weekend.
Maybe he can learn something before the ban hammer strikes him down... lol
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Edit: nvm. Found them.
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
Here's what I am thinking right now.
The 1834 half probably isn't worth it, the 1935 dollar isn't really valuable enough to grade, and the rest of them i think are worth it. LMK what you guys think.
I'll take the "under".
Don't forget that by submitting a crossover you're committing to a minimum $10 per coin Guarantee Premium, not covered by vouchers. Plus another $10 handling fee. Plus shipping fees in both directions.
BTW the 3 cent piece that looks grainy isn't in real life its just a camera issue.
Is the 1945 Mercury Dime the one you presented in another post? If I remember, it was not FB. So why declare its value at $1,000? If you insure these coins for the $4350, which will not be cheap to insure, how are you going to present a credible value to the insurance company should they be lost or stolen?
Jim
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln
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The 1878 Morgan looks AU-55 maybe 58. The 35 Peace looks more 62/63. The 34 Bust Half looks more like a VF-20, and the 3c sliver may get a Detals grade as it could have had some old cleaning. Over all not bad. Some were over graded but that is to be expected, that is why this form is here.
And those generic aftermarket stickers look ridiculous.
This is weird. If you're expecting PCGS to grade far lower than your grades, why didn't you just assign those grades yourself to begin with, then send them raw to PCGS for validation that you know what you're doing? You realize that if they agree to accept them for crossover service (our hosts page says "NGC, ANACS, ICG or other," so perhaps they will) and cross them, then you'll be charged a crossover tax that isn't covered by the vouchers, right?
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
Send them raw.
Your snaps are not real crossovers.
This will be a learning experience.
Take them out of your Coin World Premier Slab Coin Holders. You can always put them back in if you do not like the PCGS grades. PCGS will not return them if they cross.
Let me see. First you were a 17 year old going to their first show to sell. Then you were happy to have found some new grading service. Then you were an expert grader. Then In fact you ARE the new grading service. Then you want advice on coins suppose to be worth thousands of dollars. Surprising for most 17 year old kids. Then it turns out you just want PCGS to grade your coins. When you are told you are doing it all wrong and how much it will cost you come up with 8 free grade vouchers. Then you want to know how to tell all about your results after you get banned. AGAIN. Here is how.
Have the lawyer who ends up defending you after you get caught pulling whatever scam it is you are pulling open a new account here. make the name YUP, FINN GOT BUSTED. maybe HE can tell us what this was all about. James
Well summarized. I really believe the only reason why anyone, including myself is engaging and following this saga is because this poster mentioned, I beleive only one time, they are 17. Thus, some lenience for perhaps a youthful and overzealous young collector that we may have all been in years past? No excuse for lying though. Or at least can have some sympathy for? But are we sure this is a young person? If not then this is futile and unworthy of any lenience.
To the op, if you really want to learn grading, buy some pre slabbed samples from pcgs. You can do inexpensive years. I wasted too much money on grading trying to learn in the beginning and I encourage anyone I do business with that is buying coins to do the same. I finally bought a set of Morgan's from 62-66 so I could actually see what it should look like. Additionally I use coinfacts for their library of image samples to compare against. More expensive coins are tougher to do that with unless you have substantial funds obviously.
To the op, listen to the advice you are getting here. I know from experience they know what they are talking about. They saved me a lot of money by asking questions here. It's better to ask! Learn how to grade for yourself and recognize the signs of cleaning and other damage, and fakes as well. Otherwise you are risking burning through a lot of cash... And yes, you will learn but you won't get that money back except in the form of education. You can get a lot of that education a lot cheaper here, reading books, and researching!
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what's the purpose of the oval stickers?
And is it legal to scrape them off the holders?
Keeper of the VAM Catalog • Professional Coin Imaging • Prime Number Set • World Coins in Early America • British Trade Dollars • Variety Attribution
I’m not going to jump on you, kid. Heck, at 17 coins made up .00000001% of my attention span. Something else I was always hound doggin’ made up about 99.99999%.
I’m a school teacher so the fact that you’re trying means something to me. First thing - SLOW DOWN big dog. Stop trying to conquer the numismatic world with your limited knowledge. Second - PLEASE LISTEN to some of the real experts and veterans on these pages trying to save your numismatic soul. Third - DO NOT make the mistake far too many people do and learn about coins by losing a bunch of money in the process. Fourth - use the money you do have to buy some great coin books. Focus on a specialty or two at first, and get a cursory knowledge on type coins and commemoratives. This will give you a solid foundation.
Note I said FOUNDATION. A foundation is simply the base, or floor, that all will later be built upon. If you’re going to spend money on grading pick maybe five you’re most confident in. Make sure they’re even worth getting graded. Don’t slab something that will gain no value in the plastic. If you have vouchers, then the money has already been spent. So, once again - pick your best.
I cannot stress enough to read, read, read. You kids have a knowledge goldmine via the internet and volumes of printed books us older guys could have only dreamed about at your age. Read the books, read these forums, read other forums, and learn how to parcel out the good info from the static. The Q. David Bowers/Red Book Guides are a decent start. Publications like Numismatic News are great to stay current and contain some excellent coin scholarship throughout. A subscription is only like $30 and worth every penny.
Learn to crawl before you learn to walk. You’re already trying to run and I’m sorry to say it, but all you’re going to do is fall down and bump your head! Best of luck, kid.
Having fun while switching things up and focusing on a next level PCGS slabbed 1950+ type set, while still looking for great examples for the 7070.
Only in Jersey.
You need to image each individually front and reverse closer up.
I am still in the sell it on ebay and buy properly graded CAC coins.
That should be your circle of competence for the next year.
Do the club scene and visit shows. Find a mentor.
You are just throwing money away.
Go look for some high grade Kennedy and other moderns in mint packaging.
Same grading process with more potential home runs. Budget friendly
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It's tuition.
If he sells these - with what grade assigned? - he may still think his grades were accurate. If he gets them graded, no matter what the results, he can study them and recalibrate his eyes.
This is the funniest thing I've seen happen on this forum. He is ignoring every single piece of advice given to him.This guy is truly the gift that keeps giving
When they are stubborn, I am in the burn it $$$ until you learn it camp.
Break it up to three submissions over three months.
Maybe something will click.
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Someone mentioned BNB...
I have a recollection of that member, but can't quite recall the drama that ensued. 🤔
It was entertaining, hilarious and sad if I remember correctly..
Someone with better search skills than I might link an old thread here, as a cautionary tale of sorts.
Might be helpful for the newb.
Actually their is nothing funny about con men. Here are a couple clues.
Finn ignores all statements that impune his character.
Finn is suppose to be a17 years old kid but is also supposedly in possession of a number of
very esoteric coins. 19th century proofs? Really?
Finn obviously knows nothing about submitting to PCGS but then has a number of vouchers given to seasoned coin submitters.
Note this too. This starry eyed kid has not posted to any other thread. there are no Finn likes, agree, etc. on any other thread. All this coin info but none of it interests him. Con men are one way streets. all he cares about is the tricks of coin collecting he needs to learn.
Don't be surprised if a flurry of Finn activity happens shorty. Con men adapt fast. James
Does anyone remember a troll from about 20 years ago, went by the handle “lil’whicher” or something similar.
This is beginning to seem similar.