Connor McDavid has a long way to go before we can even try to place him in the same category as these two, let alone some of the others people here feel he belongs with.
If you look at Clarke and Hossa’s short handed goals it gives a small glimpse of how important they were defensively.
Dave Poulin (per game) is the greatest short handed goal specialist.
Gretzky is the all time total leader because he could easily possess the puck with more open ice, hence Lemieux and Pavel Bure got their share also. These three weren’t great penalty killers like Clarke and Hossa, but once they got the puck look out.
So far Connor could be doing a lot better with SHGs but perhaps his coach doesn’t trust him on the PK.
For a playoff run, I'll take Yzerman, Datsyuk and P. Bergeron over Clarke and Hossa any day. McDavid is a phenomenal skater and goal scorer, but I don't think anyone is arguing that he is a balanced complete player encompassing the entirety of the forward position, the way the three guys I mention are. McD is not great at D, and his faceoffs are way below what you need from your best F.O. center. But man is he fun to watch. Hockey is a team sport and it takes a complete team to win each game. No one is asking him or expecting him to do it by himself. He's one piece of the puzzle that is fun to build around. If Edmonton wants to make a serious run at team success, they are going to have to tweak their roster to finish the job.
Also, Clarke was a talented hockey player but also a dirty thug and I don't respect that garbage on my roster.
@miwlvrn said:
For a playoff run, I'll take Yzerman, Datsyuk and P. Bergeron over Clarke and Hossa any day. McDavid is a phenomenal skater and goal scorer, but I don't think anyone is arguing that he is a balanced complete player encompassing the entirety of the forward position, the way the three guys I mention are. McD is not great at D, and his faceoffs are way below what you need from your best F.O. center. But man is he fun to watch. Hockey is a team sport and it takes a complete team to win each game. No one is asking him or expecting him to do it by himself. He's one piece of the puzzle that is fun to build around. If Edmonton wants to make a serious run at team success, they are going to have to tweak their roster to finish the job.
Agree with most of this except that he is a "phenomenal" goal scorer. Two times in the top five in goals scored isn't phenomenal. He is an awesome assist guy.
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Also, Clarke was a talented hockey player but also a dirty thug and I don't respect that garbage on my roster.
I was thinking along that line too. With all the cement heads on his team, Clarke got away with murder, if you touched him, not only your career, your life was in danger.
Anyone who actually watched those guys knew they were a bunch of goons (they did have a couple of great players too) who only had the success they did because the refs didn't call penalties on them once they had a man in the penalty box.
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I was thinking along that line too. With all the cement heads on his team, Clarke got away with murder, if you touched him, not only your career, your life was in danger.
When your proudest moment as a hockey player is intentionally injuring an opponent because you're not good enough to win if he plays, you're a piece of garbage.
I was thinking along that line too. With all the cement heads on his team, Clarke got away with murder, if you touched him, not only your career, your life was in danger.
When your proudest moment as a hockey player is intentionally injuring an opponent because you're not good enough to win if he plays, you're a piece of garbage.
First, he is loved in Canada for that slash. If you lived back then you’d understand.
Second,
He was not a dirty hockey player in the NHL.
Adam Graves broke Mario Lemieuxs hand with a slash.
Gordie Howe was 10x more dirty then Clarke.
Teeder Kennedy almost killed Gordie Howe in a game with his butt end. Gordie flew face first into the boards and crushed his face.
Todd Bertuzzi ?
Countless others like him doing things that Clarke never did to any NHL player.
Clarke grew up watching Gordie Howe. If you consider him “dirty”, then he learned it from his hero.
Bobby winning the Cup was his proudest moment in hockey.
Also, Clarke was a talented hockey player but also a dirty thug
Be interested to hear why you feel Clarke was a dirty thug, because if he was, then I want to hear you say the same about Gordie Howe, who was 10x worse then Clarke, and inspired a generation of dirty rough play in the NHL. Anytime you saw a fight, flying elbow, or stick around the head or slash you can thank Mr. Hockey for his influence on the game.
Gordie always slashed, elbowed, butt ended, and put his stick on peoples throats and heads.
You do understand that if Canada’s best player at that time was 100% healthy (which he rarely was), then he skates circles around the Russians and Canada sweeps that series.
First, he is loved in Canada for that slash. If you lived back then you’d understand.
I'm 100% familiar with how Canada views him. Doesn't matter. Again, if you're proudest moment is intentionally injuring an opponent not because of retaliation for something he did but because you knew you couldn't compete otherwise, you're a POS. Orr being available or not is irrelevant.
Stuff done by Howe or Bertuzzi or anybody else is irrelevant. More than one person can be a POS. And Clarke is one.
First, he is loved in Canada for that slash. If you lived back then you’d understand.
