New CBH - Guess everything!

pursuitofliberty

That's right it's a Guess the Grade ... show your chops by adding in the Overton number ...

... Bonus if you guess whether she did or didn't get the bean (previous owner indicated it has been sent in) ...

... bigger Bonus if you are sharp enough to tell me something about this Die Marriage that is of interest to DM collectors (there is something notable).

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In hand, I really like her! My images aren't too bad either (my opinion)

All comments appreciated!

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FlyingAl

I’ll call her an AU55. Edit - no bean with this one (though I’d bean it at 55). I know this sounds weird, but I’ve got a hunch.

No idea on the marriage or die variety - I’d have no idea where to start .

Great patina on that one - it complements the white center well. Nice and appealing.

lilolme

I did not look to hard but noticed the missing serifs on the reverse of letters A and E and that matched O-103. No die cracks that I can see, so no 'a' or .2. I don't know anything special except what Overton wrote about previous usage.

fluffy155

Enough luster for a 55 and a very nice look overall, but I think there are enough wispy lines in the fields that would keep it from a bean.

opportunity

Ah, the 1821 no serifs. It still bewilders me that this isn't considered a major variety like the '20 counterpart. It would be worth less, of course, but still would be a fun variety. I like yours as a 53, though I suppose a 55 green bean is entirely possible.

jayPem

I'll guess 55
As far as the bean goes, it would seem like no... since if it had one, there would be no reason to find out if the previous owner sent it in 😅

Now I'll go find my Overton, see you on a couple hours..

BustHalfBrian

I don’t have my Overton book handy, but looking at CoinFacts photos through my iPhone of the 12 varieties for this date, it looks like it’s most likely O-103.

As far as what makes this die marriage special, my guess is you’re referring to the missing serifs on the bases of the A’s on the reverse. EDIT: looks like someone beat me to it.

I like it as a strong 53, but 55 wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

gumby1234

I'll guess 58 no bean. I know nothing about Overton numbers.

dhikewhitney

AU55

ThreeCentSilverFL

Wow I was watching that one! Your pics make it look much nicer! Great pickup!

ricko

I will join the AU55 group.... No idea on the rest of the mystery... Probably no bean.. Cheers, RickO

jacrispies

As mentioned, it is a 103. Didn't know there was a no serifs variety in 1821!

I'll say AU-55 no cac. Beauty!!

pursuitofliberty

Well, as I suspected, most of you are spot on with the grade.

She was graded AU55 by PCGS ... and yes, she DID get a green bean. In hand, I agree with the grade, and agree that the green bean is warranted, based on my estimation, however limited, of that process.

I had hoped that after you guessed a grade, you would critically say to yourselves does that look like a coin that JA would like at that level? Some of you did I think ... some, maybe not.

At least one of you @jayPem may have read too much into my statement.

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Several people recognized it as the Die Marriage O-103, the first being @lilolme right off the bat, and maybe even a couple indicated why they knew.

@opportunity was the first to really point out the Die Marriage significance, so collectively, you guys are fast!.

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There is an important Variety for 1820 that apparently has been shown in the Red Book for a number of years (it's not in older versions, so I'm not sure when it gained RB fame). It is referred to as the "No Serifs on E's", which is the 1820 O-107 Die Marriage. These are rare, considered a R5, and in this condition would fetch mid 5 figures.

My coin was struck from the same reverse die, which was then remarried in 1821 with a new obverse die. Unlike the 1820 example, it is modest R1, and they are available right at or above the 4 figure entry currently in this grade.

This might be as close as I get to a solid mid-AU "No Serif on E's" example, as I am not sure the 1820 version is in my near future, unless I cherry one.

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@ThreeCentSilverFL indicates he saw this auction. On that note, I was a little hesitant at the price as the pictures were not favorable, but I was able to find and study other images that suggested I should be pleased if I won at the right price. I check bid it once mid-week, and decided to tap it at the end. Am glad I stayed with it. No bargain, but I'm happy enough.

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Thanks for playing along!!

marcmoish

Nice piece, I'm at 53 (but looks 55-58)

Beaned.

BustDMs

I think everyone may have missed something.

I would GUESS ex: Lance.

Maybe?…….

lilolme

@pursuitofliberty said:
There is an important Variety for 1820 that apparently has been shown in the Red Book for a number of years (it's not in older versions, so I'm not sure when it gained RB fame). It is referred to as the "No Serifs on E's", which is the 1820 O-107 Die Marriage. These are rare, considered a R5, and in this condition would fetch mid 5 figures.

I have some older Red books but not all. Did have the 1995 and 1996 red books. The 1820 no serifs E is not listed in the 1995 but is listed in the 1996. It was priced at the time only about $25 more than the other 1820's

pursuitofliberty

@BustDMs said:
I think everyone may have missed something.

I would GUESS ex: Lance.

Maybe?…….

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Nope. Not an ex-Lance. Although he got quite a bit of pocket money from me this year so far!

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@lilolme said:

@pursuitofliberty said:
There is an important Variety for 1820 that apparently has been shown in the Red Book for a number of years (it's not in older versions, so I'm not sure when it gained RB fame). It is referred to as the "No Serifs on E's", which is the 1820 O-107 Die Marriage. These are rare, considered a R5, and in this condition would fetch mid 5 figures.

I have some older Red books but not all. Did have the 1995 and 1996 red books. The 1820 no serifs E is not listed in the 1995 but is listed in the 1996. It was priced at the time only about $25 more than the other 1820's

Interesting information on the timing. Thank you! My desk Red Book is a 1991 Edition I have had since then.

dsessom

I'm no good at grading this series, so I didn't even try. Much less any Overton attribution. I have never been down that rabbit hole. Oddly enough though, I really love Bust halves. I only own a single example, and it's just a VF30.

GoBust

I would venture an AU53 grade. Just a bit to much wear for AU55 IMHO. but very nice overall.