@jayhawke said:
Gas is so cheap now, I have more money for vintage cards. Keeping this thread on track.
It is cheaper from its consistent all time highs of the last two plus years...but I still wouldn't call it cheap. I wonder how much money went to gas in the last 30 months than to cards? Good question.
Wow - this is where I come to avoid politics and the great divide in our country. Let’s keep it to cards.
High end vintage is healthier than most think. I have been outbid on everything I tried for in REA, current Heritage.
The ‘58 Clemente PSA 7 in REA went quite a bit over VCP, there is a ‘60 Clemente PSA 8 in Heritage I was bidding on - already over VCP with days to go. Bid strong on a ‘53 Paige on EBay - went for a nice price (but I was at least the under bidder). VCP is down on all these cards but in the baseball offseason like this - think we may have bottomed on the blue chip players. Have several bids in on PWCC (first auction I have participated in - figure with the ownership change will give them a shot). Bid over VCP on the cards I am going for and betting I won’t win many (or any).
@brad31 said:
Wow - this is where I come to avoid politics and the great divide in our country. Let’s keep it to cards.
High end vintage is healthier than most think. I have been outbid on everything I tried for in REA, current Heritage.
The ‘58 Clemente PSA 7 in REA went quite a bit over VCP, there is a ‘60 Clemente PSA 8 in Heritage I was bidding on - already over VCP with days to go. Bid strong on a ‘53 Paige on EBay - went for a nice price (but I was at least the under bidder). VCP is down on all these cards but in the baseball offseason like this - think we may have bottomed on the blue chip players. Have several bids in on PWCC (first auction I have participated in - figure with the ownership change will give them a shot). Bid over VCP on the cards I am going for and betting I won’t win many (or any).
I'v seen similar things with bidding. I am kicking myself for passing on a few cards in the last year and a half only to see them rebound and increase.
My method now is simple; if I see a nice vintage card I want that doesn't always surface(whether because of rarity or condition variability), I'm not waiting, because the future price is truly unknown, and in the end if the prices come down, it just means I could buy more nice cards even if I ended up overpaying for one during the high tide that I really liked.
Then if the world truly goes to chit, then it doesn't matter anyway. So may as well enjoy the present instead of worrying about what could happen in the future...but still always keep tabs and have some safeguards in place.
Never pay a commission to an auction company to sell your stuff. Make sure that has been eliminated from your consignment agreement
Always negotiate for a piece of the standard 20% Buyers Premium. If you are consigning over some juicy stuff you should at a minimum get the Hammer Price + 5% = 1.05
If you are consigning juicy high ticket/feature item stuff push for even higher. Push for 1.10 +
Uffdah, do they usually look at per piece or total of consignment? Would one 50k piece be easier for me to move the needle rather that 10 5k pieces? Or about the same?
Thx
I think it just depends. I've sent in stuff where I get 10% on everything and I've sent in stuff where I get a 5-6% on some and 10% on the rest.
Under your 2 scenarios I would put together what you want to sell, approach a couple Auction Houses (I tend to like Heritage and REA) letting them know you are considering a consignment and tell them you won't pay a commission and that you want and additional 10% of the Hammer Price. See what they say and take it from there.
@gemint said:
This is delving too much into politics. I'm not a moderator but let's try to steer this back to the hobby so the thread doesn't get nuked.
I agree. I did not start it. I was only trying to correct and put it straight.
@gemint said:
This is delving too much into politics. I'm not a moderator but let's try to steer this back to the hobby so the thread doesn't get nuked.
I agree. I did not start it. I was only trying to correct and put it straight.
By slinging more mud around you are equally to blame! The only response in which you would not have been part of the problem, would have been NO response.
Most of us are fed up to limit with Political BS yours and otherwise. You could not simply let a comment slide by that you did not agree with, forum rules be damned, TYPICAL!
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
@gemint said:
This is delving too much into politics. I'm not a moderator but let's try to steer this back to the hobby so the thread doesn't get nuked.
I agree. I did not start it. I was only trying to correct and put it straight.
By slinging more mud around you are equally to blame! The only response in which you would not have been part of the problem, would have been NO response.
I understand what you are saying. I really did not want to respond but it really really bothered me.
If we all just stand by and let this crap keep going on and on then we may lose it all. Our country is becoming a 3rd world country very fast. STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS RIGHT
@gemint said:
This is delving too much into politics. I'm not a moderator but let's try to steer this back to the hobby so the thread doesn't get nuked.
I agree. I did not start it. I was only trying to correct and put it straight.