I'm 100% familiar with how Canada views him. Doesn't matter. Again, if you're proudest moment is intentionally injuring an opponent not because of retaliation for something he did but _because you knew you couldn't compete otherwise
You are so way off.
What makes you think Canada couldn’t compete with them ?
All the games were close except the first two blowouts for both teams. Couldn’t compete ? Unbelievable statement and totally false.
The Russian referees and authorities pissed off team Canada so much that Canada was threatening to take action. Clarke did. The Russians were assholes.
Now, let’s here you say Howe and Brendan Shanahan were thugs.
Shanahan slashed a guy in the mouth and made him lose his teeth.
I’ll sit back and wait for this to happen.
First, he is loved in Canada for that slash. If you lived back then you’d understand.
Again, if you're proudest moment is intentionally injuring an opponent not because of retaliation for something he did but because you knew you couldn't compete otherwise, you're a POS.
What a trash, disrespectful comment to team Canada.
Game 6 was when the slash happened.
In the pivotal Game 8 Canada outshoots Russia 36-28, but Russia gets tons of power plays (3 of their 5 goals) and still gets totally outplayed giving up 3 even strength goals in the third period to lose the series.
Another reason Americans loved Clarke was because in that 1972 Basketball final we saw Russian Alexander Belov violently crush our Jim Brewer, knocking him out of that game.
We had never lost in Olympic basketball until the Russians knocked one of our guys out during the game, and then cheated at the end to win.
You can hate Clarke all you want. The rest of us will love him forever.
Going to wait to hear you call Shanahan a POS also.
Looking forward to that.
First, he is loved in Canada for that slash. If you lived back then you’d understand.
I'm 100% familiar with how Canada views him. Doesn't matter. Again, if you're proudest moment is intentionally injuring an opponent not because of retaliation for something he did but _because you knew you couldn't compete otherwise
You are so way off.
What makes you think Canada couldn’t compete with them ?
All the games were close except the first two blowouts for both teams. Couldn’t compete ? Unbelievable statement and totally false.
The Russian referees and authorities pissed off team Canada so much that Canada was threatening to take action. Clarke did. The Russians were assholes.
Now, let’s here you say Howe and Brendan Shanahan were thugs.
Shanahan slashed a guy in the mouth and made him lose his teeth.
I’ll sit back and wait for this to happen.
Sure, Shanahan is a POS. It's obvious it wasn't intentionally that high - as clearly seen by Shanahan's reaction - but you still can't do that with your stick.
You quoted Clarke on the slash bit I notice you left out an important quote from that same article, this this time from the real hero - Paul Henderson:
"Henderson has called it “the low-point of the series,” while likening it to “shooting a guy in the hallway.”
“That’s no way to win a hockey game,” Henderson said in 2002. “Can you imagine a golfer going out and whacking a guy in the leg?”
Imagine thinking that bad officiating in an entirely different sport is justification for intentionally injuring a guy. That's psychotic.
Canada was trailing 3-1-1 in games at the time of the slash. John Ferguson ordered Clarke to do it. Clarke himself said he "had to do something" because they were losing the series.
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Tretiak got outplayed by college kids in 1980. When Craig was on no one was better, when he was off no one was worse.
I really enjoy the Miracle on Ice history and of course am happy the US won. However, though impossible to prove, I'm willing to bet that if Tikhonov did not pull Tretjak and put in Myshkin, then CCCP would have won. Not solely because of what goalie was in the game, but also the mental shakeup of the players on the ice on both teams that resulted from the switch. And to stay on point, McDavid is part of a team that IMO is not in position to win a cup collectively this year unless they make some roster changes.
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Tretiak got outplayed by college kids in 1980. When Craig was on no one was better, when he was off no one was worse.
I really enjoy the Miracle on Ice history and of course am happy the US won. However, though impossible to prove, I'm willing to bet that if Tikhonov did not pull Tretjak and put in Myshkin, then CCCP would have won. Not solely because of what goalie was in the game, but also the mental shakeup of the players on the ice on both teams that resulted from the switch. And to stay on point, McDavid is part of a team that IMO is not in position to win a cup collectively this year unless they make some roster changes.
The reason the US won is because Herb Brooks understood that a TEAM wins, not the best individual players.
You can "what if, he should have done this" all day long. The better team won that day!
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@Applejacks said:
Tretiak got outplayed by college kids in 1980. When Craig was on no one was better, when he was off no one was worse.
I really enjoy the Miracle on Ice history and of course am happy the US won. However, though impossible to prove, I'm willing to bet that if Tikhonov did not pull Tretjak and put in Myshkin, then CCCP would have won. Not solely because of what goalie was in the game, but also the mental shakeup of the players on the ice on both teams that resulted from the switch. And to stay on point, McDavid is part of a team that IMO is not in position to win a cup collectively this year unless they make some roster changes.
