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2022 New Additions Recap

ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 2, 2023 8:31PM in U.S. Coin Forum

As we close out the year, I thought it would be nice to show case a few coins I picked up together.

You can see a mix of toners, errors, and exonumia here. I continued to build out a few areas and added some new ones.

1) 1964-D Kennedy Half Dollar - Toned

2) 1981-D Kennedy Half Dollar - Obverse Clad Layer Missing Error

3) 2000-P Kennedy Half Dollar - Reverse Clad Layer Missing Error

4) (1975) 1776-1976-S Eisenhower Dollar struck on Silver Clad Layer - Unique

5) 1987-S American Silver Eagle - Toned

6) 2022-P Wilma Mankiller Quarter - Obverse Die Cud, Reverse Die Crack Variety - Toned

7) 2005-P Kansas Statehood Quarter - Struck Thru Grease Error

8) 1972 Canada Voyageur Silver Dollar - Toned

9) 1961 Philippines Silver Peso - Toned

10) 1558-KB Hungary Dinar - Toned

11) "1861" Clark Gruber Double Eagle Overstruck 1808 Irish Bank Token - Unique - Ex. Jack Leon Klausen, William Barrett

12) circa 1861 Civil War Dog Tag - Silver - Maier-Stahl 5A - Unique

13) William Henry Bridgens For Public Accommodation Civil War Token - F-630J-1b Brass - Ex. Susan Trask

14) William Henry Bridgens Washington Token Civil War Token - F-630J-2b GW-577 Brass - Ex. Susan Trask

15) 1876 US Centennial Official Medal - by William Barber - So-Called Dollar HK-20 - Toned

16) 1876 US Centennial Art Gallery Medal - So-Called Dollar HK-83a - Toned - Ex. T. Harrison Garrett

17) 1906 Zebulon Montgomery Pike's Southwest Expedition Commemorative - So-Called Dollar HK-337 Matte Gilt - Unique

18) 1919-1920 WWI Victory Medal - Bronze - So-Called Dollar HK-901

19) 1933 Century of Progress Medal - So-Called Dollar HK-870 - Toned

20) circa 1949 Humbert Slug Facsimile by Earl Albert Parker - off-metal in Copper (die trial?) - Unique

21) 2000 Canada Elizabeth II Dollar Blank Planchet - Ex. Fred Weinberg

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  • Mr Lindy Mr Lindy Posts: 982 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Outstanding array of 2022 Numismatic acquisitions Zoins !

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another example of an eclectic collection and the beauty of such a group. All provide historical content/relevance. Cheers, RickO

  • Inspired70Inspired70 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Awesome coins @Zoins. Looks like a very successful 2022!

  • DCWDCW Posts: 6,973 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins
    Pretty eclectic group you've got there, John! Variety is certainly the spice of life

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice stuff, but gosh I thought I was all over the place... Glad I'm not alone :p

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  • spacehaydukespacehayduke Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You were busy and this acquisitions are spectacular!

    Best, SH


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  • daltexdaltex Posts: 3,486 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    19) 2000 Canada Elizabeth II Dollar Blank Planchet - Ex. Fred Weinberg

    Question: how was this one dated?

  • DCWDCW Posts: 6,973 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    10) "1861" Clark Gruber Double Eagle Overstruck 1808 Irish Bank Token - Ex. Jack Leon Klausen, William Barrett

    This one I remember from that auction. Here is a description from Heritage for those unfamiliar with this issue:
    1861 Clark, Gruber Twenty Dollar Fantasy Piece
    Overstruck on an 1808 Irish Bank Token, MS62
    1861 $20 Clark, Gruber Twenty Dollar, Overstruck on an Irish 30 Pence Token, MS62 PCGS. This and other similar pieces were produced during the 1960s. They were struck from transfer dies by California coin dealer Jack Klauson. While this example was struck on an 1808 Irish bank token, others exist on an 1852 double eagle, 1857-S double eagle, 1853 Assay Office twenty, and an 1850 ten dollar gold piece. The undertype is plain with a strong date, legends, and profile of George III. Each side is silver-gray with deeper olive and gunmetal accents.
    From The William Barrett Collection.