By slinging more mud around you are equally to blame! The only response in which you would not have been part of the problem, would have been NO response.
I understand what you are saying. I really did not want to respond but it really really bothered me.
If we all just stand by and let this crap keep going on and on then we may lose it all. Our country is becoming a 3rd world country very fast. STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS RIGHT
Unfortunately the extremist Republicans can't seem to talk about anything but politics. Prices are coming down because of the Covid bubble bursting, I imagine prices will settle in with a slight increase from the prices just before the pandemic.
Good luck with your auctions, Monte! Knowing you, I'm sure the items are very high end for the grade and will do very well! I'll be interested to hear your thoughts after the auctions are over!
@Harper154 said:
Unfortunately the extremist Republicans can't seem to talk about anything but politics. Prices are coming down because of the Covid bubble bursting, I imagine prices will settle in with a slight increase from the prices just before the pandemic.
No doubt there are some people who have done better, but far more are worse off, thus the declining card prices. In 2021, after all the stimuluses were handed out card prices went through the roof, but for the last year and a half at least most prices are down, some significantly. The Real Estate market is practically zilch or worse. Affordable new home construction no longer exists because of regulations, costs of land, etc.
I bought my first house (interest rate was 7%) for 86,000. Nice first house split level, totally finished. That same house today (30 years later) would sell for $225,000 ( same rate 7%). Median income where I live is around $45,000 up about $6,000 from 1993. You do the math. People can't afford basic simple living.
These same people are the ones that help make the card industry thrive. Losing them, hurts the card industry. Personally I am with countdouglas, I'm doing ok, but my town/city is not doing better.
People were locked in their homes and had vacation money to spend on cards.
must be nice to go on vacations. between my job and coaching travel sports, i'm lucky to have a weekend off. i threw in the towel on coaching teams in november and will stick with my son. maybe i can go on one.
I do have this trading card and consider it the greatest trading card that has ever existed. This card can save the world. If this trading card does not win as the greatest trading card ever, then the United States will not exist starting in 2025 and all humans will be some sort of freakish meld of gross muck, with hopefully, the big comet coming to end it all, and let the cockroaches grow again to 20 feet long and rule this planet.
Unfortunately the extremist Republicans can't seem to talk about anything but politics. Prices are coming down because of the Covid bubble bursting, I imagine prices will settle in with a slight increase from the prices just before the pandemic.
Please give three specific examples of policies that "extreme Republicans" are supporting.
Since it seems this has turned political, name 3 things the Democrats stand for besides , the destruction of our schools, the antisemitism going on in our cities and universities and the complete collapse of our borders.
You can’t alienate half the population and not expect pushback. Everything you may hold dear, may be the opposite for someone else. The party of tolerance is anything but.
Come on guys, there is some good information in this thread. It would be a shame to get it scrubbed. There are a million political sites you can visit to duke it out with each other. Card sites are a welcome respite from political bickering.
the thread is about when the prices of cards are going up. ever how you want to look at it, for the smaller to middle type of collector that spends $100 to $200 per week on the hobby, it's been a difficult ride the last few years. Rent or real estate has gone through the roof, probably wiping out this type of collector. Like I said earlier, my first house is $140,000 more expensive but the median income of my locality has gone up only $6,000. SO affordable living is just really hard for the blue collar/new college grads.
Tack on 20% higher commodities and there alot of people struggling. Trying to dismiss the situation by saying that I'm ok so why isn't everyone else, sounds out of touch to reality to me.
The COVID stance is plausible because so many small businesses went under. Some localities near me had half their restaurants and other small businesses close. And many of those people probably lost everything. Many will never be the same.
Overall though, if talking politics, the whole govt is to blame. They don't seem to be passing policies to help US Citizens. We seemed to be worried about practically every other countries people than our own. To me, the policy of out sourcing a lot of our jobs over the years has never made sense to me. We used to have a booming economy near me about 40 years ago than they started moving toy manufacturing and textile jobs, then NAFTA moved a ton a jobs, now we don't want to produce any energy (coal or gas), like China and Russia do. We used to be #1 at energy. IPHONES are big but they are manufactured in China, Solar panels - China. Now they want to remove farming and farmers. Just what in the heck jobs do they want Americans to have?
Back to cards. Have noticed that high for the grade are going for strong prices. Most of what I bid on this month I tried to get between current VCP and highest ever and didn’t win. On this card I really loved the way it looked and was willing to set the new high as I think it is under-graded. Two others also bid above previous high and the new high was eclipsed by $60. This is my favorite Brock card (as a Cubs fan) and I wanted a nice one.
