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ajaanajaan Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 28, 2023 5:36AM in U.S. Coin Forum

would give this coin if submitted now?


The very light scratch isn't noticeable with the naked eye.

I bought the coin because of the toning. I find it quite attractive.


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  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am not sure, 63-64ish? I am distracted be the jaw scuff

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a 64.... The scratch will bring it down.... IMO.... Cheers, RickO

  • lermishlermish Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ajaan said:
    would give this coin if submitted now?

    The very light scratch isn't noticeable with the naked eye.

    I think the key word is NOW. Anecdotally, PCGS has really tightened up their grading standards this year. Given that you say the scratch isn't viewable without magnification I would have said 64, now I'm in the 63 camp but wouldn't be shocked to see a 62+

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,496 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. 64 without the scratch.
  • mikee999mikee999 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭✭✭

    au58

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the cheek scruffs, if on the coin and not the holder, drop in back. She has that 64 (or a little better) luster, so she probably goes at 63, shot 64


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  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,507 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin feels like an AU58, but I could see any TPG putting it into an MS62 holder. If pressed for a single grade, I would state AU58.

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  • RLSnapperRLSnapper Posts: 580 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pretty coin with some flaws...MS62.

  • shishshish Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The obverse appears to be a AU-58, the reverse looks to be MS-63 or 64. I could see any TPG putting it into an MS62 holder.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,274 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think that there is any way you are going buy that coin in an AU-58 holder. I'd go MS-62.

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  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice color. I’d guess MS62 at best.

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  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    60 or 61. Lots of distractions and maybe a 58 as mentioned. There’s something about the obverse that is wrong. I’m practicing grading so I’m working on the multiple questions every coin presents. Thanks 🙏
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  • kirkminkkirkmink Posts: 176 ✭✭✭✭

    I am torn. The scuffing on the jawline makes me want to say AU-58. But if that isn't dinged, I could see this going MS-63 based on luster and overall eye appeal.

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That scratch looks anything but light, and I really want to call it Details.

    However, based on your comment I'll give it a 63. That scratch really does have to be almost nonexistent though.

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  • HillbillyCollectorHillbillyCollector Posts: 640 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62-63 assuming that jaw isn’t bad.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,371 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I tend to be conservative when grading from pics since there can be issues with a coin that don't show up in the pics but that can be visible when examined in hand under a lamp. That said, I'll guess MS62.

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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll post the ANACS grade tonight.


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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,531 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @kirkmink said:
    I am torn. The scuffing on the jawline makes me want to say AU-58. But if that isn't dinged, I could see this going MS-63 based on luster and overall eye appeal.

    Same thoughts here.

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,344 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62 here as well.

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  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS62 for me.

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 6,195 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 62 market grade

  • erwindocerwindoc Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Torn between 62 and 63. Ill go 63.

  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭

    61

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  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63

  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭


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  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,493 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63... possibly even a 64

  • JJMJJM Posts: 8,040 ✭✭✭✭✭

    62

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  • kirkminkkirkmink Posts: 176 ✭✭✭✭

    I would expect an MS-60 to be much more baggy than that. Beautiful coin, and undergraded.

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,454 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's more than possible they net graded it for the chin scratch.

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  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,404 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2023 6:06PM

    I consider it MS60. Chin scratch. If u start it at 10 pct behind MS60 CPG on eBay will it sell? Will it even get bids? If not run it thru an auc cycle then drop the price, rinse / repeat. Blow it out and get a nice PCGS coin MS64 or higher.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin looks pretty nice in the first set of images. But in the pictures showing it in the ANACS holder, its surfaces appear to have been altered. Hopefully, it’s just the imaging.

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  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    The coin looks pretty nice in the first set of images. But in the pictures showing it in the ANACS holder, its surfaces appear to have been altered. Hopefully, it’s just the imaging.

    It is. Quickly taken with cell phone.


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  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you plan on cracking it - it would be cool to see the grade when you get it back.

  • ajaanajaan Posts: 17,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @marcmoish said:
    If you plan on cracking it - it would be cool to see the grade when you get it back.

    Not sure if I'm willing to spend $50 to find out.


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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I could see it in a 62 holder with a CAC sticker.

  • WalkerloverWalkerlover Posts: 952 ✭✭✭✭

    It seems to me that the big scratch is part of a bunch of hairline scratches indicating either a light cleaning or slight cabinet friction or slight wear

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