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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:

    @Zoins said:
    10) "1861" Clark Gruber Double Eagle Overstruck 1808 Irish Bank Token - Ex. Jack Leon Klausen, William Barrett



    thanks. saved me from asking. :)

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  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,456 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Awesome pickups!

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @daltex said:

    @Zoins said:

    19) 2000 Canada Elizabeth II Dollar Blank Planchet - Ex. Fred Weinberg

    Question: how was this one dated?

    Let's ask @FredWeinberg as this was in his collection and pedigreed to him :)

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2023 10:01AM

    @DCW said:

    @Zoins said:
    10) "1861" Clark Gruber Double Eagle Overstruck 1808 Irish Bank Token - Ex. Jack Leon Klausen, William Barrett

    This one I remember from that auction. Here is a description from Heritage for those unfamiliar with this issue:
    1861 Clark, Gruber Twenty Dollar Fantasy Piece
    Overstruck on an 1808 Irish Bank Token, MS62
    1861 $20 Clark, Gruber Twenty Dollar, Overstruck on an Irish 30 Pence Token, MS62 PCGS. This and other similar pieces were produced during the 1960s. They were struck from transfer dies by California coin dealer Jack Klauson. While this example was struck on an 1808 Irish bank token, others exist on an 1852 double eagle, 1857-S double eagle, 1853 Assay Office twenty, and an 1850 ten dollar gold piece. The undertype is plain with a strong date, legends, and profile of George III. Each side is silver-gray with deeper olive and gunmetal accents.
    From The William Barrett Collection.

    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    @DCW said:

    @Zoins said:
    10) "1861" Clark Gruber Double Eagle Overstruck 1808 Irish Bank Token - Ex. Jack Leon Klausen, William Barrett

    thanks. saved me from asking. :)

    Here are two previous forum threads that cover these:

    As far as I can tell some writings claim that Klauson struck these as they all seem to originate from him, but it seems like the only thing we know for sure is that these ended up in his estate after his passing. They are fantasy pieces, but there are some pretty nice ones. I'm on the look out for others :)

    Here are photos from two more which aren't mine.

    This is struck on a 1853 California Assay Double Eagle.

    This is struck on a 1850 $10 gold eagle. This one is pedigreed to Don Kagin, Mike @Byers and @MrEureka!

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2023 9:57AM

    @daltex said:

    @Zoins said:

    19) 2000 Canada Elizabeth II Dollar Blank Planchet - Ex. Fred Weinberg

    Question: how was this one dated?

    Hopefully someone knows for sure but my guess would be it came out of a roll, bag, or some other set that could properly date it. Or maybe there is something different about the ones from 2000 that makes it possible to identify (someone who knows more about Canadian might be able to help us with that).

  • U1chicagoU1chicago Posts: 5,586 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice mix of eye appealing goodies @Zoins
    I like your proof Eagle too!

    The 2022 quarter is very cool-hard to find something so modern with an error and toning!

    The Kennedy really pops and is a good introduction for the thread.

    Finally the centennial and century of progress so-called dollars stick out to me as having awesome colors.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCW said:
    Variety is certainly the spice of life

    Yes it is! I tend to like things that are eye appealing and rare so I lean towards toning, errors and exonumia. It's been a fun ride so far!

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2023 4:23PM

    @U1chicago said:
    Nice mix of eye appealing goodies @Zoins

    Thanks!

    I like your proof Eagle too!

    It's an amazing PR69 DCAM as well. I need to take a video while rotating it in the light like you have for your toned proof Eagle which I like a lot too!

    The 2022 quarter is very cool-hard to find something so modern with an error and toning!