@brad31 said:
Back to cards. Have noticed that high for the grade are going for strong prices. Most of what I bid on this month I tried to get between current VCP and highest ever and didn’t win. On this card I really loved the way it looked and was willing to set the new high as I think it is under-graded. Two others also bid above previous high and the new high was eclipsed by $60. This is my favorite Brock card (as a Cubs fan) and I wanted a nice one.
That's a beautiful card. Congrats!
How much did it sale for is one of the funniest and most ignorant things I've ever heard.
1963 set is the best of the 60's by far. I don't have many because they are so hard to find in nice shape. I think I had a maris get a 7, mantle 6, kaat 7. I'm not sure I even have any others.
@brad31 said:
Back to cards. Have noticed that high for the grade are going for strong prices. Most of what I bid on this month I tried to get between current VCP and highest ever and didn’t win. On this card I really loved the way it looked and was willing to set the new high as I think it is under-graded. Two others also bid above previous high and the new high was eclipsed by $60. This is my favorite Brock card (as a Cubs fan) and I wanted a nice one.
You wanted a nice one, mission accomplished Great card. 63's in high grade are beautiful.
the thread is about when the prices of cards are going up. ever how you want to look at it, for the smaller to middle type of collector that spends $100 to $200 per week on the hobby, it's been a difficult ride the last few years. Rent or real estate has gone through the roof, probably wiping out this type of collector. Like I said earlier, my first house is $140,000 more expensive but the median income of my locality has gone up only $6,000. SO affordable living is just really hard for the blue collar/new college grads.
Tack on 20% higher commodities and there alot of people struggling. Trying to dismiss the situation by saying that I'm ok so why isn't everyone else, sounds out of touch to reality to me.
The COVID stance is plausible because so many small businesses went under. Some localities near me had half their restaurants and other small businesses close. And many of those people probably lost everything. Many will never be the same.
Overall though, if talking politics, the whole govt is to blame. They don't seem to be passing policies to help US Citizens. We seemed to be worried about practically every other countries people than our own. To me, the policy of out sourcing a lot of our jobs over the years has never made sense to me. We used to have a booming economy near me about 40 years ago than they started moving toy manufacturing and textile jobs, then NAFTA moved a ton a jobs, now we don't want to produce any energy (coal or gas), like China and Russia do. We used to be #1 at energy. IPHONES are big but they are manufactured in China, Solar panels - China. Now they want to remove farming and farmers. Just what in the heck jobs do they want Americans to have?
Yes, the points being made were in relation to price of cards and not in the typical political nature, and it affects us all in our collecting(and of course our lives too).
Also, when does theft and crime start to really take its toll on prices for everything. Theft is basically legal in some states and goes unchecked. What happens when the roving mob groups of thieves realize there are thousand dollar cards stored in bunches at some locations? Collectors(citizens) don't seem to really care until it affects them directly.
the thread is about when the prices of cards are going up. ever how you want to look at it, for the smaller to middle type of collector that spends $100 to $200 per week on the hobby, it's been a difficult ride the last few years. Rent or real estate has gone through the roof, probably wiping out this type of collector. Like I said earlier, my first house is $140,000 more expensive but the median income of my locality has gone up only $6,000. SO affordable living is just really hard for the blue collar/new college grads.
Tack on 20% higher commodities and there alot of people struggling. Trying to dismiss the situation by saying that I'm ok so why isn't everyone else, sounds out of touch to reality to me.
The COVID stance is plausible because so many small businesses went under. Some localities near me had half their restaurants and other small businesses close. And many of those people probably lost everything. Many will never be the same.
Overall though, if talking politics, the whole govt is to blame. They don't seem to be passing policies to help US Citizens. We seemed to be worried about practically every other countries people than our own. To me, the policy of out sourcing a lot of our jobs over the years has never made sense to me. We used to have a booming economy near me about 40 years ago than they started moving toy manufacturing and textile jobs, then NAFTA moved a ton a jobs, now we don't want to produce any energy (coal or gas), like China and Russia do. We used to be #1 at energy. IPHONES are big but they are manufactured in China, Solar panels - China. Now they want to remove farming and farmers. Just what in the heck jobs do they want Americans to have?
Yes, the points being made were in relation to price of cards and not in the typical political nature, and it affects us all in our collecting(and of course our lives too).
Also, when does theft and crime start to really take its toll on prices for everything. Theft is basically legal in some states and goes unchecked. What happens when the roving mob groups of thieves realize there are thousand dollar cards stored in bunches at some locations? Collectors(citizens) don't seem to really care until it affects them directly.
and how do you classify your flagrant disregard for the rules of this forum? Please explain why the rules don't apply to you or pdoidoi ?
