Crossover with a TrueView - CBH - a little more to the story

pursuitofliberty

Present in the mail today.

I submitted 5 coins to cross at the Summer ANA this year. Two different submissions forms due to various conditions, this one came home today!

And they gave me a TV to boot, which frankly, is very accurate!

RLSnapper

PCGS is generous...I had an 8 piece Economy and asked and paid for 3...apparently the photo department took TrueView if all 8. Only the ones I paid for had the cert. number but the others were free and attached to the coin. A opleasant surprise or maybe payment for my 5 month wait.

pursuitofliberty

@RLSnapper

It was a nice surprise. I might be paying for it one way or another?

Interesting story on this one. It's the 4th holder she's been in, so far as I know.

I found her in a N55 holder on a rather off-the-regular-path site. A lttle research and I found she was in a pedigreed holder prior to that, as a P55. But the TV was awful (no offense to Phil and team, but it wasn't a good shot). And prior to that, she was in a different P55 holder. Go figure!!

I guess she really is a 55 by all accounts!

Frankly, I love her!

TomB

It's funny, I noticed the reverse image first and thought to myself "what a nice 1808..." before I ever looked at the date. Your coin has great color, lots of luster evident especially along the rims and is absolutely hammered. I love it!

If no doubt fits in beautifully with the rest of your amazing pieces.

lilolme

The Gold Shield submissions include a TV. I believe on the US classic coins only the economy (declared value < $300) is a non-gold shield. That one looks nice and you got that pedigree if you are into that.

pursuitofliberty

@lilolme

Interesting comment at the end.

I asked them to put the pedigree back on. Some might have left it off, but I appreciate that it was his as what he has accomplished, and his overall knowledge and appreciation of CBH's is pretty impressive IMO.

When I showed it to him in the NGC holder, he remembered it almost immediately. Since it had his provenance on it before someone cracked it out and sent it to NGC, I decided to stick it back on when I considered it needed to go back to PCGS.

Kind of like having a Swampy Meyer, or a Stuart Witham (or a host of other early Bust Half Nuts) in some ways.

I see at as paying tribute to the guys who went before us (although Chuck is still active).

There's others too, some that even hang around here, that if I ever pry a few special examples from their hands (and they put their name on the holders), that I would cherish the pedigree.

I wouldn't resubmit just for that, and I wouldn't ask for anything on a label if it never was ... but preserving what was there seemed worthwhile.

Generally I know where a good portion of my coins came from, and those are bits of info in my notes, which is probably the most important for me.

lilolme

I agree with that pedigree. Others are just someones name, initials or code name that they had put on the holder.

Pnies20

😍

lkeigwin

Terrific choice, Todd. I wish I'd seen it before you!
Lance.

jacrispies

Beautiful example, thanks for sharing!

ricko

Very nice coin.... I am not a collector of provenance on coins... If it has a designation, I would keep it, but I do not seek them. Certainly it is a collection niche, and for collectors, another aspect of a coins history. Cheers, RickO

ThreeCentSilverFL

BEAUTY! Nice even skin.

pursuitofliberty

Thanks for all the comments!

I'll throw in some more of the whole story since my friend @lkeigwin chimed in with this;

@lkeigwin said:
Terrific choice, Todd. I wish I'd seen it before you!
Lance.

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I don't think it's a secret that Lance sponsored me into the BHNC, and we share quite a but of information back and forth outside of this board. One the responses we have to the other, when we really like something the other has, is ... "How much?" ... always with a smile. The first time he saw it in hand, after some study, he looked over with a wry smile and asked. I also should say, that and his comment above is as good an approval as I can get.

So, let me back up ...

When I saw this coin on line, it had very "difficult" pictures. Slightly fuzzy and not very large, with slightly "off" lighting ... making it hard to discern real surface qualities and color. I was trying everything to understand color and surfaces, and even though I had pegged the coin as an O-105, I wasn't 100% comfortable with what it might be in hand.

I was having no luck until I saw an old HA archive image of a PCGS AU55 coin that was much clearer, and I could make out some markings below the olive leaves on the reverse. That helped make the connection, that these two coins were the same. Interesting ... it was a PCGS and someone crossed it to a NGC. They thought it had a shot at 58?

Okay, now we are getting somewhere at least (I had been searching for previous NGC and ANACS coins, and others I could find any images of, trying to see if I could make the match). At this point I initiated contact with the seller, trying to work out a reasonable price with a fair and quick return option if it wasn't what I thought it was. I even asked if they crossed it, but was told they bought it that way recently.

And then, as the seller and got to the point of agreeing, which is a point that sometimes I share with Lance and ask his opinion too, something else triggered in the unusual space my brain keeps completely random information for long periods of time. I had seen those reverse marks somewhere else before. went to check a reference image I have, and sure enough, it was an image Lance had shared with me; the TrueView from another 08-105 PCGS certification. From Dr. Link's collection.

So, off I went to find that sale and those pictures! Low and behold, I found those too. It had just sold six months prior! Damn, we had all missed it. Or had passed because of those original TrueViews. This is, of course, how I know more of the story, and that it has been holdered at least four times now.

I agreed to purchase the coin. I had so much information and so many different images from different places now I was fairly confident I knew the surface quality was there, even if I was still not a 100% certain on the color (again, the first TV's were throwing me).

And it was then I first shared all of this information with Lance. Who immediately agreed it was the same coin, was very curious to see it in hand, and explained f the previous pictures were any indication, he wanted an example like that for part of his collection, wishing he had seen it before me. I'll let him share more on that if he wishes too.

I brought it to the ANA this summer and showed it around the club, and then discussed putting it back in a PCGS holder with with Steve Feltner at PCGS. Steve was wonderful ... and a few months later, here we are. I didn't realize it would arrive with a new TrueView, but I'm glad it did, especially considering I think this time they definitely did her justice.

Thanks for letting me share her with you!