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Help me Grade this Morgan 1901-S

Shane6596Shane6596 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 4, 2023 9:04PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Ive been looking at morgan pics online and using the ANA morgan grading guide. Im completely new at this, so i may be way off. Plus i had a few adult beverages tonight.

I dont own this coin, im not buying this coin. I just want to see if im close to what you guys would grade it.

F-15 is what i see based on the guide descriptions and pics they showed.


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    RollermanRollerman Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF30 details - cleaned

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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree with vf details, cleaned. unfortunately, the reverse cleaning, especially between the mm and the tail feathers, will prevent it from getting a straight grade. Tougher date though.

    Tom

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    Shane6596Shane6596 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These are the ANA pics i used as reference. Which led me to think the back was in the Fine category, the front maybe high Fine to VF. The breast feathers of eagle look gone, the talons worn, the wreath looks similar to the fine pic. I dont know, stuffs getting a little blurry. Been looking at pics for hours.


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    anablepanablep Posts: 5,032 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fine, old cleaning, retoned.

    Always looking for attractive rim toned Morgan and Peace dollars in PCGS or (older) ANA/ANACS holders!

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definitely an old... and nasty... cleaning.... grade looks like fine.... Cheers, RickO

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,945 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My grade: A coin to be avoided. VF obverse/F reverse, harshly cleaned.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF-30 sharpness, hairlines evident from cleaning.

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    coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Before it was harshly cleaned was probably an XF40.

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    Shane6596Shane6596 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the replies. Im starting to see the cleaning everyone is talking about. The reverse really shows it, like someone shined up the whole eagle, wreath area.

    I appreciate the help. Lots of knowledge on this site.

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    Joe_360Joe_360 Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fine, many flat spots (IMO) The Eagle's chest is eroded, rim dings.

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    MrBlusterMrBluster Posts: 320 ✭✭✭

    VF detail cleaned

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,640 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF

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    124Spider124Spider Posts: 848 ✭✭✭✭✭

    By details, perhaps VF35 (35-40 obverse; 25-30 reverse). But the color looks off to me, so maybe cleaned.

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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,963 ✭✭✭✭✭

    VF25 cleaned

    When in doubt, don't.
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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,094 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cleaned, especially the reverse. Before the big run up on some dates, many of the better dates were not worth all that much. I remember 20 years ago the 1878-cc Morgan was worth a lot less than today.

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    streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are so many unc Morgans out there that for the casual collector if you get a range in pricing then MS63-5 might be better for most. Unless if original grey is your thing.
    You will run out of money before the world runs out of Morgans.

    Have a nice day
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    OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Shane6596 said:
    These are the ANA pics i used as reference. Which led me to think the back was in the Fine category, the front maybe high Fine to VF. The breast feathers of eagle look gone, the talons worn, the wreath looks similar to the fine pic. I dont know, stuffs getting a little blurry. Been looking at pics for hours.


    ANA isn’t the best for accuracy, you should use PCGS photo grade as I find it more accurate.

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    DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A lot of these come struck softly and this looks like no exception, so it might actually be xf det cleaned, but I think VF det cleaned is a far more likely grade.

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    lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another source of grading photos can come from auction searches but also the pcgs coinfacts images. You can get to coinfacts from that link or the price guide or pop report. For the last two select the blue pcgs number on the far left.

    At the applicable coinfacts page select the 'view more images' below the 'plate' coin. To see more circulated coins one will need to select dates that have a notable premium when circulated. An 1881 S will have a lot of Unc photos but limited circ. So here are the 1889 CC and 1893 S and there are a few to several graded examples for each grade. Also included the OP 1901 S but it has much less. Also can get a feel for the range of 'the look'.

    PS - depending on internet speed it could take a minute or so for all the images to load.

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1889-cc-1/images/7190

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1893-s-1/images/7226

    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1901-s-1/images/7276

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    Shane6596Shane6596 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for all the links and references from everyone. Ill check it all out.

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    No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A great coin to learn from (and NOT own).
    Best wishes as you learn what to look for.

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