Thanks to both of you decimating this thread with political bile , I believe i speak for the majority of us here that say; For the love of God; just stop it already, JUST STOP!
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
1963 is my favorite design of that decade. In my personal collection, I have more cards (17) from that year than from any year. I will trim that number to thirteen (13) after consigning four (4) cards to the upcoming Heritage Winter Auction in January 2024:
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Why is it such a taboo to talk about policies that affect us all, and in this case, sports cards?
It is cheaper from its consistent all time highs of the last two plus years...but I still wouldn't call it cheap. I wonder how much money went to gas in the last 30 months than to cards? Good question.
Wow - this is where I come to avoid politics and the great divide in our country. Let’s keep it to cards.
High end vintage is healthier than most think. I have been outbid on everything I tried for in REA, current Heritage.
The ‘58 Clemente PSA 7 in REA went quite a bit over VCP, there is a ‘60 Clemente PSA 8 in Heritage I was bidding on - already over VCP with days to go. Bid strong on a ‘53 Paige on EBay - went for a nice price (but I was at least the under bidder). VCP is down on all these cards but in the baseball offseason like this - think we may have bottomed on the blue chip players. Have several bids in on PWCC (first auction I have participated in - figure with the ownership change will give them a shot). Bid over VCP on the cards I am going for and betting I won’t win many (or any).
If things ever really start to tank again I am stockpiling T. Paper,food,water. Vintage cardboard does not taste too good,no flavor.
I'v seen similar things with bidding. I am kicking myself for passing on a few cards in the last year and a half only to see them rebound and increase.
My method now is simple; if I see a nice vintage card I want that doesn't always surface(whether because of rarity or condition variability), I'm not waiting, because the future price is truly unknown, and in the end if the prices come down, it just means I could buy more nice cards even if I ended up overpaying for one during the high tide that I really liked.
Then if the world truly goes to chit, then it doesn't matter anyway. So may as well enjoy the present instead of worrying about what could happen in the future...but still always keep tabs and have some safeguards in place.
I think it just depends. I've sent in stuff where I get 10% on everything and I've sent in stuff where I get a 5-6% on some and 10% on the rest.
Under your 2 scenarios I would put together what you want to sell, approach a couple Auction Houses (I tend to like Heritage and REA) letting them know you are considering a consignment and tell them you won't pay a commission and that you want and additional 10% of the Hammer Price. See what they say and take it from there.
Back to cards.....
Did anyone see what some of those 70's and 80's Stargell cards went for in Mile High's auction the other night?
A 1980 Topps Stargell PSA 10 went for $5196. Wow!
A 1976 Topps Stargell PSA 10 went for $5676. Wow again!
A 1975 Topps Stargell PSA 10 went for $13,394. Insane Wow!
Wanted to get this thread back on track with some interesting card stuff.
Hope everyone has a lovely day!
I agree. I did not start it. I was only trying to correct and put it straight.
By slinging more mud around you are equally to blame! The only response in which you would not have been part of the problem, would have been NO response.
Most of us are fed up to limit with Political BS yours and otherwise. You could not simply let a comment slide by that you did not agree with, forum rules be damned, TYPICAL!
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I understand what you are saying. I really did not want to respond but it really really bothered me.
If we all just stand by and let this crap keep going on and on then we may lose it all. Our country is becoming a 3rd world country very fast. STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS RIGHT
So much for getting off of politics
^ @Ridethelightning ; I think we just found a new winner .
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
And I thought junk wax would be good for wiping. I was wrong. SO many paper cuts.
I always thought pops was undervalued. Great player and loved by everyone. Nice to see these results.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ignore list -Basebal21
Unfortunately the extremist Republicans can't seem to talk about anything but politics. Prices are coming down because of the Covid bubble bursting, I imagine prices will settle in with a slight increase from the prices just before the pandemic.
Good luck with your auctions, Monte! Knowing you, I'm sure the items are very high end for the grade and will do very well! I'll be interested to hear your thoughts after the auctions are over!
Jeremy
Me too. For the past couple years I’ve been buying his stuff and never understood why they were so cheap.
I picked up a ‘78 PSA10 a year or so ago for around $200. Just felt like any 78 in that grade and price was a great buy and now I’m really glad!
What prices are coming down ?
The prices of cards are coming down. Who would have ever thought that Tom Brady cards would drop like they have.
those prices are off the chart!!!
must be nice to go on vacations. between my job and coaching travel sports, i'm lucky to have a weekend off. i threw in the towel on coaching teams in november and will stick with my son. maybe i can go on one.