    I really like the toning which is why I picked this one up. Unfortunately it was graded QC, likely because it's so modern, but it has an interesting look and a good price:

    Here's the description from the seller.

    obcoinsncash said:
    2022 P Wilma Mankiller Quarter Error Retained Cud Toner +PCGS CERTIFICATION

    PCGS UNC Details. Due to toning. Coin was found with several other coins in house that was flooded. The coins were all on a hardwood floor from the 50s and chemicals or whatever was on the wood flooring in addition to the flooded house had to have caused the toning. It is permanent and beautiful. I have 100 other coins with similar toning that are exquisite and in mint state but PCGS is too complacent in their grading to understand toning is toning no matter how it occurred.

    .

    The Kennedy really pops and is a good introduction for the thread.

    Thanks! I love 1964 Kennedy's and it was nice to find this one. I love on the yellow toning ring covers the stars on the reverse.

    Finally the centennial and century of progress so-called dollars stick out to me as having awesome colors.

    Thanks for noticing! I'm interested in both toning and So-Called Dollars so it's nice when they can come together.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 5,794 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A stunning array of beauties!! 👍🏻

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2023 12:19PM

    Also of note, I was able to write about two of the coins in MintErrorNews:

    1) Unique Ike Dollar Struck on Silver Clad Layer

    This is the only Ike dollar struck on a silver clad layer, of any year, and happens to be a Bi-Centennial Type 1 coin.

    It was fun researching this piece and learning more about out silver-clad coinage.

    2) A Dramatic Struck Thru Error: The "1861 Buffalo" Quarter

    This is a fun "1861 Buffalo" piece. Love the composition on the reverse.

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,719 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry but I can’t remember the exact circumstances of how I acquired that planchet Dash I’m not in town so I don’t have my reference books but if 2000 wasn’t the first year of a new composition – then it probably came from an original roll or bag of 2000 dated dollars.

    Is the 2000 in parentheses? On the label – generally we would put the date of a blank or planchet in parentheses if it could be determined.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FredWeinberg said:
    Sorry but I can’t remember the exact circumstances of how I acquired that planchet Dash I’m not in town so I don’t have my reference books but if 2000 wasn’t the first year of a new composition – then it probably came from an original roll or bag of 2000 dated dollars.

    Is the 2000 in parentheses? On the label – generally we would put the date of a blank or planchet in parentheses if it could be determined.

    Yes, it's in parentheses so there must be a way to determine it.

    Here's the link auction info:

    Heritage said:
    Elizabeth II Mint Error - Blank Planchet Dollar 2000 MS62 PCGS, Royal Canadian mint. Type II Planchet RCM. Winnipeg mint.

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/canada/world-coins/canada-elizabeth-ii-mint-error-blank-planchet-dollar-2000-ms62-pcgs-/a/232212-64433.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 22,674 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool additions!

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's a matching PCGS MS66BN copper I have for the Bridgen's Washington Token:

    To compare in brass:

  • BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice additions. All very eye appealing

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow Zions,

    Awesome Eye Appeal.

    I like your style.

  • ByersByers Posts: 1,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins

    Thanks John!

    Mint Error News appreciates the 2 articles that you wrote!

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins thats an 87 ASE. Nice stuff you got there. I want the 81 D Kennedy missing clad layer.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2023 3:01PM

    @gumby1234 said:
    @Zoins thats an 87 ASE. Nice stuff you got there. I want the 81 D Kennedy missing clad layer.

    Thanks @gumby1234! Fixed it!

    What do you like about the 81 D? Do you collect missing clad layers, Kennedys, etc?

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins the missing clad layer thread? I have 3 or 4 posted there LOL. The 81 D would go nicely with my other missing clad layers. Would like to find an Ike to match also.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wondering how the Wilma Mankiller quarter got toned so quickly and straight graded? Seems odd to be that toned in such a short time.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2023 4:13PM

    @gumby1234 said:
    @Zoins the missing clad layer thread? I have 3 or 4 posted there LOL. The 81 D would go nicely with my other missing clad layers. Would like to find an Ike to match also.

