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How to obtain recognition for a possible new variety found?

I think I have found a new attribution on a certain Indian head cent. Is there a method or process to have this finding reviewed validated/invalidated? Is CONECA a good option? Will PCGS do this sort of thing? If it is legitimate, I believe it's only minor.


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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pictures would be helpful. There is a very slim chance that you have found something new on a highly collected series of coins like Indian head cents.

    Always a chance thou.

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    Pictures might give it away, and I want to take credit. I'll send one though

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What am I supposed to be looking at? What is the variety? Don't play games.

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    I'm not. There's a shadow of Liberty to the north or slightly rotated clockwise. You can see her nose, and thr last bit of the Liberty band is doubled at an angle.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,564 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You've got quite a bit of random damage here, such as on the top of the E of LIBERTY. I don't see any die doubling on the LIB or the nose.

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nothing but damage.

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    silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,599 ✭✭✭✭✭

    your coin is Post mint damage nothing special or uncommon

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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see what I believe you're pointing out - a second ghost 'nose'
    between the normal eye and nose in the field to the left.
    - but imo, it's simply part of the scratches on the coin - not a new variety.

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    2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 817 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think there is some die faint die clash going on there, a photo of the entire obverse may help

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2023 2:25PM

    @2windy2fish said:
    I think there is some die faint die clash going on there, a photo of the entire obverse may help

    I agree.
    The outline in the field left of the face could be a clash from the wreath on the reverse.
    Could be the C from CENT just left of the nose and eyebrow, too.


    If so, this is considered a die state.
    Value would depend on demand, and on how frequently this occurs in the series.
    For example, in seated half dimes and three cent nickels, die clashes are very frequent.

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    OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,836 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2023 3:30PM

    I am thinking die clash.

    If you wanted to get another opinion, from an Indian Cent SME, Rick Snow would be my recommendation. He literally wrote the books on Indian Cent Varieties 📚.

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    coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 10,771 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2023 8:08PM

    Does look like a die clash to me in the new photos below, @Drew23, my suggestion is that you post this coin on the CONECA forum for review. If they think it is worth an in hand review they can direct you where to send the coin. Please note that if you want to be taken seriously you need to post the full obv and rev photos. If it does turn out to be a new variety you will be provided documentation that you can send with the coin to ANACS and the coin will be graded/slabbed as the discovery coin.

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    These are the same year, variation that I see these characteristics

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    yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 13, 2023 7:20PM

    This one looks like the C clash, left of the eye and eyebrow.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 31,997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If those were what you think they were, the offset would be consistent. Why is the "nose" offset be so much more than the headband?

    I think what you have is a die clash, some damage, and resulting pareidolia.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Drew23... Welcome aboard. It appears to me, that is PMD (Post Mint Damage). I did consider a die clash, and perhaps there is one, though I cannot relate it to the reverse image.. so I doubt it. Cheers, RickO

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