The reason the US won is because Herb Brooks understood that a TEAM wins, not the best individual players.
You can "what if, he should have done this" all day long. The better team won that day!
"If we played 'em ten times, they might win nine. But not this game. Not tonight."
First, he is loved in Canada for that slash. If you lived back then you’d understand.
I'm 100% familiar with how Canada views him. Doesn't matter. Again, if you're proudest moment is intentionally injuring an opponent not because of retaliation for something he did but _because you knew you couldn't compete otherwise
You are so way off.
What makes you think Canada couldn’t compete with them ?
All the games were close except the first two blowouts for both teams. Couldn’t compete ? Unbelievable statement and totally false.
The Russian referees and authorities pissed off team Canada so much that Canada was threatening to take action. Clarke did. The Russians were assholes.
Now, let’s here you say Howe and Brendan Shanahan were thugs.
Shanahan slashed a guy in the mouth and made him lose his teeth.
I’ll sit back and wait for this to happen.
Sure, Shanahan is a POS. It's obvious it wasn't intentionally that high - as clearly seen by Shanahan's reaction - but you still can't do that with your stick.
You quoted Clarke on the slash bit I notice you left out an important quote from that same article, this this time from the real hero - Paul Henderson:
"Henderson has called it “the low-point of the series,” while likening it to “shooting a guy in the hallway.”
“That’s no way to win a hockey game,” Henderson said in 2002. “Can you imagine a golfer going out and whacking a guy in the leg?”
Imagine thinking that bad officiating in an entirely different sport is justification for intentionally injuring a guy. That's psychotic.
Canada was trailing 3-1-1 in games at the time of the slash. John Ferguson ordered Clarke to do it. Clarke himself said he "had to do something" because they were losing the series.
Big deal. Florida was trailing 3-1 to the Boston Bruin machine last year.
The series was close. Any puck luck or better goaltending and it’s 3-1-1 Canada.
Yeah- Henderson is exactly talking about how Jim Brewer, a college kid was taken out by a Russian, then Doug Collins, a college kid was seeing double vision at the foul line after getting hit so hard. Then the officials changed their call after the game was over.
Russia was ruthless on our entire team. Clarke only got one. He should have got more. Russia also got rid of our best power forward in that game.
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Tretiak got outplayed by college kids in 1980. When Craig was on no one was better, when he was off no one was worse.
I really enjoy the Miracle on Ice history and of course am happy the US won. However, though impossible to prove, I'm willing to bet that if Tikhonov did not pull Tretjak and put in Myshkin, then CCCP would have won. Not solely because of what goalie was in the game, but also the mental shakeup of the players on the ice on both teams that resulted from the switch. And to stay on point, McDavid is part of a team that IMO is not in position to win a cup collectively this year unless they make some roster changes.
The reason the US won is because Herb Brooks understood that a TEAM wins, not the best individual players.
You can "what if, he should have done this" all day long. The better team won that day!
Exactly. Brooks was the genius.
Tretiak got beat by a long slap shot by Schneider. Inexcusable.
Then he did the unthinkable, not steering that shot into the corner, but leaving a big juicy rebound for Johnson.
If he stays in we scored 6 or 7 on him and he leaves the rink in embarrassment. He was horrible that day.
You guys have no freaking idea how some American sports fans felt about seeing Russian men professional basketball players be ruthless against our college kids, seeing our kids getting way too many touch fouls called against them, then those same refs changing their call AFTER the game was OVER. Those men took out two of our players in that game, one ordered by their coach.
Then to see Ed Van Impe just check a Russian player in Philadelphia three years later and watch those girls walk off the ice in their dresses to their locker room.
Snider said you don’t come back and play, then you’re not getting paid.
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@Applejacks said:
Tretiak got outplayed by college kids in 1980. When Craig was on no one was better, when he was off no one was worse.
I really enjoy the Miracle on Ice history and of course am happy the US won. However, though impossible to prove, I'm willing to bet that if Tikhonov did not pull Tretjak and put in Myshkin, then CCCP would have won. Not solely because of what goalie was in the game, but also the mental shakeup of the players on the ice on both teams that resulted from the switch.
Russia outshot U.S. 18-8 in the 1st
Tretiak stunk and was pulled.
Russia outshot U.S. 12-2 in the 2nd.
Totally dominated us in the 2nd.
Jim Craig saved us. Craig even held Jarri Kurri pointless in the 4-2 gold medal game.
3rd period Russia got tired, lost composure, and our legs and heart were stronger then theirs, plus Jim Craig.
Russia played much better in the 2nd after the bed wetter was pulled.
The liberals up in Canada agree with a couple posters here about Canada’s victory.
