@UpGrayedd said:
I should also add that while I'm not upset, as noted in my reveal post, I do have some serious questions about how the distribution was done and whether or not it was completely random. As others have pointed out it is very fishy that the coin in the demo box was the first coin listed on ebay, well before most of us normal guys received our boxes. Even if there were no shenanigans, it is a very, very bad look.
To be fair, if there were no shenanigans, they can't really control the look.
Of course they could.
They could have prevented insiders from participating.
They could have embargoed unboxings before they went on sale.
You assumed shenanigans. I repeat. If there were no shenanigans, they can't control who finds what when.
I'm assuming nothing. All I'm talking about is the optics, which are entirely within their control. Others will assume shenanigans off of bad optics. Which is why people who care go to great lengths to avoid them. Didn't happen here.
They can control who finds what by not selling to influencers or related parties. They chose not to. It doesn't look right. Shenanigans or not.
The unboxings didn't look right. They denied they were real. A big coin from an early unboxing was the first to show up on eBay. Maybe legit, maybe not. They could have controlled that by not using fake unboxings to hype the offering before the on sale date. They chose not to. It doesn't look right. Shenanigans or not.
Again, it is what it is, and now it is exposed for everyone to see. Everyone can make their own judgment. But don't insult the intelligence of anyone reading this by claiming what this looks like was beyond their control.
Finally, to be honest, I wouldn't know what to assume, because I don't have access to the facts. What I do have access to is terrible optics, which leads me to believe anything is possible. So I'm not getting involved, and would advise anyone seeking my opinion to do the same.
Not passing judgment on anyone who decides differently, and not accusing anyone of any wrongdoing. As I've said repeatedly, this is entirely unregulated, and they can do anything they want. And this is what they chose to do. I don't like the way it looks. Period. No assumptions about shenanigans. But clear evidence of disregard for bad optics.
Why are you here? Do you own a VaultBox? You have 2 other threads to post your opinion and yet you still choose to post your opinion here?
Members who feel the need to debate the pros and cons of VaultBox please use the other thread.
Same reason you are. Do you own a VaultBox? Or Collectors Universe?
I see lots of people posting here who don't own a VaultBox, will never own a VaultBox, and don't think much of VaultBox. No need to single me out. I'll use any thread I choose. Just like everyone else.
I am done. I have done my best to deal with you but you obviously are a troll who likes to antagonize and hijack threads.
I have reported you to the Moderator asking for a review of your posts. 🙄
If other members agree with me please flag NJCoin so the Moderator will see it's not just me.😎
It's time to make a stand..😎
You can mute people you know? Why don't you just ignore the haters and move on to other threads?
Clearly there's a few people who can't just let a thread be for what the op asked for and have to be rude. Probably best to just mute them and move on to other more interesting topics.
No reason to leave over a few bad apples. There is otherwise a lot of great information to be had here.
The sticking point is there are more than 5 members that I want to ignore so I can't mute all of them.
And did you ever stop to think at that point that maybe it's a "you" problem rather than a "them" problem?
@UpGrayedd said:
I should also add that while I'm not upset, as noted in my reveal post, I do have some serious questions about how the distribution was done and whether or not it was completely random. As others have pointed out it is very fishy that the coin in the demo box was the first coin listed on ebay, well before most of us normal guys received our boxes. Even if there were no shenanigans, it is a very, very bad look.
To be fair, if there were no shenanigans, they can't really control the look.
Of course they could.
They could have prevented insiders from participating.
They could have embargoed unboxings before they went on sale.
You assumed shenanigans. I repeat. If there were no shenanigans, they can't control who finds what when.
I'm assuming nothing. All I'm talking about is the optics, which are entirely within their control. Others will assume shenanigans off of bad optics. Which is why people who care go to great lengths to avoid them. Didn't happen here.
They can control who finds what by not selling to influencers or related parties. They chose not to. It doesn't look right. Shenanigans or not.
The unboxings didn't look right. They denied they were real. A big coin from an early unboxing was the first to show up on eBay. Maybe legit, maybe not. They could have controlled that by not using fake unboxings to hype the offering before the on sale date. They chose not to. It doesn't look right. Shenanigans or not.