    Ah yes! It seems like you're building an obverse clad layer missing collection of Presidents! It would go well with your collection! I'll keep you in mind if I decide to part with it.

    Here's the Missing Clad Layer thread to check it out:

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1085112/the-missing-clad-layer-thread#latest

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2023 4:20PM

    @Maywood said:
    I wish I could remember what I bought last year, I know it wasn't much and the last two stand out because I just had them encapsulated at PCGS. I think I bought 1-2 other medals but I can't recall buying any coins. For US coinage I was a net seller for most of 2022 by selling most of my collection.

    Bronze/59mm/Eglit 105.

    Bronze/27mm/Eglit 224.

    Wonderful pieces @Maywood! I love the focus on bronze medals. They really can have a wonderful look! I also picked up a bronze Albany So-Called Dollar but need better photos of it.

    When looking back on 2022, I had to through a number of records to find these and partially created this thread to help me keep track myself!

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood I love that top 59mm bronze WOW

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  • MarkMark Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2023 5:57PM

    @Zoins Darn, those coins/medals/whatever ( :) ) are ALL pretty and ALL fascinating. Just absolutely cool!

    Mark


  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,488 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All good stuff 👍

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the nice compliments everyone! Collecting has been a lot of fun and it's been enjoyable to have varying interests. As much as it's nice to be the caretaker for these, it's also nice to share them on the forums!

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @gumby1234 said:
    Wondering how the Wilma Mankiller quarter got toned so quickly and straight graded? Seems odd to be that toned in such a short time.

    It's actually the only slabbed piece here that's not straight graded I believe. I posted a bit on this above in response to @U1chicago. It's a flood coin which is fitting as the area I'm in is flooding now. Perhaps this will end up reminding me of this time. I picked this up due to the unusual and pleasing look to me. Nice to get some attention on this!

    Here's the description from the seller.

    obcoinsncash said:
    PCGS UNC Details. Due to toning. Coin was found with several other coins in house that was flooded. The coins were all on a hardwood floor from the 50s and chemicals or whatever was on the wood flooring in addition to the flooded house had to have caused the toning. It is permanent and beautiful. I have 100 other coins with similar toning that are exquisite and in mint state but PCGS is too complacent in their grading to understand toning is toning no matter how it occurred.

    Clad coinage doesn't tone like that so fast without some medical assistance... All these doctoring interns on eBay are using liver of sulfur gel sold at local art supply stores smeared over the entire coin then rinsed off once the level of patina is achieved in a few hours or a couple days. The more advanced have learned how to use it by surrounding the coin with it in a Tupperware type sealed container to peripheral edge tone silver coinage which have straight graded in recent years by both top grading services.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2, 2023 11:15PM

    @Broadstruck said:

    @Zoins said:

    @gumby1234 said:
    Wondering how the Wilma Mankiller quarter got toned so quickly and straight graded? Seems odd to be that toned in such a short time.

    It's actually the only slabbed piece here that's not straight graded I believe. I posted a bit on this above in response to @U1chicago. It's a flood coin which is fitting as the area I'm in is flooding now. Perhaps this will end up reminding me of this time. I picked this up due to the unusual and pleasing look to me. Nice to get some attention on this!

    Here's the description from the seller.

    obcoinsncash said:
    PCGS UNC Details. Due to toning. Coin was found with several other coins in house that was flooded. The coins were all on a hardwood floor from the 50s and chemicals or whatever was on the wood flooring in addition to the flooded house had to have caused the toning. It is permanent and beautiful. I have 100 other coins with similar toning that are exquisite and in mint state but PCGS is too complacent in their grading to understand toning is toning no matter how it occurred.