They say nothing though about Boris Mikhalov kicking Bergman’s knee to the point it was bleeding. They mention nothing about the 72 Russian men abusing our college kids, in their own backyard, with the West German ref obviously paid off.
Liberals all over Canada feel so self righteous that Russia is so innocent and Canada is so bad.
They wish they could of beat the Russians the way we did in 1980.
Well, these guys are all friends today, so all this doesn’t really matter anymore.
Oilers are finally finding their skating legs, 5 in a row, 4 of them not even close. McDavid is scoring 2-4 points per game. His early season slump was a function of being injured, although the Oil kept it fairly quiet on how bad the injury was, but clearly affected his game and the team slumped with him.
Many of the supporting Oil sticks have started to contribute - we are seeing most of the goals coming from folks not named McDavid or Draisaitl.
Further, the D is executing better, Skinner has finally righted his ship.
Clearly shows how the best player in the game affects how a team plays - when McD is healthy and firing on all cylinders, so is the Oil. Hope he remains so for the rest of the season, if so, should be a strong playoffs for the Oil.
Certainly McD is doing better than most of the league's forwards now - he has moved up to 10th in scoring and should keep moving up. Better than the likes of the Kaprisov's (40th), who some have called the best forward in the league, LOL.
It was the battle of the Malls last nite, and West Edmonton Mall beat out Mall of America, Oh Canada!
Yup McD had a goal where he as usual, made the goalie lose his knickers, resulting in as easy open netter once he removed said goalie from the play. Dude can skate and handle the puck like no other.
I was looking forward to seeing the highly touted Kaprizov - he had over 21 minutes of ice time, with two 'try as he might' weak shots on the porous Skinner, for no points (dude does not pass the puck either). He now ranks 46th in scoring in the NHL, he is paid too much to be the Wild Man of the Land O' Lakes.
That makes 6 in a row for the Oil, the engine is firing on all cylinders (well except Skinner who has bad periods), and McDavid has momentum and is up to 7th in scoring.
With respect to West Ed, when I was living in Edmonton, the Oil would sometimes do a practice on the West Ed ice rink. Imagine, some of the greatist teams ever put together right there in the mall and you could be right at the side of the ice to watch - Jari, Tik, Kevin, Grant, Mess, Glenn, etc. It was in some ways better than going to the games at the Northlands......... Apparently, they still do the occasional practices at West Ed.
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Connor McDavid has a long way to go before we can even try to place him in the same category as these two, let alone some of the others people here feel he belongs with.
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Heya McD skeptics, you are gonna have to wait a decade of more of game time for McD to make the direct comparison. But let's make one simple comparison from the above stats:
At time of post, points per game for career:
McD: 1.48
Trottier: 1.11
Clarke: 1.06
So far this year with his 'slow' start:
22 games, 34 points, 1.55 points per game. Hmm..............
So that is 33% and 40%, respectively than those 2 NHL legends, so far. If points matter, and any pundit of the game would agree that they do for contributing to the success of the team, then McD is on a pace to far out do these two legends. This is why so many of the pundits out there note that McD is a once in a generation player and why he is on the way to being one of the greatest scorers of all time.
Funnily enough, one here has touted Kaprizov as being in that league and maybe better. Funnily enough, even when McD has made a slow start this year bc of injury, he has far outproduced all but 6 others in the NHL and none of them are named Kaprizov, who is down at number 46 to date this year so far. Hmm..........
Others suggest that McD is simply an 'assist man' and not a goal scorer. It is kinda obvious he is both, which makes him better for the team and results in a team that scores more when someone has that special ability to be the highest productive 'point guard' or 'quarterback' in the league and dsitribute the ball or puck around in order to enhance the ability for everyone on the court, field, or ice, respectively. So this is a silly argument trying to negate what McD is, the best on the ice right now. Would you rather have Mahomes or Mayfield (LOL)? So yes, McD's unselfish play to not take the shot every time but to be a team player has hurt his goal productivity. Even with that though, in the past 5 and 10 year periods, respectively, McD ranks 3rd and 5th, respectively in goals scored. Interestingly enough, in both cases Draisaitl has scored more goals than McD, testifying to the importance of McD's passing to his line companion. Hmm..........
Battle of the 'Connor's' last nite. Oil slicked the B'hawks for 8th in a row. McD 2 assists, that puts him tied for 7th for the season and 1 point from being tied for 3rd. He is movin' on up and the Oil slick is flowing quicker.
McD had two points last nite, one goal, one assist. I thought for sure he earned an assist on another goal but no. Puts him up to 4th overall in scoring. The Oil slick was curtailed last nite and the 8 game win streak is over. Skinner let in 5 goals to a strong scoring TB team. Skinner has these porous moments during a game and this one cost. TB had 2 goals at the onset before one could count to 3.
