Amateur Question hour

nexlevelnmx

I have a star designated nickel
From a certain someone which I like

However if I wanted to cross over the pond here does PCGS recognize that star

BillJones

No. You are own your own if you want to cross it.

PCGS could give you same grade, a higher grade (not likely) or a lower grade.

MarkKelley

Stars mean nothing to PCGS.

Jzyskowski1

For the money you spend trying the crackout game ( switch third party graders) you can get yourself another nickel. Perhaps find one int the holder you want. Sell the one you don’t. Thanks 🙏

PerryHall

@MarkKelley said:
Stars mean nothing to PCGS.

Do pluses mean anything to NGC?

NewEnglandRarities

As others have said, unfortunately the star will not be recognized. A simple way to look at it may in fact be that PCGS does not recognize anything on the holder of any other grading service, as if it was sent to cross, the only instruction they have is do not cross below a certain grade. But, whatever any other grading service says will not be taken into consideration by any other grading service….at least I would assume.

MFeld

In many cases, an NGC * coin will have greater value than a PCGS coin of the same grade. So it might not be a good idea to try to cross your * coin.

lilolme

So I think a step is to recognize what the star represents. I think it is sometimes recognized as high end but that is not how NGC defines it.
From
https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-grading/grading-scale/
.

WQuarterFreddie

@MFeld said:
In many cases, an NGC * coin will have greater value than a PCGS coin of the same grade. So it might not be a good idea to try to cross your * coin.

Interesting. In my experience, the W quarters graded by PCGS seem to be awarded a slightly lower grade than the NGC quarters and the same grade PCGS quarters hold a significantly greater sale value.

As a result, I stopped using NGC and exclusively submitted to PCGS😎

MFeld

@WQuarterFreddie said:

@MFeld said:
In many cases, an NGC * coin will have greater value than a PCGS coin of the same grade. So it might not be a good idea to try to cross your * coin.

Interesting. In my experience, the W quarters graded by PCGS seem to be awarded a slightly lower grade than the NGC quarters and the same grade PCGS quarters hold a significantly greater sale value.

As a result, I stopped using NGC and exclusively submitted to PCGS😎

Are you comparing prices of NGC Star-designated examples? Either way, lucky for me I wrote “in many cases”, not “in all cases”. Otherwise, I would have been wrong, rather than correct.😉

WQuarterFreddie

@MFeld said:

@WQuarterFreddie said:

@MFeld said:
In many cases, an NGC * coin will have greater value than a PCGS coin of the same grade. So it might not be a good idea to try to cross your * coin.

Interesting. In my experience, the W quarters graded by PCGS seem to be awarded a slightly lower grade than the NGC quarters and the same grade PCGS quarters hold a significantly greater sale value.

As a result, I stopped using NGC and exclusively submitted to PCGS😎

Are you comparing prices of NGC Star-designated examples? Either way, lucky for me I wrote “in many cases”, not “in all cases”. Otherwise, I would have been wrong, rather than correct.😉

No sir. All labels. To be clear, I was trying to provide additional information to your statement based on my experience with W quarters. I was not saying you are wrong. 😂🤣

ricko

Also, when grading, remember, eye appeal is subjective. As such, the opinion of collectors can easily disagree. Cheers, RickO

NewEnglandRarities

@WQuarterFreddie said:

@MFeld said:

@WQuarterFreddie said:

@MFeld said:
In many cases, an NGC * coin will have greater value than a PCGS coin of the same grade. So it might not be a good idea to try to cross your * coin.

Interesting. In my experience, the W quarters graded by PCGS seem to be awarded a slightly lower grade than the NGC quarters and the same grade PCGS quarters hold a significantly greater sale value.

As a result, I stopped using NGC and exclusively submitted to PCGS😎

Are you comparing prices of NGC Star-designated examples? Either way, lucky for me I wrote “in many cases”, not “in all cases”. Otherwise, I would have been wrong, rather than correct.😉

No sir. All labels. To be clear, I was trying to provide additional information to your statement based on my experience with W quarters. I was not saying you are wrong. 😂🤣

I think Mark was saying that a star at NGC often trumps the same grade a PCGS. For example a 66 PCGS sells for less than a 66 star. Though a PC 66 will outperform a 66 ATS, of course generally and not on a coin by coin basis.

Edited to add: some ask is a star the same as a plus grade. I think that’s up to interpretation but a 66* from NGC May be better seller than a 66 regular PC. I’m not sure about 66+ though. I’ve seen more modern issues doing much better for same grade in PC holders. Don’t attack, I think of modern in the past 100 years!

MFeld

@WQuarterFreddie said:

@NewEnglandRarities said:
@WQuarterFreddie said:

@MFeld said:

@WQuarterFreddie said:

@MFeld said:
In many cases, an NGC * coin will have greater value than a PCGS coin of the same grade. So it might not be a good idea to try to cross your * coin.

Interesting. In my experience, the W quarters graded by PCGS seem to be awarded a slightly lower grade than the NGC quarters and the same grade PCGS quarters hold a significantly greater sale value.

As a result, I stopped using NGC and exclusively submitted to PCGS😎

Are you comparing prices of NGC Star-designated examples? Either way, lucky for me I wrote “in many cases”, not “in all cases”. Otherwise, I would have been wrong, rather than correct.😉

No sir. All labels. To be clear, I was trying to provide additional information to your statement based on my experience with W quarters. I was not saying you are wrong. 😂🤣

I think Mark was saying that a star at NGC often trumps the same grade a PCGS. For example a 66 PCGS sells for less than a 66 star. Though a PC 66 will outperform a 66 ATS, of course generally and not on a coin by coin basis.

Edited to add: some ask is a star the same as a plus grade. I think that’s up to interpretation but a 66* from NGC May be better seller than a 66 regular PC. I’m not sure about 66+ though.

Yes, an NGC Star-designated coin will often bring more than a PCGS coin of the same grade - probably a lot more frequently than a non-star NGC coin will.
The Star isn’t the same as a plus, grade, however - it pertains to eye-appeal, not premium quality. See the post by @lilolme six posts above this one.

NewEnglandRarities

Totally agree Mark!!

bagofnickels

I would leave it in the NGC slab personally since PCGS doesn't do stars. I have several of them and having seen bunches more auction off I would think the star would add some value that may be lost if you cross and it doesn't upgrade significantly. Stars aren't easy to get apparently.

HillbillyCollector

__****> @bagofnickels said:

I would leave it in the NGC slab personally since PCGS doesn't do stars. I have several of them and having seen bunches more auction off I would think the star would add some value that may be lost if you cross and it doesn't upgrade significantly.

Stars aren't easy to get apparently.
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You might be surprised. Years ago I had a NGC PF65 $5 Lib. that I bought from a dealer. He wanted to send it back to try for a 66, so I said sure go ahead. He must have really pressured them because it came back with a * but still in 65. Decided to sell, so I sent to CAC and it was a no go. In reality, the coin was a 64 and had whispy hair lines that didn’t sit good with me. So long story short, don’t think the star will have any bearing on CAC, at least in my case. But in general, CAC seems to be awfully tough on proofs.