    Clad coinage doesn't tone like that so fast without some medical assistance... All these doctoring interns on eBay are using liver of sulfur gel sold at local art supply stores smeared over the entire coin then rinsed off once the level of patina is achieved in a few hours or a couple days. The more advanced have learned how to use it by surrounding the coin with it in a Tupperware type sealed container to peripheral edge tone silver coinage which have straight graded in recent years by both top grading services.

    I'm sure people are doing all kinds of things. Are there examples of what you describe that can be seen with photos, including TrueViews? Are these techniques being discussed somewhere? It would be great to see what is out there.

    As for this particular coin, I knew this was QC when I picked it up and I did get it for what seems to be at the lower end of what these normally sell for. It's an interesting coin with an interesting look and I haven't seen any others. If you find any, please let me know.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    @Broadstruck said:

    @Zoins said:

    @gumby1234 said:
    Wondering how the Wilma Mankiller quarter got toned so quickly and straight graded? Seems odd to be that toned in such a short time.

    It's actually the only slabbed piece here that's not straight graded I believe. I posted a bit on this above in response to @U1chicago. It's a flood coin which is fitting as the area I'm in is flooding now. Perhaps this will end up reminding me of this time. I picked this up due to the unusual and pleasing look to me. Nice to get some attention on this!

    Here's the description from the seller.

    obcoinsncash said:
    PCGS UNC Details. Due to toning. Coin was found with several other coins in house that was flooded. The coins were all on a hardwood floor from the 50s and chemicals or whatever was on the wood flooring in addition to the flooded house had to have caused the toning. It is permanent and beautiful. I have 100 other coins with similar toning that are exquisite and in mint state but PCGS is too complacent in their grading to understand toning is toning no matter how it occurred.

    Clad coinage doesn't tone like that so fast without some medical assistance... All these doctoring interns on eBay are using liver of sulfur gel sold at local art supply stores smeared over the entire coin then rinsed off once the level of patina is achieved in a few hours or a couple days. The more advanced have learned how to use it by surrounding the coin with it in a Tupperware type sealed container to peripheral edge tone silver coinage which have straight graded in recent years by both top grading services.

    I'm sure people are doing all kinds of things. Are there examples of what you describe that can be seen with photos, including TrueViews? Are these techniques being discussed somewhere? It would be great to see what is out there.

    As for this particular coin, I knew this was QC when I picked it up and I did get it for what seems to be at the lower end of what these normally sell for. It's an interesting coin with an interesting look and I haven't seen any others. If you find any, please let me know.

    Please note that I'm not knocking you in any way for buying this as I too just today purchased a PCGS Details graded coin. I was just making you aware that the seller is full of $#!+ with his description tale. For learning about current coin doctoring techniques with Trueviews eBay is your huckleberry. If you just type in the wording "PCGS Rainbow" you'll quickly find a few specific sellers with a couple dozen artificially toned Details graded for sale stuff like bicentennial quarters or dollars, they have paid Secure-View level grading fees to get the Trueviews.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2023 3:15AM

    @Broadstruck said:

    @Zoins said:

    @Broadstruck said:

    @Zoins said:

    @gumby1234 said:
    Wondering how the Wilma Mankiller quarter got toned so quickly and straight graded? Seems odd to be that toned in such a short time.

    It's actually the only slabbed piece here that's not straight graded I believe. I posted a bit on this above in response to @U1chicago. It's a flood coin which is fitting as the area I'm in is flooding now. Perhaps this will end up reminding me of this time. I picked this up due to the unusual and pleasing look to me. Nice to get some attention on this!

    Here's the description from the seller.

    obcoinsncash said:
    PCGS UNC Details. Due to toning. Coin was found with several other coins in house that was flooded. The coins were all on a hardwood floor from the 50s and chemicals or whatever was on the wood flooring in addition to the flooded house had to have caused the toning. It is permanent and beautiful. I have 100 other coins with similar toning that are exquisite and in mint state but PCGS is too complacent in their grading to understand toning is toning no matter how it occurred.