Skinner totally sucks. Oil is now 10-3 last 13, but tonites win shoulda been by 3 instead of 1. Skinner is as porous as the Eagle Ford Formation is for oil in Tejas. Two last minute goals he let in. Oil gotta score 5 every nite to win unless they can get a better goalie, yikes. 1 point for McD tonite, puts him at 4th for the season overall. Not bad for being injured for the first part of the season, but Oil gotta score more with the Skin game in goal.
Pickard - beat the Ducks with only 2 goals let in at very different parts of the game - .933 save %, no obviously porous time periods in the game. Now that is the type of goal tending the Oil needs to lower their viscosity and flow through the season.
McD only one point last nite, Oil now 12-3 last 15.
14-3 last 17 with a 6 game winning streak. McDavid was unbelievable last nite, wow his passing spectacular, 1 goal 5 assists. Best guards in the NBA would be jealous of his no looker to setup a goal...........
From ESPN:
"McDavid put the Oilers in front with his 14th goal with 4:05 left in the first period. The center turned around a defender and then sent a snap shot through the legs of Flyers goalie Carter Hart.
The Oilers took a 2-0 lead 8:12 into the second. McDavid made a no-look backhand pass to Hyman in front, and he was able to lift a backhand of his own past Hart for his 22nd of the season.
It was McDavid’s 900th career regular-season point, coming in his 602nd game. The captain is the fifth-fastest player in NHL history to record his 900th point, behind only Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Mike Bossy and Peter Stastny."
After his injured start he has now moved up to 3rd in scoring overall, but played 5 games less than those above him. If the Oil can keep this momemtum it is looking good for McD.
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Connor McDavid has a long way to go before we can even try to place him in the same category as these two, let alone some of the others people here feel he belongs with.
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If you look at Clarke and Hossa’s short handed goals it gives a small glimpse of how important they were defensively.
Dave Poulin (per game) is the greatest short handed goal specialist.
Gretzky is the all time total leader because he could easily possess the puck with more open ice, hence Lemieux and Pavel Bure got their share also. These three weren’t great penalty killers like Clarke and Hossa, but once they got the puck look out.
So far Connor could be doing a lot better with SHGs but perhaps his coach doesn’t trust him on the PK.
For a playoff run, I'll take Yzerman, Datsyuk and P. Bergeron over Clarke and Hossa any day. McDavid is a phenomenal skater and goal scorer, but I don't think anyone is arguing that he is a balanced complete player encompassing the entirety of the forward position, the way the three guys I mention are. McD is not great at D, and his faceoffs are way below what you need from your best F.O. center. But man is he fun to watch. Hockey is a team sport and it takes a complete team to win each game. No one is asking him or expecting him to do it by himself. He's one piece of the puzzle that is fun to build around. If Edmonton wants to make a serious run at team success, they are going to have to tweak their roster to finish the job.
Also, Clarke was a talented hockey player but also a dirty thug and I don't respect that garbage on my roster.
Agree with most of this except that he is a "phenomenal" goal scorer. Two times in the top five in goals scored isn't phenomenal. He is an awesome assist guy.
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I was thinking along that line too. With all the cement heads on his team, Clarke got away with murder, if you touched him, not only your career, your life was in danger.
Anyone who actually watched those guys knew they were a bunch of goons (they did have a couple of great players too) who only had the success they did because the refs didn't call penalties on them once they had a man in the penalty box.
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When your proudest moment as a hockey player is intentionally injuring an opponent because you're not good enough to win if he plays, you're a piece of garbage.
First, he is loved in Canada for that slash. If you lived back then you’d understand.
Second,
He was not a dirty hockey player in the NHL.
Adam Graves broke Mario Lemieuxs hand with a slash.
Gordie Howe was 10x more dirty then Clarke.
Teeder Kennedy almost killed Gordie Howe in a game with his butt end. Gordie flew face first into the boards and crushed his face.
Todd Bertuzzi ?
Countless others like him doing things that Clarke never did to any NHL player.
Clarke grew up watching Gordie Howe. If you consider him “dirty”, then he learned it from his hero.
Bobby winning the Cup was his proudest moment in hockey.
Be interested to hear why you feel Clarke was a dirty thug, because if he was, then I want to hear you say the same about Gordie Howe, who was 10x worse then Clarke, and inspired a generation of dirty rough play in the NHL. Anytime you saw a fight, flying elbow, or stick around the head or slash you can thank Mr. Hockey for his influence on the game.
Gordie always slashed, elbowed, butt ended, and put his stick on peoples throats and heads.
You do understand that if Canada’s best player at that time was 100% healthy (which he rarely was), then he skates circles around the Russians and Canada sweeps that series.
