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The 1921 Morgan dollar is ugly... a Newp

anablepanablep Posts: 5,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

Aside from its gemmy grade of MS66 and the lovely pastel toning along the rims, every single 1921 Morgan dollar, including this Philadelphia issued one, is quite disappointing. I don't think anything can be done, grade-wise or toning-wise, to improve its status as the black sheep of the Morgan dollar family. Between the flattened relief of Liberty and the chicken eyed eagle, I don't know what's worse, the obverse or the reverse. At least the mint couldn't ruin the third side to this coin. I have a 1921-S graded MS64 by PCGS that looks AU50 on any other Morgan in the series.

Post your best ugliest 1921 Morgans here and I'll try to post my 1921-D and 1921-S as well...

P.S. Even the 2021's are better looking than these. It's almost a shame the 1921's need to be included to complete the Morgan series...

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  • VasantiVasanti Posts: 448 ✭✭✭✭

    It’s not quite that bad.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice die crack at the top of STATES on the reverse.

    Pete

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  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And the 1921-S in PCGS MS64

    Always looking for attractive rim toned Morgan and Peace dollars in PCGS or (older) ANA/ANACS holders!

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  • OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @anablep said:
    And the 1921-S in PCGS MS64

    I refuse to believe that’s not a low AU :D .

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  • Che_GrapesChe_Grapes Posts: 1,851 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like them better than the 2021s

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,241 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like to say they didn't make Morgans in 1921. What an abomination. Pittman Act Commemorative Dollars.

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  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the 21s that have Thorns in Liberty’s head


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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a very nice looking 1921 Morgan!

  • TonedeafTonedeaf Posts: 219 ✭✭✭✭✭


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  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gotta say, since the OP brought it up, the whole Morgan series looks flat and token-like to me.
    The dirtier the better.

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  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭✭✭


    Trade $'s
  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @anablep i think your 1921 is a beautiful coin! I don’t mind the detail changes they made that year so much and even though the quality of production generally wasn’t great, there are enough out there that nice ones can still be found. Yours and @winesteven’s coin both look great to me. My own 1921s are among the weakest in my set and I need to keep looking. The 21-S is especially tough.

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,962 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2023 6:37AM

    Why own coins you don't like? I won't ever own a 1922 "no 'D'" Lincoln cent even though there's a hole in my Whitman album for one. I just don't like 'em.

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  • LuxorLuxor Posts: 407 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think the obv changes weren't so bad, but the reverse could have been much better. With 85MM coins made, nice ones can be found. Luster and strike can be pretty good. Agree the 21S is the most difficult to find nice. And if you like vams, the 21's can keep you busy, lol. Here's my P & D, bot raw 15+ years ago on EBAY for about $15 each.



  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,474 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2023 8:49AM

    I think that the OP is an attractive coin. As @messydesk said, the artwork for this coin was done on the cheap because the hubs that had been used to make the previous Morgan Dollars had been destroyed.

    The story is George Morgan took a Morgan Dollar and used it to sink the master hubs that were used to make the 1921 Morgan Dollars. This is the same method used by some counterfeiters. As others have said, the results were less than satisfactory.

    I have two 1921Morgan Dollars in my collection, and I didn't much (less than $50) for either of them. It shows. This is not my favorite coin.

    1921-P This one is an NGC MS-62. The reverse is decent, and Ms. Liberty's hair over the ear shows some detail, which why I bought it. The luster is also quite decent which is unusual for these coins which often come dull.

    And here is a raw 1921-D that fits into my "All Mints Morgan Dollar Capital Plastics holder Set." The tiny mint mark is barely visible.

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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some well struck 21s in here, including Bill's lowly MS-62. The 21 in PCGS 66+ CAC and the 21-s in 65 in particular, are hammered. I have been looking, apparently half-heartedly, for a well struck 21 for a while now. They are hard to find at reasonable prices.

    Tom

  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a Morgan guy, but some very nice coins shown IMO. I have one in a last year type set, I'll need to pull it and compare to the other Morgans I own. I will say that most 21's I've seen are pretty bad, lackluster.

  • batumibatumi Posts: 797 ✭✭✭✭

    @Vasanti said:
    It’s not quite that bad.

    Both of the OP's coins are attractive especially the '21-P imo.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,599 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bolo said:
    Not the best photo but here is my trilogy of terror:

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  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I cropped some more older holder photos from the old past set.

    As noted a few times above the 21S is definitely the toughest. I am not sure if it is the scariest Morgan in PL as it has some competition from at least the 84S, 93S, 03S and 01P. One thing about the 21S was the pricing. The 66 was way high and then came down. But if you want a little green sticker on that 66 it will probably cost at least 2X or 3X more than one without. I stayed way away. Just looked at CAC pop on 21S 66 and is only 9 (and $10,600 CAC CPG versus PC guide $3500 - Huh). Compared to 66 pop of 201 and 307 for 21D and P in 66. (Note CAC pop is for 66 and 66+ and NGC and PCGS combined)

    Again I found the 1921's to have some good luster on some or many. Yes, it could be the other way but good luster is definitely out there to be had. Strike is a little harder to find.

    The 1921's were not a primary focus for me. I called them a grainy surface often. The 21D I put a late low bid on and no one else bid. Okay, good enough. I suspect the polished area on the reverse is probably undesirable by many. It was also not so clean for the grade but hey it got a little green sticker.

    1921 P

    1921 D

    1921 S

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  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,664 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This is one I have been tortured for years. The color is so blotchy but it is a nice nigher mint state for a 21-D

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 27, 2023 10:43AM

    @Luxor said:

    That sure looks like a smaller than normal mintmark, or am I just seeing things?

    Pete

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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,680 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:

    @Luxor said:

    That sure looks like a smaller than normal mintmark, or am I just seeing things?

    Pete

    Normal for 1921, small for a Morgan. An appropriately sized S mint mark punch was last used in 1916 on the dimes. After that, no need for anything bigger than what you see on these coins. Being small, they were also easier to sink with one blow.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 22,764 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think you have done well to find the ones imaged here. I think I need to see the 21-s in hand

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  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,310 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks CoinsAreFun!
    Finally a Morgan I’d like.

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  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,627 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My least favorite year for this series, but I do like this toned example in my collection:


  • anablepanablep Posts: 5,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some great looking 21's everyone... some of you might be changing my mind just a bit...

    @winesteven That 66 CAC is a beaut!

    @coinsarefun Your 21-D is so unusually toned!

    Always looking for attractive rim toned Morgan and Peace dollars in PCGS or (older) ANA/ANACS holders!

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    ~Wayne
  • BeeManBeeMan Posts: 361 ✭✭✭

    Here are a couple of ugly ones.



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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They have their place and their own story. You might be able to learn to accept them if you look at them that way.

  • jkrkjkrk Posts: 966 ✭✭✭✭✭

    !921 Morgan? My only experience with the coins.

    About 3 years ago I was dabbling on E-Bay and saw a PCGS 1921 MS63 lot of graded Morgans (20 coins). I believe I won the lot for $35/per?. I thought they would be a great X-Mas gifts for the grandkids. None were particularly interested in receiving the coin. I now let my daughter buy all the gifts.

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