Again, it is what it is, and now it is exposed for everyone to see. Everyone can make their own judgment. But don't insult the intelligence of anyone reading this by claiming what this looks like was beyond their control.
Finally, to be honest, I wouldn't know what to assume, because I don't have access to the facts. What I do have access to is terrible optics, which leads me to believe anything is possible. So I'm not getting involved, and would advise anyone seeking my opinion to do the same.
Not passing judgment on anyone who decides differently, and not accusing anyone of any wrongdoing. As I've said repeatedly, this is entirely unregulated, and they can do anything they want. And this is what they chose to do. I don't like the way it looks. Period. No assumptions about shenanigans. But clear evidence of disregard for bad optics.
Why are you here? Do you own a VaultBox? You have 2 other threads to post your opinion and yet you still choose to post your opinion here?
Members who feel the need to debate the pros and cons of VaultBox please use the other thread.
Same reason you are. Do you own a VaultBox? Or Collectors Universe?
I see lots of people posting here who don't own a VaultBox, will never own a VaultBox, and don't think much of VaultBox. No need to single me out. I'll use any thread I choose. Just like everyone else.
I am done. I have done my best to deal with you but you obviously are a troll who likes to antagonize and hijack threads.
I have reported you to the Moderator asking for a review of your posts. 🙄
If other members agree with me please flag NJCoin so the Moderator will see it's not just me.😎
It's time to make a stand..😎
No problem. I am not ashamed of anything I have posted. Hopefully, the mods will tell you to calm down and ignore anything you don't like. As others have said, you are not king of the forum, and starting a thread doesn't give you ownership of anything.
Maybe I should report YOU for making me uncomfortable in contributing to the community and expressing valid points of view? I'm raising legitimate red flags with respect to a new product that has attracted a lot of attention.
I honestly think I'm providing a public service, and you are attempting to intimidate me into not doing so. Why? What is your interest in VaultBox, since you are apparently neither a customer nor an owner?
See? I can take a stand too. 😎😎
I will abide by the Moderator's decision. If they tell me I am wrong I will gladly leave the forum and get on with my life. 😎
You don't need to leave anything, and I don't want you to. I just think, for your own mental health, you should stop trying to control what people think or post, or how they do so, as long as they are being respectful and not personally attacking anyone.
You want a thread dedicated to nothing but pulls from VaultBox. You're not going to get it. Deal with it.
There are other places to go to see pulls from VaultBox, and, in fact, the bulk of what you ARE going to see here will be links to those other sites. You can find them yourself through a Google search.
Well apparently the mods agreed with me. The Pros and Cons thread has been closed with the following comments:
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Nice job! You got your own thread shut down because you invited "cons" and then pointed that out to the mods. 🤣
For the record, I never violated any rules. I asked questions and pointed out potential red flags, as well as what a bad deal VaultBox was on its face, based on their own disclosures. I never accused them of doing anything wrong, and, in fact, pointed out several times that they could do anything they wanted to, since this is an unregulated activity.
Probably why none of my posts were removed while your own thread was shut down.
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And did you ever stop to think at that point that maybe it's a "you" problem rather than a "them" problem?
I appreciate everyone that has supported me and I consider this matter closed.😎
NJCoin I am sure you will continue but no need to respond to this because I will not read your posts.
Nice job! You got your own thread shut down because you invited "cons" and then pointed that out to the mods. 🤣
For the record, I never violated any rules. I asked questions and pointed out potential red flags, as well as what a bad deal VaultBox was on its face, based on their own disclosures. I never accused them of doing anything wrong, and, in fact, pointed out several times that they could do anything they wanted to, since this is an unregulated activity.
Probably why none of my posts were removed while your own thread was shut down.
Hey NJCoin! I told you don't waste your time.
I made room for you on my Ignore list. 🤣😂
I knew this was going to happen.
"This discussion is closed"
I see the rest of these poor threads getting the gauntlet too.
Sorry, had to mention.
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