, Clarke was a talented hockey player but also a dirty thug and I don't respect that garbage on my roster.
Not sure what this has to do with McDavid winning a Stanley Cup.
Clarke + Lindros = Howe
Perrault + Bergeron = Beliveau
Generations of hockey players from Quebec and Ontario were greatly influenced by both.
Such an ignorant statement.
Guy is clueless. Edmonton is failing him more than he is failing Edmonton.
I'm 100% familiar with how Canada views him. Doesn't matter. Again, if you're proudest moment is intentionally injuring an opponent not because of retaliation for something he did but because you knew you couldn't compete otherwise, you're a POS. Orr being available or not is irrelevant.
Stuff done by Howe or Bertuzzi or anybody else is irrelevant. More than one person can be a POS. And Clarke is one.
You are so way off.
What makes you think Canada couldn’t compete with them ?
All the games were close except the first two blowouts for both teams. Couldn’t compete ? Unbelievable statement and totally false.
The Russian referees and authorities pissed off team Canada so much that Canada was threatening to take action. Clarke did. The Russians were assholes.
Now, let’s here you say Howe and Brendan Shanahan were thugs.
Shanahan slashed a guy in the mouth and made him lose his teeth.
I’ll sit back and wait for this to happen.
What a trash, disrespectful comment to team Canada.
Game 6 was when the slash happened.
In the pivotal Game 8 Canada outshoots Russia 36-28, but Russia gets tons of power plays (3 of their 5 goals) and still gets totally outplayed giving up 3 even strength goals in the third period to lose the series.
Not sure which game is missing but add up these SOG’s and tell us how Canada couldn’t compete with Russia.
You can check the box scores yourself.
http://www.chidlovski.com/personal/1972/game00.htm
Just an FYI -
In July of 1972 Russia stole Olympic basketball gold from the U.S.
Everyone in North America hated those cheaters.
We wanted Canada so bad to kick their tails two months later in September.
What Clarke did was true Justice to what they did to our basketball team, stealing our gold medal.
Canada couldn’t compete with them. Lol. Their goalie, who wet his bed in 1980 against us was playing a bit better.
Tretiak got outplayed by college kids in 1980. When Craig was on no one was better, when he was off no one was worse.
You saying Canada couldn’t compete with Russia in 72 is like you saying Russia couldn’t compete with the US in the 1980 Olympics.
They outshot us and lost because of our better goaltending play.
I wonder if Bob Essensa was Craig’s goalie coach 😂
Canada outshoots Russia 23-6 in one period !!!! They couldn’t compete 😂
Another reason Americans loved Clarke was because in that 1972 Basketball final we saw Russian Alexander Belov violently crush our Jim Brewer, knocking him out of that game.
We had never lost in Olympic basketball until the Russians knocked one of our guys out during the game, and then cheated at the end to win.
You can hate Clarke all you want. The rest of us will love him forever.
Going to wait to hear you call Shanahan a POS also.
Looking forward to that.
Sure, Shanahan is a POS. It's obvious it wasn't intentionally that high - as clearly seen by Shanahan's reaction - but you still can't do that with your stick.
You quoted Clarke on the slash bit I notice you left out an important quote from that same article, this this time from the real hero - Paul Henderson:
"Henderson has called it “the low-point of the series,” while likening it to “shooting a guy in the hallway.”
“That’s no way to win a hockey game,” Henderson said in 2002. “Can you imagine a golfer going out and whacking a guy in the leg?”
Imagine thinking that bad officiating in an entirely different sport is justification for intentionally injuring a guy. That's psychotic.
Canada was trailing 3-1-1 in games at the time of the slash. John Ferguson ordered Clarke to do it. Clarke himself said he "had to do something" because they were losing the series.
I really enjoy the Miracle on Ice history and of course am happy the US won. However, though impossible to prove, I'm willing to bet that if Tikhonov did not pull Tretjak and put in Myshkin, then CCCP would have won. Not solely because of what goalie was in the game, but also the mental shakeup of the players on the ice on both teams that resulted from the switch. And to stay on point, McDavid is part of a team that IMO is not in position to win a cup collectively this year unless they make some roster changes.
The reason the US won is because Herb Brooks understood that a TEAM wins, not the best individual players.
You can "what if, he should have done this" all day long. The better team won that day!
"If we played 'em ten times, they might win nine. But not this game. Not tonight."
Big deal. Florida was trailing 3-1 to the Boston Bruin machine last year.
The series was close. Any puck luck or better goaltending and it’s 3-1-1 Canada.
Yeah- Henderson is exactly talking about how Jim Brewer, a college kid was taken out by a Russian, then Doug Collins, a college kid was seeing double vision at the foul line after getting hit so hard. Then the officials changed their call after the game was over.