I do have this trading card and consider it the greatest trading card that has ever existed. This card can save the world. If this trading card does not win as the greatest trading card ever, then the United States will not exist starting in 2025 and all humans will be some sort of freakish meld of gross muck, with hopefully, the big comet coming to end it all, and let the cockroaches grow again to 20 feet long and rule this planet.
Unfortunately the extremist Republicans can't seem to talk about anything but politics. Prices are coming down because of the Covid bubble bursting, I imagine prices will settle in with a slight increase from the prices just before the pandemic.
Please give three specific examples of policies that "extreme Republicans" are supporting.
In
Since it seems this has turned political, name 3 things the Democrats stand for besides , the destruction of our schools, the antisemitism going on in our cities and universities and the complete collapse of our borders.
You can’t alienate half the population and not expect pushback. Everything you may hold dear, may be the opposite for someone else. The party of tolerance is anything but.
Come on guys, there is some good information in this thread. It would be a shame to get it scrubbed. There are a million political sites you can visit to duke it out with each other. Card sites are a welcome respite from political bickering.
the thread is about when the prices of cards are going up. ever how you want to look at it, for the smaller to middle type of collector that spends $100 to $200 per week on the hobby, it's been a difficult ride the last few years. Rent or real estate has gone through the roof, probably wiping out this type of collector. Like I said earlier, my first house is $140,000 more expensive but the median income of my locality has gone up only $6,000. SO affordable living is just really hard for the blue collar/new college grads.
Tack on 20% higher commodities and there alot of people struggling. Trying to dismiss the situation by saying that I'm ok so why isn't everyone else, sounds out of touch to reality to me.
The COVID stance is plausible because so many small businesses went under. Some localities near me had half their restaurants and other small businesses close. And many of those people probably lost everything. Many will never be the same.
Overall though, if talking politics, the whole govt is to blame. They don't seem to be passing policies to help US Citizens. We seemed to be worried about practically every other countries people than our own. To me, the policy of out sourcing a lot of our jobs over the years has never made sense to me. We used to have a booming economy near me about 40 years ago than they started moving toy manufacturing and textile jobs, then NAFTA moved a ton a jobs, now we don't want to produce any energy (coal or gas), like China and Russia do. We used to be #1 at energy. IPHONES are big but they are manufactured in China, Solar panels - China. Now they want to remove farming and farmers. Just what in the heck jobs do they want Americans to have?
This thread has gone off the rails from the original topic.
Back to cards. Have noticed that high for the grade are going for strong prices. Most of what I bid on this month I tried to get between current VCP and highest ever and didn’t win. On this card I really loved the way it looked and was willing to set the new high as I think it is under-graded. Two others also bid above previous high and the new high was eclipsed by $60. This is my favorite Brock card (as a Cubs fan) and I wanted a nice one.
And it was such a great topic too.
That's a beautiful card. Congrats!
How much did it sale for is one of the funniest and most ignorant things I've ever heard.
1963 set is the best of the 60's by far. I don't have many because they are so hard to find in nice shape. I think I had a maris get a 7, mantle 6, kaat 7. I'm not sure I even have any others.
You wanted a nice one, mission accomplished
Great card. 63's in high grade are beautiful.
Brock's cards are so undervalued. He was a great player and should get more respect from collectors.
He looks so young in that '63.
SG> @olb31 said:
Yes, the points being made were in relation to price of cards and not in the typical political nature, and it affects us all in our collecting(and of course our lives too).
Also, when does theft and crime start to really take its toll on prices for everything. Theft is basically legal in some states and goes unchecked. What happens when the roving mob groups of thieves realize there are thousand dollar cards stored in bunches at some locations? Collectors(citizens) don't seem to really care until it affects them directly.
and how do you classify your flagrant disregard for the rules of this forum? Please explain why the rules don't apply to you or pdoidoi ?
Thanks to both of you decimating this thread with political bile , I believe i speak for the majority of us here that say; For the love of God; just stop it already, JUST STOP!
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
Brad,
Smart buy and beautiful Brock!
1963 is my favorite design of that decade. In my personal collection, I have more cards (17) from that year than from any year. I will trim that number to thirteen (13) after consigning four (4) cards to the upcoming Heritage Winter Auction in January 2024:
1963 Musial psa-9
1963 Marichal psa-9
1963 Ford psa-9
1963 Berra psa-8.5
Only consigning to generate funds to pay off some debt.
Nothing political, just what has occurred and how it has or will affect prices of cards.
No worries. No emotion.
Moving on.