An interesting approach on eBay ...? (what would you do)
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Anyone ever get a message like this before on eBay?
What would you do or say? Would you even reply at all?
I have received a few messages from this same person but have not replied as I don't think it is the right thing to do nor the best course of action. Am I being overly cautious or would you do the same?
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Because of snipping, I have NOTHING to do with eBay. Life is too short to waste your life in their website. When you bid thousands and someone can outbid you for $1, with no recourse, the devil with it. eBay is no fun. Never again.
I wouldn’t reply.
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I don't know how ebay regulates emails and off-site offers. Might be a little tricky and get negative for you as a seller. If you're interested in selling to him and he wants to buy, you could contact him and possibly give him a BIN offer and still keep it in Ebay. Otherwise, I'd just reply and tell him you don't want to jeopardize your ebay account.
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No reply, why look for trouble if you don't have to
Usually I try to reply to all messages but here it just seems like a no win situation (no matter what you say, not much good can come from it), so that is why I'm not planning to reply.
Would you go so far as to block the person? Or hold off and only do so if they keep sending such messages?
I'd block them.
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At this point, I probably wouldn’t block the person. However, if it would give you some peace of mind, by all means, do it.
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Reply back and tell him you’ll be at Long Beach this week and you can meet up at the coin show itself. Very easy with the added benefit of beefed up security.
I'm not going to be at Long Beach or anywhere near California. I edited out the location but it is in the Midwest.
eBay tends to frown upon off site offers. People get around it but it is against the rules. It is also mentioned that eBay can still charge you a fee if they catch you using their message system to do a deal outside of eBay (I don't know if that has ever been enforced or not though).
Clearly this person is a SCAMMER — stay away
There is no advantage for the buyer to request a sale away from eBay, clearly they are trying to get you away from the security framework of eBay.
BLOCK and REPORT this person. Because the economy is bad, someone might get tempted to deal with them,
but STAY AWAY
Ebay cheats have found a way around ebay's software that looks for evidence (email addresses, phone #s, etc.) of offline transactions. Ebay can read the information on a message but not if it's contained in a photo in a listing.
scam
Plenty of reasons to want to take a transaction off eBay, largely splitting eBay fees or easier communication/brokering larger deals without outside interference.
Back when I sold on eBay, I had a website with the same name as my ebay name. Enterprising folks would find me a few times a year and we'd strike a deal off eBay and basically split the eBay fees. A win/win transaction.
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While I agree with the point about it taking sales off eBay, where a lot of hurt could occur if things go wrong, there is an advantage for a buyer taking a sale off eBay. If the seller saves 10% in fees, it’s not unreasonable for some of that to go to the buyer. So even if a seller has an item listed at their best eBay price, they may be able to offer a discount off eBay. It’s not uncommon to see dealers list on eBay, but in their site a coin is 5-10% less. Same thing on the BST.
A couple recent eBay sales I made, I got messages not about the item at all, but asking what else I have for sale. It is tempting to save fees by selling offline, but that moment when it finally comes time to meet up in person with a rando from eBay, no thanks, I'll pay my 13%.
I would not reply.
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That's the thing, you don't have to meet with anybody. Just run it through paypal, there are still buyer and seller protections. The fees are what, 3% instead? Miles cheaper.
Usually if you're an established professional or have a great reptation, buyers will pay you in a manner that isn't refundable or reversible and doesn't incur fees. For years I was selling on reddit with no buyer or seller protections, just reputation-based trading, and I did well. I've had folks zelle me (basically a simplified wire) for coins. I had one dude mail me $4,000 in cash, which was wild. Took personal checks and postal money orders plenty of times from folks with good reputations, I'd just hold for a bit to make sure payment cleared fine. I never had a problem doing things that way either way.
eBay gets their pound of flesh, but they don't have to get every pound of flesh.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
It worries me.
I have never received such a message or similar.
I get them all the time. I usually respond and tell them it is against ebay rules. I also tell them that the price would not be lower in a direct sale.
Most of the people who do it are just trying to get a price cut. Some of them, however, may be attempting a scam.
I even had one person who told me they were currently unable to buy on ebay due to prior cancelations on their part. I blocked them. Anyone who admits they are a problem buyer...smh...
Agree it's best to avoid this seller but to play "devil's advocate", if it's something that you really want that's listed at a good price and he takes PP or credit cards, how risky can this transaction be? I'm assuming he's showing good pics and he has a lot of positive feedback.
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He messaged me about the items I was selling. And he didn’t give any clue of what he wanted to pay-just to contact him to set up a meeting where he could view the items in person.
No reply.
I had similar message with a watch I had for sale guy hinting at how to contact outside ebay and I just ignored it and sent my best offer. He replied "I don't think you understand what I'm saying here.". I said oh I get it I just have no interest in it.
The fees ebay charges are worth every cent to me personally knowing if I just do what I'm supposed to as a seller I can't get burned. Recently had my first "never received the item" issue. It was only $70 item or so but sure was nice when ebay said don't worry we see the tracking says delivered you're protected.
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With all due respect, isn’t that the whole point of an online auction? Not sure what ‘recourse’ would be necessary/appropriate. Plug in your true max bid and hope for the best.
He messaged me about the items I was selling. And he didn’t give any clue of what he wanted to pay-just to contact him to set up a meeting where he could view the items in person.
Yeah ... no. Oftentimes I carry, and still no. Just no. I don't need to set myself up for trouble.
Even at the safest place (a Police Station) I'm still ID'd and sized up by someone "out of town" (and his spotter), and from there I could be tracked and/or hi-jacked later.
Paranoid? No. But that contact, out of the blue, screams set-up to me.
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I responded to one of those once for a 70-CC half for a below market price ($3200 for an F12). They wanted me to wire the money to them and I got queasy about the lack of protection on the deal. I wanted more information and asked about insurance and didn't get a response. No deal. However, I was suspicious about the off-eBay arrangement from the beginning, mainly due to the low price for the coin.
Buyer beware!
Do not reply and block. My spidey sense and 43 years fighting crime are highly suspect of this contact. Peace Roy
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nope, nope and nope ... phishing expedition ... SCAM
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That violates terms of service. To each their own.
I’m in the Midwest. Skip that guy and meet me instead. Lol. We chat on Instagram frequently.
Respect your opinion on many things numismatic , but cherrypicking off ebay is one of the things I like to do best. Of course, I assume we are playing in different financial ballparks.
Creepy!
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