Russia was ruthless on our entire team. Clarke only got one. He should have got more. Russia also got rid of our best power forward in that game.
Exactly. Brooks was the genius.
Tretiak got beat by a long slap shot by Schneider. Inexcusable.
Then he did the unthinkable, not steering that shot into the corner, but leaving a big juicy rebound for Johnson.
If he stays in we scored 6 or 7 on him and he leaves the rink in embarrassment. He was horrible that day.
What many here never talk about is how important great goaltending is in hockey. It wins hockey games over everything else.
Jim Craig won that game for us.
Tretiak and his mutant lost it for Russia.
Shots on goal.
If Connor McDavid had a team with a great goalie coach he’d be much better off. I expect to see him in the United States when his contract runs out.
With Connor’s very nice year last year he did crack the top 20 best Point Shares seasons ever. He is in some very good company non-goalies.
You guys have no freaking idea how some American sports fans felt about seeing Russian men professional basketball players be ruthless against our college kids, seeing our kids getting way too many touch fouls called against them, then those same refs changing their call AFTER the game was OVER. Those men took out two of our players in that game, one ordered by their coach.
Then to see Ed Van Impe just check a Russian player in Philadelphia three years later and watch those girls walk off the ice in their dresses to their locker room.
Snider said you don’t come back and play, then you’re not getting paid.
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Russia outshot U.S. 18-8 in the 1st
Tretiak stunk and was pulled.
Russia outshot U.S. 12-2 in the 2nd.
Totally dominated us in the 2nd.
Jim Craig saved us. Craig even held Jarri Kurri pointless in the 4-2 gold medal game.
3rd period Russia got tired, lost composure, and our legs and heart were stronger then theirs, plus Jim Craig.
Russia played much better in the 2nd after the bed wetter was pulled.
Connor had 2 goals yesterday. Good to see he may be feeling better.
The kid is sadly trapped in a place where free agents refuse to go to.
He will never win a cup there.
I expect him to be in a Rangers uniform in a few years.
In case you were wondering how Phil Esposito felt about international competition. Look at his hand.
The liberals up in Canada agree with a couple posters here about Canada’s victory.
They say nothing though about Boris Mikhalov kicking Bergman’s knee to the point it was bleeding. They mention nothing about the 72 Russian men abusing our college kids, in their own backyard, with the West German ref obviously paid off.
Liberals all over Canada feel so self righteous that Russia is so innocent and Canada is so bad.
They wish they could of beat the Russians the way we did in 1980.
Well, these guys are all friends today, so all this doesn’t really matter anymore.
Do you think McDavid is working his way out of the slump? he had a couple of goals recently
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Yzerman was cut from Team Canada twice. In 1987 and 1991. Clarke was never cut in 72 and 76.
And 5 points last night, but against a weaker team. Hopefully he’s feeling better.
Oilers are finally finding their skating legs, 5 in a row, 4 of them not even close. McDavid is scoring 2-4 points per game. His early season slump was a function of being injured, although the Oil kept it fairly quiet on how bad the injury was, but clearly affected his game and the team slumped with him.
Many of the supporting Oil sticks have started to contribute - we are seeing most of the goals coming from folks not named McDavid or Draisaitl.
Further, the D is executing better, Skinner has finally righted his ship.
Clearly shows how the best player in the game affects how a team plays - when McD is healthy and firing on all cylinders, so is the Oil. Hope he remains so for the rest of the season, if so, should be a strong playoffs for the Oil.
Certainly McD is doing better than most of the league's forwards now - he has moved up to 10th in scoring and should keep moving up. Better than the likes of the Kaprisov's (40th), who some have called the best forward in the league, LOL.
About time the Oilers are showing some skill and winning games. Hope they keep it up. Lets go Oilers!!!
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2 more points for McDavid. 21 points in his last 8 games. 6 straight wins for Edmonton. Very entertaining game against Minnesota.
It was the battle of the Malls last nite, and West Edmonton Mall beat out Mall of America, Oh Canada!
Yup McD had a goal where he as usual, made the goalie lose his knickers, resulting in as easy open netter once he removed said goalie from the play. Dude can skate and handle the puck like no other.
I was looking forward to seeing the highly touted Kaprizov - he had over 21 minutes of ice time, with two 'try as he might' weak shots on the porous Skinner, for no points (dude does not pass the puck either). He now ranks 46th in scoring in the NHL, he is paid too much to be the Wild Man of the Land O' Lakes.
That makes 6 in a row for the Oil, the engine is firing on all cylinders (well except Skinner who has bad periods), and McDavid has momentum and is up to 7th in scoring.
