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MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,323 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Post a picture of a coin and explain why you bought it. And even if it was an impulsive purchase with no obvious purpose, try to explain why you pulled the trigger.

Andy Lustig

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,132 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinkat said:

    A higher calling...

    Seriously, I am somewhat interested in the surviving population of these gold Vatican 100 Lire. This was purchased raw and submitted

    Nice. Generally underappreciated. Some great silver pieces also.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,389 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lermish

    What you posted looks as if it is some type of German or Austrian Beer token- I write this for three reasons- the six pointed star has a meaning for a brewery- beer production and the ingredients; (2) The woman has the look of a bar maid; and perhaps the most compelling... J. Linz was a brewer- I suspect this dates back to the early 1900's if not earlier. I see it as pre WW I.

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  • lermishlermish Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinkat said:
    @lermish

    What you posted looks as if it is some type of German or Austrian Beer token- I write this for three reasons- the six pointed star has a meaning for a brewery- beer production and the ingredients; (2) The woman has the look of a bar maid; and perhaps the most compelling... J. Linz was a brewer- I suspect this dates back to the early 1900's if not earlier. I see it as pre WW I.

    I've looked into the token as well and I agree with all of your points. It is dated 1914-1919 by PCGS and Numsta, so a little later than you thought but right in the ballpark. It's assuredly German as the reverse says Frankfurt Am Main.

    As a grandchild of Holocaust survivors it was of interest to me to consider pre-WW2 life in Germany for a Jewish tavern owner.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,389 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2023 11:48AM

    Thought a more detailed explanation of my prior comment might be helpful... taken from Beer History.com

    For centuries, it was customary for brewers -- particularly those in Europe and, later, in America -- to brand or paint a six-point star on the ends of their beer kegs. And, indeed, many brewers of the 19th and early 20th centuries actually fashioned their logos to incorporate the six-point star -- known as the "brewer's star." So, what exactly does the star have to do with beer or brewing?
    Of course, there has been much speculation that the brewer's emblem was somehow descended from the Star of David -- a curious match to the brewer's star. It has even been suggested that King David himself was a brewer. But others assert that the emblem's use by beer-makers originated independently of the Jewish Star, and has no historical connection thereto.

    The latter have some historical facts on their side. This geometric figure, which is technically called a hexagram, has existed throughout the world for several millennia, usually as a talisman. This includes the Middle East, Africa, and the Far East. The earliest appearance in a Jewish context is in the 13-16 centuries BCE, but long after that it continued in widespread use in other circumstances not associated with the Jewish faith.

    The first use of the term "Shield of David" was about 1300 CE when a Spanish practitioner of Jewish mysticism wrote a commentary on the central book of that mysticism, the Zohar. The first actual linkage of the hexagram to a Jewish community appears in the early 1300s on the flag of the Jewish community of Prague, which was designed with permission of Charles IV when he became king of Bohemia. It is known that the star was the official insignia of the Brewer's Guild as early as the 1500s, and that its association with beer and brewing can be traced as far back as the late 1300s.

    Whatever the case, it is clear that the brewer's star was intended to symbolize purity; that is, a brewer who affixed the insignia to his product was thereby declaring his brew be completely pure of additives, adjuncts, etc. In fact, folklore has it that the six points of the star represented the six aspects of brewing most critical to purity: the water, the hops, the grain, the malt, the yeast, and the brewer.

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  • lermishlermish Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coinkat said:
    Thought a more detailed explanation of my prior comment might be helpful... taken from Beer History.com

    For centuries, it was customary for brewers -- particularly those in Europe and, later, in America -- to brand or paint a six-point star on the ends of their beer kegs. And, indeed, many brewers of the 19th and early 20th centuries actually fashioned their logos to incorporate the six-point star -- known as the "brewer's star." So, what exactly does the star have to do with beer or brewing?
    Of course, there has been much speculation that the brewer's emblem was somehow descended from the Star of David -- a curious match to the brewer's star. It has even been suggested that King David himself was a brewer. But others assert that the emblem's use by beer-makers originated independently of the Jewish Star, and has no historical connection thereto.

    The latter have some historical facts on their side. This geometric figure, which is technically called a hexagram, has existed throughout the world for several millennia, usually as a talisman. This includes the Middle East, Africa, and the Far East. The earliest appearance in a Jewish context is in the 13-16 centuries BCE, but long after that it continued in widespread use in other circumstances not associated with the Jewish faith.

    The first use of the term "Shield of David" was about 1300 CE when a Spanish practitioner of Jewish mysticism wrote a commentary on the central book of that mysticism, the Zohar. The first actual linkage of the hexagram to a Jewish community appears in the early 1300s on the flag of the Jewish community of Prague, which was designed with permission of Charles IV when he became king of Bohemia. It is known that the star was the official insignia of the Brewer's Guild as early as the 1500s, and that its association with beer and brewing can be traced as far back as the late 1300s.

    Whatever the case, it is clear that the brewer's star was intended to symbolize purity; that is, a brewer who affixed the insignia to his product was thereby declaring his brew be completely pure of additives, adjuncts, etc. In fact, folklore has it that the six points of the star represented the six aspects of brewing most critical to purity: the water, the hops, the grain, the malt, the yeast, and the brewer.

    This is fascinating and good information however not exactly definitive.

    There were multiple Linz families in Frankfurt in this time period (per many easily found primary sources). I did not do an exhaustive search as I don't speak German and I don't care that much but every pre WW2 Linz I found in Frankfurt and surrounding areas was Jewish.

    On a broader note, some light Googling backs up your case for the Brewer's Star but the sources (first 5-10 google results) all claimed that the origins are indistinct. Some claimed as above, other's claimed it was related to the elements or alchemy, while some claim that it was indeed Jewish brewers (https://www.beeretseq.com/is-the-brewing-star-of-jewish-origin/).

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,344 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 5, 2023 6:00PM

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,260 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2023 6:10AM

    @FlyingAl said:
    This one was simple - you just don't see them like this outside of CAM slabs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzahmlJ6mjE

    The seems to have been a run of 1939 Proof dimes that had cameo characteristics. I purchased one in an NGC PR-65 holder for the same reason. It too was not marked “cameo.”

    Here is my NGC graded piece, no cameo on the holder.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • steve76020steve76020 Posts: 367 ✭✭✭
    edited August 7, 2023 9:31AM


    i got this dirt cheap basically melt value and i thought it had a story to tell. but so far i havent heard a thing

  • semikeycollectorsemikeycollector Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CharlotteDude said:
    This little gem here… a more recent purchase. I’d been looking for one at an original AU-level for a couple of years, and had been offered several processed, inferior examples in the interim. All of which I unhesitatingly declined. When this one became known as available, I quickly pounced.
    PCGS AU-58/CAC

    Plus, it makes a nice “bridge” between these two gals…

    So original! I love all of these Charlottes!

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