    Clad coinage doesn't tone like that so fast without some medical assistance... All these doctoring interns on eBay are using liver of sulfur gel sold at local art supply stores smeared over the entire coin then rinsed off once the level of patina is achieved in a few hours or a couple days. The more advanced have learned how to use it by surrounding the coin with it in a Tupperware type sealed container to peripheral edge tone silver coinage which have straight graded in recent years by both top grading services.

    I'm sure people are doing all kinds of things. Are there examples of what you describe that can be seen with photos, including TrueViews? Are these techniques being discussed somewhere? It would be great to see what is out there.

    As for this particular coin, I knew this was QC when I picked it up and I did get it for what seems to be at the lower end of what these normally sell for. It's an interesting coin with an interesting look and I haven't seen any others. If you find any, please let me know.

    Please note that I'm not knocking you in any way for buying this as I too just today purchased a PCGS Details graded coin. I was just making you aware that the seller is full of $#!+ with his description tale. For learning about current coin doctoring techniques with Trueviews eBay is your huckleberry. If you just type in the wording "PCGS Rainbow" you'll quickly find a few specific sellers with a couple dozen artificially toned Details graded for sale stuff like bicentennial quarters or dollars, they have paid Secure-View level grading fees to get the Trueviews.

    I don't go out of my way to get details coins, but I'll get them on occasion, as is the case here. I'm curious to see what you picked up. Please post it when you can.

    I did a quick search for "PCGS rainbow quarter" and luckily I'm not tempted by the vast majority of them. They just don't appeal to me, regardless of whether they are AT or not.

    This PCGS MS64 is currently listed and interesting to me.

    That being said, to me, it's nowhere near as interesting as my rainbow Morgan ;)

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:

    I did a quick search for "PCGS rainbow quarter" and luckily I'm not tempted by the vast majority of them. They just don't appeal to me, regardless of whether they are AT or not.

    This PCGS MS64 is currently listed and interesting to me.

    I'd personally instantly shy away from that 1963 Washington due to the lack of natural toning progression. The first thing that jumps out as being funky is the liquid look at 4:00 o'clock at the rims between the last A in America and the R in Dollar.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Broadstruck said:

    @Zoins said:

    I did a quick search for "PCGS rainbow quarter" and luckily I'm not tempted by the vast majority of them. They just don't appeal to me, regardless of whether they are AT or not.

    This PCGS MS64 is currently listed and interesting to me.

    I'd personally instantly shy away from that 1963 Washington due to the lack of natural toning progression. The first thing that jumps out as being funky is the liquid look at 4:00 o'clock at the rims between the last A in America and the R in Dollar.

    I stay away from this type of “mishmash” of color too, but it’s more interesting to look at than others that came up.

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 3, 2023 6:39PM

    @lcourtney123 said:
    @Zoins Beautiful Collection !

    Thanks! I'm glad you enjoy them! It's been fun looking for eye appealing pieces!

    @lcourtney123 said:
    My question is what does the term "straight graded" mean ?
    " It's actually the only slabbed piece here that's not straight graded"
    Thanks Zoins

    • "Straight graded", aka "problem-free", means PCGS recognizes it as a collectible and has given the piece a numerical grade, from 1 to 70. Generally, collectors give a lot of confidence to these pieces with prices to match.
    • "Details graded", "genuine", or "no grade" means there's one or more significant problems with the coin that coin collectors should beware of and consider before buying, such as questionable color, cleaning, tooling, etc.

    You can read more about this on the PCGS Grading Standards page under "Numeric Grades" and "No Grades":

    https://www.pcgs.com/grades

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2023 9:05AM

    For those interested in the seller of the Wilma Mankiller quarter, I looked up the current and past inventory of the seller and there isn't a focus on toners as seen here:

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 4, 2023 9:12AM

    BTW, I ran these by a potential future YN and the favorites were the following for colors, design and octagonal shape.




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