With respect to West Ed, when I was living in Edmonton, the Oil would sometimes do a practice on the West Ed ice rink. Imagine, some of the greatist teams ever put together right there in the mall and you could be right at the side of the ice to watch - Jari, Tik, Kevin, Grant, Mess, Glenn, etc. It was in some ways better than going to the games at the Northlands......... Apparently, they still do the occasional practices at West Ed.
Best, SH
looks like McDavid is back
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Heya McD skeptics, you are gonna have to wait a decade of more of game time for McD to make the direct comparison. But let's make one simple comparison from the above stats:
At time of post, points per game for career:
McD: 1.48
Trottier: 1.11
Clarke: 1.06
So far this year with his 'slow' start:
22 games, 34 points, 1.55 points per game. Hmm..............
So that is 33% and 40%, respectively than those 2 NHL legends, so far. If points matter, and any pundit of the game would agree that they do for contributing to the success of the team, then McD is on a pace to far out do these two legends. This is why so many of the pundits out there note that McD is a once in a generation player and why he is on the way to being one of the greatest scorers of all time.
Funnily enough, one here has touted Kaprizov as being in that league and maybe better. Funnily enough, even when McD has made a slow start this year bc of injury, he has far outproduced all but 6 others in the NHL and none of them are named Kaprizov, who is down at number 46 to date this year so far. Hmm..........
Others suggest that McD is simply an 'assist man' and not a goal scorer. It is kinda obvious he is both, which makes him better for the team and results in a team that scores more when someone has that special ability to be the highest productive 'point guard' or 'quarterback' in the league and dsitribute the ball or puck around in order to enhance the ability for everyone on the court, field, or ice, respectively. So this is a silly argument trying to negate what McD is, the best on the ice right now. Would you rather have Mahomes or Mayfield (LOL)? So yes, McD's unselfish play to not take the shot every time but to be a team player has hurt his goal productivity. Even with that though, in the past 5 and 10 year periods, respectively, McD ranks 3rd and 5th, respectively in goals scored. Interestingly enough, in both cases Draisaitl has scored more goals than McD, testifying to the importance of McD's passing to his line companion. Hmm..........
Best, SH
McD's goal against the Wilde, insane...............
that is pretty crazy. i wouldnt think it gets too much better than that!
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
He played great in that game. Just dominant.
Battle of the 'Connor's' last nite. Oil slicked the B'hawks for 8th in a row. McD 2 assists, that puts him tied for 7th for the season and 1 point from being tied for 3rd. He is movin' on up and the Oil slick is flowing quicker.
McD had two points last nite, one goal, one assist. I thought for sure he earned an assist on another goal but no. Puts him up to 4th overall in scoring. The Oil slick was curtailed last nite and the 8 game win streak is over. Skinner let in 5 goals to a strong scoring TB team. Skinner has these porous moments during a game and this one cost. TB had 2 goals at the onset before one could count to 3.
Skinner totally sucks. Oil is now 10-3 last 13, but tonites win shoulda been by 3 instead of 1. Skinner is as porous as the Eagle Ford Formation is for oil in Tejas. Two last minute goals he let in. Oil gotta score 5 every nite to win unless they can get a better goalie, yikes. 1 point for McD tonite, puts him at 4th for the season overall. Not bad for being injured for the first part of the season, but Oil gotta score more with the Skin game in goal.
They are playing much better now than compare early season they won again this evening.
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Just gave up on the game tonite, Skinner is having one of his porous periods, good luck to the Oil in 2 and 3.
Pickard - beat the Ducks with only 2 goals let in at very different parts of the game - .933 save %, no obviously porous time periods in the game. Now that is the type of goal tending the Oil needs to lower their viscosity and flow through the season.
McD only one point last nite, Oil now 12-3 last 15.
14-3 last 17 with a 6 game winning streak. McDavid was unbelievable last nite, wow his passing spectacular, 1 goal 5 assists. Best guards in the NBA would be jealous of his no looker to setup a goal...........
From ESPN:
"McDavid put the Oilers in front with his 14th goal with 4:05 left in the first period. The center turned around a defender and then sent a snap shot through the legs of Flyers goalie Carter Hart.
The Oilers took a 2-0 lead 8:12 into the second. McDavid made a no-look backhand pass to Hyman in front, and he was able to lift a backhand of his own past Hart for his 22nd of the season.
It was McDavid’s 900th career regular-season point, coming in his 602nd game. The captain is the fifth-fastest player in NHL history to record his 900th point, behind only Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Mike Bossy and Peter Stastny."
Skating speed, stick handling, he has it all:
Here is the no-look pass to set up Hyman:
After his injured start he has now moved up to 3rd in scoring overall, but played 5 games less than those above him. If the Oil can keep this momemtum it is looking good for McD.
McDavid one of the youngest ever to reach 900 points. He will hit 1000 early enough next season.
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